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Title: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 20, 2020, 11:45:48 PM
CNN is reporting that Kim is "in grave danger" following cardiac surgery:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/kim-jong-un-north-korea/index.html

NBC News was reporting that he fell into a coma and is now brain dead ...

https://twitter.com/northindex/status/1252421259234693129

... then retracted the story:

https://twitter.com/Deven_Intel/status/1252423797858201602

... and Fox News reports that he is recovering:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-cardiovascular-procedure-north-korea

This is what happens when one relies on Twitter for news about the Hermit Kingdom.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: MillCreek on April 21, 2020, 12:09:02 AM
To paraphrase Mark Twain; while I don't wish Kim Jong Un ill, I would read his obituary with a great deal of satisfaction.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: dogmush on April 21, 2020, 01:30:35 AM
Who's next in line?  I didn't think he had a clear line os succession set up like his father did.

Would his death and/or incapacitation by his obvious looming heart disease and dibeetus lead to more or less turmoil vis a vis East Asian politics?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 21, 2020, 07:04:22 AM
Who's next in line? 

Dennis Rodman
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: dogmush on April 21, 2020, 08:27:41 AM
I did some more research.

Apparrantlly the likely successor is his younger sister.  Who is even more of a cartoon villan thaan he is.

Imagine the Baroness from GI Joe but meaner and less mentally stable.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on April 21, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
I did some more research.

Apparrantlly the likely successor is his younger sister.  Who is even more of a cartoon villan thaan he is.

Imagine the Baroness from GI Joe but meaner and less mentally stable.

I know little about her, but from what I have read, please get better Kim Jong Un. What a twitchy and unstable finger to be hovering over their big red button.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 21, 2020, 09:14:10 AM
I did some more research.

Apparrantlly the likely successor is his younger sister.  Who is even more of a cartoon villan thaan he is.

Imagine the Baroness from GI Joe but meaner and less mentally stable.

Yeah but the Baroness was hot, Kim's sister not so much.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 21, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
I did some more research.

Apparrantlly the likely successor is his younger sister.  Who is even more of a cartoon villan thaan he is.

Imagine the Baroness from GI Joe but meaner and less mentally stable.

Is that the one people were cooing over, because she "threw shade" at Pence at the Olympics, or "side-eyed" him, or whatever stupid internet phrase it was?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: charby on April 21, 2020, 10:10:56 AM
Who's next in line?  I didn't think he had a clear line os succession set up like his father did.

Would his death and/or incapacitation by his obvious looming heart disease and dibeetus lead to more or less turmoil vis a vis East Asian politics?

Probably Korean Police Action II
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 21, 2020, 10:15:44 AM
He's probably the only person in NK with an OVER weight problem
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 21, 2020, 10:17:05 AM
FWIW, The Guardian doesn't think l'il sister would be accepted as the supreme ruler, because sexism and chauvanism.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/kim-yo-jong-the-sister-of-kim-jong-un-fast-becoming-his-alter-ego
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: HankB on April 21, 2020, 10:32:33 AM
Little Kim's sister looks the type to have a coat made of dalmatian puppy skins . . .
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 21, 2020, 10:38:42 AM
Little Kim's sister looks the type to have a coat made of dalmatian puppy skins . . .

I was thinking more along the lines of what certain lampshades were supposedly made from.
I've seen that look in the eyes before
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: HankB on April 21, 2020, 05:18:53 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of what certain lampshades were supposedly made from.
I've seen that look in the eyes before
In the same vein, I vaguely remember reading a story about her and an ashtray . . .
Title: Kim Jong dead? ( merge thread? i didn't see the other )
Post by: gunsmith on April 25, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
   just heard this, it wouldn't surprise me - looking for confirmation
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/25/north-korea-dictator-kim-jong-un-dead-dies-heart-surgery-reports/
Title: Re: Kim Jong dead?
Post by: gunsmith on April 25, 2020, 02:59:23 PM
if its true, 2020 just got even more interesting.

