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On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« on: March 10, 2023, 09:50:03 PM »
On struts, wires, braces, canvas. and the open cockpit.

Assembly , startup, great flight, landing, and shutdown of a 19 and 12 flying machine.  Just for grins.

https://youtu.be/35GPE09bU9c (10:48)

A little over my personal 10-minute time limit rule for videos, but rules are made to be broken.

And the music ain't bad.

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All the struts and wires and cables and whatnot, from the Wiki article:


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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2023, 02:48:32 PM »
He was lucky to keep it in the air, I bet the drag from his hood on the sweatshirt filling with air cost him a few knots. ;)

Have a dream, live the dream must be this guys unspoken motto.

The folding wings were a nice touch, kept him from having to build a new shed. ;)

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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2023, 04:09:47 PM »
I figure the folding wings must be responsible for maybe an extra 30% of all those struts and wires and braces.
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2023, 06:38:30 PM »
Brave man and great job! Not going to set any speed records though.
I would almost bet a 10 or, maybe even less HP Briggs & Stratton would be WAY lighter and out perform that OLD lump of cast iron.
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2023, 09:30:32 AM »
Brave man and great job! Not going to set any speed records though.
I would almost bet a 10 or, maybe even less HP Briggs & Stratton would be WAY lighter and out perform that OLD lump of cast iron.
Funny thing - even though I'm not a pilot, I was thinking a reproduction of an old plane could be fun, if it had a more modern engine. With a power curve and weight appropriate to the design and structure of the aircraft, of course.

Of course, I'd probably choose something just a couple of years more "modern" like a Fokker D-7, but that's easy to say since it's not going to happen.

By the way, did you notice that after manually spinning the prop, the guy was still on the ground alongside the plane, pretty close to the spinning prop? I don't think I'd want to be standing that close, but that's the way of those old birds.
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2023, 12:38:24 PM »
I noticed the proximity to the prop too, but figured it must be an effect of the camera angle or something.  Somewhere I saw a vid where another guy was holding the back of the actual prop spinner to keep  him away when the engine started. Not sure why that was necessary for that startup.

https://youtu.be/-kjRL-Q-KBc

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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2023, 05:15:37 PM »
Not sure what happened to my original reply, done right after you posted this.  It disappeared apparently.  To repeat, I mentioned that this was a neat video, Terry.  The music was good like you stated, as well.  Thanks for posting this.
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2023, 05:29:15 PM »
that's one of my bucket list items that will probably never be realized , cool video
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2023, 02:57:32 AM »
Not sure what happened to my original reply, done right after you posted this.  It disappeared apparently.  To repeat, I mentioned that this was a neat video, Terry.  The music was good like you stated, as well.  Thanks for posting this.

Something went wonky while I was posting and I had to re-post since my original disappeared.  Don't know how that might have affected your post. ???

I'm still wondering why I have three "connections" showing at my URL in the lower right hand corner of my posts. I still didn't get an answer to that question.  Maybe I'm just paranoid, but the only device I use to get on APS is my laptop,  I do use three different browsers, though, and I'm still running Win7, so maybe the three "branches" off that URL are legit.

And I'm still having line wrap problems on APS on the Brave browser oo have to scroll horizontally to see the whole line.

Off topic, but since you mentioned a problem....
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2023, 10:18:29 AM »
Great vidoe.  Cool plane.
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2023, 01:56:13 PM »
Great video Terry.
The man had to turn down the throttle after starting the engine as the plane started to roll.  Yeah, he was that close.  See how he turned his body to get behind the blades and throttle down?
Another point of interest - NO AILERONS !!  That plane used the "wing-warping" techniques pioneered by the Wrights.
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Re: On struts, wires, braces, canvas, and the open cockpit
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2023, 09:53:18 PM »
I don't know when flaps and elevators came about, but I've always been amazed that the Wrights themselves didn't use them right from the start.

They applied so much genius to their work and had their own wind tunnel, so I can't imagine why they didn't think of (or use) simple hinged airfoil surfaces to accomplish roll and rudder capabilities instead of bending / twisting  / "warping" the whole airfoil.

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Museum-built replica of the original Wright engine... mostly lip flapping to about 3:55, where they actually run the engine instead of their mouths.

https://youtu.be/FJB2GMVhK6Q

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