 please speculate on what this means... war? refugees? a unified Korea?
Title: Re: Kim Jong dead?
Post by: WLJ on April 25, 2020, 03:05:33 PM
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=62175.0
Title: Re: Kim Jong dead?
Post by: gunsmith on April 25, 2020, 03:11:48 PM
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=62175.0

ooops
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Angel Eyes on April 25, 2020, 03:24:33 PM
The rumor mill kicks into overdrive:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256791/China-sends-medics-North-Korea-amid-claims-Japanese-media-Kim-Jong-vegetative-state.html?ITO=applenews

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New rumors are circulating claiming that Kim Jong Un has died -  including a top Hong Kong journalist.

Vice director of HKSTV Hong Kong Satellite Television Shijian Xingzou says that a 'very solid source' has told her Kim Jonh Un has died.

Separately, one Japanese media outlet claims that the North Korean dictator is in a 'vegetative state' after he underwent heart surgery.

China has dispatched a team to North Korea including medical experts to advise on North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, according to three people familiar with the situation.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 25, 2020, 03:27:24 PM
Kim Jong Un didn't kill himself


Too soon?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on April 25, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
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Shukan Gendai subsequently detailed how the surgeon in charge of Kim’s operation was not used to dealing with obese patients and was too nervous during the operation, leading to delays that left Kim in a “vegetative state.”

Well, yeah, since if you fail, you're shot by an anti-aircraft gun. Totalitarian chickens coming home to roost.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-vegetative-state-china-experts-north-korea

Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: lee n. field on April 25, 2020, 04:45:54 PM
North Korea Reports Kim Jong Un Is 'Most Alive Person In Universe' (https://babylonbee.com/news/north-korea-reports-kim-jong-un-is-most-alive-person-in-universe)
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Jim147 on April 25, 2020, 04:46:46 PM
Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: French G. on April 25, 2020, 08:54:35 PM
I do pray for the innocents of North Korea. No matter what happens, they are screwed. At some point we are going to have to be part of the biggest humanitarian response ever. If lil sis gets installed the body count will be impressive as she proves she is in charge.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on April 25, 2020, 10:07:53 PM
If lil sis gets installed the body count will be impressive as she proves she is in charge.

Our lefties are already thrilled to death that she might be in charge.

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    Still processing the possibility that North Korea will have its first woman leader before the United States

    — Seth Abramson (@🏠) (@SethAbramson) April 25, 2020

    I hope she sees this, bro.

    — G (@stevensongs) April 26, 2020

    North Korea is going to have a Woman leader before the United States of America! Let that sink in!

    — Tom D'Angora (@TomDangora) April 25, 2020

    Hillary's number one supporter and proud of it! https://t.co/m8euHU1AIH

    — Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) April 26, 2020

    Kim Jong-un’s sister, Kim Yo-jong, is about to become one of the the most Googled people on the planet. She also looks like she's going to completely own Trump in every possible negotiation scenario. . . pic.twitter.com/B8yWviZ0y5

    — ᴀʀᴛ ᴛᴀᴠᴀɴᴀ (@arttavana) April 26, 2020

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/25/blue-checks-ponder-that-north-korea-might-have-a-female-leader-before-the-united-states-does/
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: K Frame on April 25, 2020, 10:23:10 PM
So...

Schrodinger's Dictator...
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 25, 2020, 11:23:49 PM
Our lefties are already thrilled to death that she might be in charge.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/25/blue-checks-ponder-that-north-korea-might-have-a-female-leader-before-the-united-states-does/

She could be another Hillary Clinton!  
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: HankB on April 26, 2020, 07:56:02 AM
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Still processing the possibility that North Korea will have its first woman leader before the United States

    — Seth Abramson (@🏠) (@SethAbramson) April 25, 2020

    North Korea is going to have a Woman leader before the United States of America! Let that sink in!

    — Tom D'Angora (@TomDangora) April 25, 2020

If diversity demands that the USA strive to get a leader that resembles the leader of a repressive dictatorship, why not go all the way and point out that Uganda had it's first admitted cannibal leader (Idi Amin) before the USA?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Fly320s on April 26, 2020, 08:49:39 AM
At some point we are going to have to be part of the biggest humanitarian response ever.

What do yo mean "we," kemosabe?

Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 26, 2020, 09:27:32 AM
All these people celebrating NK (maybe) getting a woman in charge are welcome to move there and enjoy NK's version of paradise.

You think these same people would be this ecstatic if Obama was still pres? I think not.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 26, 2020, 11:29:41 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/FB_IMG_1587912739841.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: lee n. field on April 26, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
(https://i.redd.it/dawxv49cp3v41.jpg)
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: French G. on April 26, 2020, 12:52:56 PM
What do yo mean "we," kemosabe?



We have been part of the korean conflict for over 60 years. Don't think we leave when the entire population suddenly needs food and medical care. I mean we could pull a Libya, look how well that has worked. Despite being a UN conflict not really expecting the UN to take the lead either. Hopefully feed people and steer things towards normalcy until South Korea can take care of them. Or, just ignore the problem and let China take care of the norks. I'm sure they don't want to expand their sphere of influence, but gee, if they really have to...
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2020, 05:25:45 PM
Our lefties are already thrilled to death that she might be in charge.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/25/blue-checks-ponder-that-north-korea-might-have-a-female-leader-before-the-united-states-does/

When all you know about politics or history is woke propaganda, so you're programmed to think a female head of state equals progress and "social justice"...
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 27, 2020, 07:42:11 AM
When all you know about politics or history is woke propaganda, so you're programmed to think a female head of state equals progress and "social justice"...

I was reading somewhere that she is potentially more unhinged than her brother.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: makattak on April 27, 2020, 08:05:09 AM
I have to say, I thought this 2020 show was pretty packed with the unexpected, but to kill off Kim Jong Un with no warning was an amazing twist. I wonder how the Writer will fit this into the Pandemic Panic.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: MechAg94 on April 27, 2020, 10:50:41 AM
I was reading somewhere that she is potentially more unhinged than her brother.

[tinfoil]
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: AJ Dual on April 27, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
[tinfoil]

Personally, I'm in wait-and-see mode.

Despite the SJW hand-wringing over it, it's a very real factor if NK will accept a woman as leader, or the internal power structure/struggle will. And even if they would, it's not clear if she has the pull to take the leadership position. If Kim is dead or comatose, her power base might be gone.

And as to if "she's even worse than he was" I'll wait and see. Those leaking that info or rumors might have an axe to grind. Considering NK's history, "worse" could mean a lot of things. A dragon lady who ruthlessly consolidates power internally could just as easily stabilize things. Since she was educated abroad, she has to be just as aware how behind NK is as even compared to China, much less South Korea.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: charby on April 27, 2020, 12:00:33 PM
If she is anything like we are lead to believe, I wouldn't be surprised if we have Korean War II.

Also maybe Russia or China will try to take the NK as their own if there is a vacuum of power, especially with the Covid-19 panic.

Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on April 27, 2020, 01:03:20 PM
If she is anything like we are lead to believe, I wouldn't be surprised if we have Korean War II.

Also maybe Russia or China will try to take the NK as their own if there is a vacuum of power, especially with the Covid-19 panic.



I had a thought about that this morning.  Would China or Russia actually *want* NK....  Given their abysmal lack of technology, lack of resources, lack of food for their citizens....  I don't know that they would actually *want* the country.  The only advantage I see is now sharing a border with South Korea, if they ever decide that they want to try to take the entire Korean peninsula.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: dogmush on April 27, 2020, 01:57:55 PM
From the sources I have read, she takes after her grandfather.

Kim Jong Un got the country and runs it pretty heavy handedly, but enjoys the good life.  He like nice things, he likes famous people coming to visit and stroking his ego, and he likes his country (and by extension himself) to have neat toys.

Everything I've read about his sister is that she's a True Believer communist, and ready to finish the revolution her grandfather started.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: BobR on April 27, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
I had a thought about that this morning.  Would China or Russia actually *want* NK....  Given their abysmal lack of technology, lack of resources, lack of food for their citizens....  I don't know that they would actually *want* the country.  The only advantage I see is now sharing a border with South Korea, if they ever decide that they want to try to take the entire Korean peninsula.

A few trillion in untapped natural resources may be enough of a reason for someone to think it may be worthwhile to move in.

https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-stockpile-minerals-worth-trillions-2017-6

bob
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2020, 02:34:45 PM
I had a thought about that this morning.  Would China or Russia actually *want* NK....  Given their abysmal lack of technology, lack of resources, lack of food for their citizens....  I don't know that they would actually *want* the country.  The only advantage I see is now sharing a border with South Korea, if they ever decide that they want to try to take the entire Korean peninsula.


Something we should always keep in mind is that Americans tend to think ten years out, and the Chinese tend to think 100 years out. I'm not denigrating us, it's just that  I think even the shortest Chinese dynasty ran three or four times as long as our country has been around. Simply a different mindset.

I don't know enough to take a guess about Russia - I have no idea how invested they are in North Korea anymore since the fall of the USSR.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Perhaps tin-foily, but curious:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/gordon-chang-reports-kim-jong-un-wounded-missile-test
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: MechAg94 on April 27, 2020, 02:55:15 PM

Something we should always keep in mind is that Americans tend to think ten years out, and the Chinese tend to think 100 years out. I'm not denigrating us, it's just that  I think even the shortest Chinese dynasty ran three or four times as long as our country has been around. Simply a different mindset.

I don't know enough to take a guess about Russia - I have no idea how invested they are in North Korea anymore since the fall of the USSR.
If you were around 1920, how effective do you think your planning would be for 2020?  

I hear stuff like that and I think it is mostly BS.  Yes, there is some long term strategic planning you can do, but that assumes you know what to do and it is very general.

I don't think they effectively plan even the 25 years out like they always said about Japan.  However, that doesn't excuse the very very short term thinking of US politicians which is 2 years ahead if that.  US Business probably would plan further out and do, but they are tied down by US tax policy which drives a greatly deal of their thinking.  
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
If you were around 1920, how effective do you think your planning would be for 2020?  

I hear stuff like that and I think it is mostly BS.  Yes, there is some long term strategic planning you can do, but that assumes you know what to do and it is very general.

I don't think they effectively plan even the 25 years out like they always said about Japan.  However, that doesn't excuse the very very short term thinking of US politicians which is 2 years ahead if that.  US Business probably would plan further out and do, but they are tied down by US tax policy which drives a greatly deal of their thinking.  

Well, "The Diplomat" would agree with you, but [tin foil on] it was founded by a Chinese person. They quote a couple of people as being wrong on Chinese long term strategy:

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According to former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, China’s authoritarian leaders are masters of long-range strategic planning informed by timeless principles derived from China’s rich history and culture. China expert Michael Pillsbury – reportedly an influential outside adviser to President Donald Trump – goes so far as to claim that China’s leadership follows a secret century-long plan for achieving global dominance by 2049.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/chinas-reputation-for-long-range-planning-is-wildly-exaggerated/

A few Google links with varying views:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=ALeKk02s5UiXJidWDh1hWhEy-DMXJ5Lh0w%3A1588015545564&ei=uTGnXrruIcrT-wSUwZKoDQ&q=chinese+vs+us+long+term+strategic+thinking&oq=chinese+vs+us+long+term+strategic+thinking&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECCMQJzoHCCMQsAIQJzoECCEQClDkkQJYgagCYICrAmgAcAB4AIABkQKIAcEQkgEFMC45LjOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj6rvbzqonpAhXK6Z4KHZSgBNUQ4dUDCAs&uact=5

Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 27, 2020, 04:00:07 PM
Perhaps tin-foily, but curious:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/gordon-chang-reports-kim-jong-un-wounded-missile-test

Missile test or botched coup?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: MechAg94 on April 27, 2020, 04:21:22 PM
Well, "The Diplomat" would agree with you, but [tin foil on] it was founded by a Chinese person. They quote a couple of people as being wrong on Chinese long term strategy:
https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/chinas-reputation-for-long-range-planning-is-wildly-exaggerated/

A few Google links with varying views:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=ALeKk02s5UiXJidWDh1hWhEy-DMXJ5Lh0w%3A1588015545564&ei=uTGnXrruIcrT-wSUwZKoDQ&q=chinese+vs+us+long+term+strategic+thinking&oq=chinese+vs+us+long+term+strategic+thinking&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECCMQJzoHCCMQsAIQJzoECCEQClDkkQJYgagCYICrAmgAcAB4AIABkQKIAcEQkgEFMC45LjOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj6rvbzqonpAhXK6Z4KHZSgBNUQ4dUDCAs&uact=5


I am not saying you can't do long range planning, but I get the impression some people think it can be done in detail like saying China was planning for a strategic showdown with the US in 1922 which is laughable.  IMO, it can be done, but it is just planning for the health and strength of your country than for any specific adversary or event. 

Drachinifel did a short video on what a nation would need in the early 1900's to build a dominant Navy.  A lot of it was in building the internal production and technical expertise to build stuff on your own versus buying it, along with developing the internal industrial infrastructure.  IMO, China has done an excellent job the last 30 years or more of taking advantage of US short term thinking and corruption to buy, steal, and develop technology and set themselves up as a major industrial producer. 

I think there are plenty of people in the US and the US Govt that are fully capable of that sort of planning, but political and economic realities make that difficult.  I figure our military looks at that all the time.  The business side could be better, but I think a lot of that is driven by tax law, labor law, and import/export regulations which is controlled by corrupt politicians.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: bedlamite on April 27, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7GAtVpJ.jpg)

To soon?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: French G. on April 27, 2020, 08:40:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7GAtVpJ.jpg)

To soon?

Perhaps too soon, that joke should ferment. Freaking hilarious!  =D :rofl:
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 27, 2020, 08:56:31 PM
Soylent Red
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 28, 2020, 07:47:12 AM
Anyone listen to Trump last night?  He was asked about Kim.  At first he said he couldn't answer but in standard Trump fashion he kept talking and kind of did.  Said things like "when he recovers".  It sounds like Kim is probably alive.  I'm more inclined to believe he's in a coma/vegetative state currently. 
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: makattak on April 28, 2020, 07:59:40 AM
Anyone listen to Trump last night?  He was asked about Kim.  At first he said he couldn't answer but in standard Trump fashion he kept talking and kind of did.  Said things like "when he recovers".  It sounds like Kim is probably alive.  I'm more inclined to believe he's in a coma/vegetative state currently. 

Honestly, the best thing that could probably happen is he wakes up in a VERY reduced capabilities state and spends the rest of his life as a figurehead.

The generals underneath him MIGHT not be as bloodthirsty and the country might benefit. From what I've been reading, if his sister succeeds him, it would be bad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyKQe_i9yyo&t=0m47s).
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
Lets see. He's either

A) Dead
B) Kimchi
C) Recovering from something
D) Super paranoid about C19 and is in hiding
E) Fighting some sort of power struggle. Who knows, maybe with his sister.
F) Shacked up with 50 hookers.
G) Discovered porn on the internet.
H) Just being a little *expletive deleted*it
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 28, 2020, 08:27:16 AM
Can't be D.  The NK Covid strategy is...final...
They only have 1 positive case at a time.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 28, 2020, 09:39:45 AM
Lets see. He's either

A) Dead
B) Kimchi
C) Recovering from something
D) Super paranoid about C19 and is in hiding
E) Fighting some sort of power struggle. Who knows, maybe with his sister.
F) Shacked up with 50 hookers.
G) Discovered porn on the internet.
H) Just being a little *expletive deleted*it


Of course, Dear Leader having C19 wouldn't conflict with him enjoying the company of 50 hookers sex trafficking victims patriotic companions.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: TechMan on April 28, 2020, 11:57:59 AM
Can't be D.  The NK Covid strategy is...final...
They only have 1 positive case at a time.

And they all recover with a bullet in their head.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on April 28, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
And they all recover with a bullet in their head.

CNN: Unlike Trump's America N.Korea has a 100% recovery rate.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 01, 2020, 09:35:09 AM
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/05/01/2003735604

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After lawmakers asked about Kim, [Taiwan National Security Bureau Director-General Chiu Kuo-cheng] said that the North Korean leader had fallen ill.

“So [Kim] has been sick, but he is still alive?” Tsai asked.

Chiu smiled and did not elaborate.

DPP Legislator Wang Ding-wu (王定宇) also asked about Kim’s condition.

“My answer is from the intelligence that is available and it is not an opinion,” Chiu said.

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) lawmakers asked Chiu to explain how the bureau had obtained the intelligence on North Korea.

Chiu said that there was a lot of speculation surrounding Kim’s condition, but he could not talk openly about it, as it could disclose the bureau’s sources in North Korea.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Fly320s on May 01, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
Maybe he went to fat camp.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on May 01, 2020, 10:17:50 AM
Maybe he went to fat camp.

Which would have failed, since he would have ordered some other people to lose weight for him.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on May 01, 2020, 10:21:46 AM
Which would have failed, since he would have ordered some other people to lose weight for him.

The AA* weight loss program


*Anti Aircraft not the other AA
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on May 01, 2020, 10:35:51 AM
Worth every penny you paid for it.
At this point until we get an official announcement who knows?

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A North Korean defector now serving as a lawmaker in the South claimed Friday that he is “99 percent” certain Kim Jong Un is dead.

Ji Seong-ho made the comment without citing his source, according to South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency. Rumors have swirled in recent weeks over Kim’s health after the dictator was last spotted in public April 11.

"I've wondered how long he could have endured after cardiovascular surgery. I've been informed that Kim died last weekend," Ji told Yonhap.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-99-percent-dead-lawmaker-says
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Kingcreek on May 01, 2020, 10:55:11 AM
Apparently he took a trumps medical advice and injected Lysol.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: MechAg94 on May 01, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
Apparently he took a trumps medical advice and injected Lysol.
He didn't swallow a UV light and choke?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on May 01, 2020, 03:07:39 PM
I think it's getting interesting now. It has been long enough that a healthy Kim should have made some appearance somewhere to refute a potential crisis in NK as well as the lies of the Western dogs.

There are still a big range of possibilities this could be, but "nothing was wrong with Kim" is no longer in that range, IMO.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Jim147 on May 01, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Social distancing from six feet under.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: RocketMan on May 01, 2020, 03:16:32 PM
He was out of sight for about six weeks a while back when he had an operation on his foot.  Cyst removal if I remember what I read correctly.  If in a couple more weeks we haven't heard anything from him, then we might really start to wonder.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 01, 2020, 11:40:58 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/02/kim-jong-un-reappears-in-north-korea-after-weeks-of-speculation-reports
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on May 02, 2020, 08:20:15 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/02/kim-jong-un-reappears-in-north-korea-after-weeks-of-speculation-reports

[tinfoil] It appears to be NK footage. I wonder if there is anything in the imagery the would allow us to verify the date?[/tinfoil]
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on May 02, 2020, 08:42:26 AM
Wouldn't be the first time they pulled out old footage, if that's what is going on here. They did the same thing with the first two Kims IIRC
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on May 02, 2020, 10:05:10 AM
Apparently he took a trumps medical advice and injected Lysol.

(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5ac3de042000007d06eb3c96.jpeg?cache=u4X0jpv7gA&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Ben on May 02, 2020, 10:14:13 AM
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5ac3de042000007d06eb3c96.jpeg?cache=u4X0jpv7gA&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on May 03, 2020, 08:28:07 AM
I don't know enough about the subject to make any sort of judgment on this.

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“It looks like a right radial artery puncture … [which is] often used for access to the coronary arteries for stent placement,” one U.S.-trained medical professional told NK News, adding it appeared to be “about a week old.”

“It is hard to tell from the foreshortening of the photograph, but it seems a bit medial. It is not an IV [intravenous], which wouldn’t leave such a mark.”

A South Korea surgeon also told NK News that the mark on Kim’s arm “looks more plausible to be a procedure or check-up mark from a procedure on a heart-related issue.”

Kim Jong Un may have had heart surgery, based on fresh mark on wrist, experts say
https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-heart-surgery-marks-wrist
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: BobR on May 03, 2020, 10:13:53 AM
I don't know enough about the subject to make any sort of judgment on this.

Kim Jong Un may have had heart surgery, based on fresh mark on wrist, experts say
https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-heart-surgery-marks-wrist

If that is a radial puncture it is pretty far up his forearm. When I had a radial puncture a few years ago the puncture was much closer to my hand than where his appears to be.

bob

Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2020, 10:31:18 AM
This says it was D

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Kim Jong Un disappeared from public view over the past few weeks because of concerns about the coronavirus – not for any heart-related surgery – South Korea’s intelligence agency is claiming.

The disclosure comes after members of South Korea’s parliament were briefed by the country’s National Intelligence Service on Wednesday, according to Reuters. Kim made his first public appearance in nearly three weeks last Friday at a fertilizer factory near the North Korean capital of Pyongyang.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/south-korea-suggests-reason-for-kim-jong-un-disappearance
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on August 23, 2020, 11:30:15 PM
Here we go again

Kim Jong Un in coma, sister set to take control, South Korean ex-diplomat alleges
https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-coma-sister-take-control-south-korean-official-alleges
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: MechAg94 on August 24, 2020, 12:26:15 AM
So he was last seen touring a fertilizer factory?  Was he made part of the product?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 24, 2020, 12:47:48 AM
Or he's already dead.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/kim-jong-un-could-already-22565578
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: just Warren on August 24, 2020, 12:48:26 AM
What North Korea certainly needs is a strong manure.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: bedlamite on August 24, 2020, 05:08:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdf5EXo6I68&feature=youtu.be&t=54
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Brad Johnson on August 24, 2020, 05:20:19 PM
That's all we need ... his bugnuts crazy sister in charge.

Brad
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: just Warren on August 24, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
I'm going to assume that the NORK cadre of generals and other high-up government types are some of the least-woke people on the planet and are thus sexist beyond anything we might see in the west.

So they might well resent having to take orders from a woman and might dispose of her quickly.

If they do depends on what she has over them. Maybe it's enough to keep her in power, but then, maybe not.

And if she goes and another Kim doesn't step up we could see a civil war break out amongts the crime families that make up the Nork government.

And won't that be fun?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 24, 2020, 05:48:01 PM
I'm going to assume that the NORK cadre of generals and other high-up government types are some of the least-woke people on the planet and are thus sexist beyond anything we might see in the west.

So they might well resent having to take orders from a woman and might dispose of her quickly.

If they do depends on what she has over them. Maybe it's enough to keep her in power, but then, maybe not.

And if she goes and another Kim doesn't step up we could see a civil war break out amongts the crime families that make up the Nork government.

And won't that be fun?


Do you think her gender is going to make a difference to them? It's not as if they were loyal to KJU because of his excessive manliness or martial arts skill.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: just Warren on August 24, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
I'm saying it could be a factor. Maybe even the tie-breaker that determines whether they move on her or not.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 24, 2020, 06:40:43 PM
It's going to be interesting. A few months ago, during the previous period of speculation that rocket boy might be dead, a number of sources were offering up their opinions that North Korea is simply not prepared to accept a female as their leader. If rocket boy has died, and if he actually named his little sister as his successor, it could be interesting.

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: RocketMan on August 24, 2020, 06:45:09 PM
Just now confirmed:  Kim Jong Un's actual condition is unknown.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: RocketMan on August 26, 2020, 10:20:12 AM
And he's back.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53915606? (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53915606?)
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: Pb on August 26, 2020, 10:22:50 AM
Rats! 
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: K Frame on August 26, 2020, 10:24:28 AM
Are we sure that Jeff Dunham isn't doing an encore show from Pyongyang?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2020, 10:28:52 AM
And he's back.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53915606? (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53915606?)

Has he put on even more weight?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: K Frame on August 26, 2020, 10:40:39 AM
Has he put on even more weight?

If he has he's the only one in North Korea who can...
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2020, 10:42:23 AM
If he has he's the only one in North Korea who can...

Well now we know where all the dogs went
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2020, 10:49:09 AM
Rats! 

It's what's for dinner.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: MillCreek on August 26, 2020, 12:27:43 PM
This is a ruff crowd.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: RocketMan on August 26, 2020, 12:30:12 PM
APS - Where bad puns are a way of life.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 26, 2020, 12:33:49 PM
National Dog Day has a very different focus in North Korea than it does in the US.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2020, 03:07:49 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/46008159/are-you-gonna-eat-that-dog.jpg)
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on June 04, 2023, 10:53:59 AM
Has he put on even more weight?

If he has he's the only one in North Korea who can...

Reportedly now over 300lbs

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The intelligence service also noted that an artificial intelligence-assisted analysis of the leader's weight puts Kim at 140 kilograms, or about 308 pounds.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-packs-on-pounds-battles-insomnia-heavy-drinking-smoking-report

Saw some photos a few days ago after the N.Korean (failed) satellite launch with him supposedly at launch control and was thinking D! he's gotten big.
He's is officially reported to by 5'7" but based on photos many place him closer to 5'5. 300+lbs on a 5.5" frame makes him a fat boy.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: HeroHog on June 04, 2023, 10:21:50 PM
I'm 6'1" @ 301lbs and I'm WAY too fat by 80 lbs or so!
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: HankB on June 04, 2023, 10:51:19 PM
I'm 6'1" @ 301lbs and I'm WAY too fat by 80 lbs or so!
Don't think of it as being overweight, you're just undertall. (I won't say by how much.  :angel:  )
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on June 05, 2023, 06:31:45 AM
I'm 6'1" @ 301lbs and I'm WAY too fat by 80 lbs or so!

Yeah but in America you fit right in.
In NK not so much.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 10:32:17 AM
What the heck?

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North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un cried as he called on women to have more children, saying that it was their duty to halt the country's declining birth rate in order to strengthen national power, state media said.

In his seemingly highly-choreographed emotional plea, the authoritarian leader was seen dabbing his eyes with a handkerchief while addressing thousands of women gathered at a National Mothers Meeting in Pyongyang on Sunday.

Many in the audience openly wept along with their leader at the event, the first of its kind held in 11 years and put on amid a fall in the isolationist state's birth rate.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has said it is a duty of women to halt a fall in the country's birth rate in order to strengthen national power, state media said on Monday, as his government steps up the call for the people to have more children.

"Many in the audience openly wept along with their leader"
Amazing what not wanting to be shot can do.

 Kim Jong Un CRIES as he calls on North Korean women to have more children
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12827791/Kim-Jong-CRIES-calls-North-Korean-women-children.html
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: HankB on December 05, 2023, 11:15:39 AM
What the heck?

"Many in the audience openly wept along with their leader"
Amazing not wanting to be shot can do.

 Kim Jong Un CRIES as he calls on North Korean women to have more children
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12827791/Kim-Jong-CRIES-calls-North-Korean-women-children.html
Have more kids, because too many of the ones you already have are dying of starvation.    :facepalm:
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 11:25:13 AM
Have more kids, because too many of the ones you already have are dying of starvation.    :facepalm:

He ate it all!
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: HankB on December 05, 2023, 11:27:10 AM
He ate it all!
Viewed that way, I guess KJU made a modest proposal.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 11:40:20 AM
Or maybe he's gotten tired of caviar  :O
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un is gravely ill ... or he's brain dead ... or he's just fine
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2023, 11:30:25 AM
Have more kids, because too many of the ones you already have are dying of starvation.    :facepalm:

Not to mention that female fertility is GREATLY enhanced when the potential mother is herself starving.