Post by: grislyatoms on March 25, 2007, 11:38:08 AM
I pushed it back to a parking space, called a cab and went home. Got another cab this morning out to the airport to pick up a rental (the agent on the phone said all they had were intermediate cars). Got to the counter, and the sweet attendant asked me if I would like an F-150, no extra charge. COOL!
I am in love. It's a 2007 4 door 4WD. Daddy like! Daddy can't afford, but Daddy still like, very much!
Anyway, "the beast" is getting towed down the street for repair. It's got one of those dumb-ass concentric slave cylinders that's INSIDE the frickin' bell housing, for pete's sake.
I don't have a tranny jack, and pretty much only have basic hand tools. I'm gonna let the pros handle this one, and I am going to have them replace the hydraulics too, so I won't have to worry about it. $800 or so, at this point. Damnit.
Did I mention how much I like the 2007? I REALLY like it!
Now back to your regularly scheduled banter.
Post by: Monkeyleg on March 25, 2007, 12:57:25 PM
Post by: Tallpine on March 25, 2007, 01:04:10 PM
The slave cylinder is inside the bell housing? Nice engineering.
yep, it's a "donut" that fits around the input shaft like a throwout bearing
My daughter has an '89 F150 and it is broke down more than it runs. First and last ford that I'll ever buy
Post by: grislyatoms on March 25, 2007, 01:11:10 PM
The slave cylinder is inside the bell housing? Nice engineering.
When I saw the diagram in my cruddy Haynes manual, I thought "What bonehead designed this junk?" Then I crawled under the pickup to check for sure. Yep. Just like in the diagram. Idiots.
Post by: grislyatoms on March 25, 2007, 01:14:12 PM
The slave cylinder is inside the bell housing? Nice engineering.
yep, it's a "donut" that fits around the input shaft like a throwout bearing
My daughter has an '89 F150 and it is broke down more than it runs. First and last ford that I'll ever buy
Mine has been problem free up until now, other than an alternator, battery, and some exhaust work. I flipped through my Haynes guide and thought, "No, I'll let the pros take care of this."
I had a '77 F100 that I changed the clutch in, no problem. I am not about to touch this one.
Post by: Monkeyleg on March 25, 2007, 01:16:12 PM
Post by: 280plus on March 25, 2007, 01:34:33 PM
Post by: Gewehr98 on March 25, 2007, 01:35:18 PM
Give me the good old days when the clutch slave cylinder was outside the bell housing, and actuated the throwout bearing via a connecting rod.
Post by: grislyatoms on March 25, 2007, 01:37:22 PM
Post by: Art Eatman on March 25, 2007, 01:39:27 PM
Art
Post by: 280plus on March 25, 2007, 01:44:45 PM
Post by: DJJ on March 25, 2007, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: mfree on March 25, 2007, 05:53:32 PM
Anyhoo, only two things stick in my craw about the design on the 2.2l engine. One, the starter's a beast to access, being behind the engine tucked down on top of the K-member. Two, the water pump has something like 15 bolts.
That's about it. its' the first car I've ever seen where you can drop the oil pan and change the rod and main bearings from under the car. I worked on another one, this one an auto... first car I've ever worked on where you didn't have to get under it to change the transmission... it comes out the "side", kinda rocks down and forward and such. You can also change the head gasket in about 15 minutes if there aren't any complications... just undo the bolts and the cam pulley (leave the belt on and secure), lift the head off the block about 1/2" and slide the old one out... slide the new one in, bolts in and torqued, reattach the pulley.... golden. Just crank it a few times with the plugs out to clear the cylinders enough to fire without breaking anything.
I'm going to stick with it, frankly. Even though I think the clutch is going south (doesn't slip, just REAL high on the pedal) and I'm no reasonably certain the fuel pump is failing (hey, 125000 miles, 15 years, and several runs bounding through fields at 45mph can cause anything...)
Most of your guy's accessability and design issues with the smaller cars come from adapting longitudinal mount engines to transverse work and vice versa. Wierd things happen when you take a block package that's designed to sit on two side mounts and try and make it fit hung from what used to be the front top and the transmission.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on March 25, 2007, 05:57:05 PM
The slave cylinder is inside the bell housing? Nice engineering.
Yeah, I have a Ranger, same deal. While your in there, ya might as well replace the clutch too.
Post by: Thor on March 25, 2007, 06:25:23 PM
... Got to the counter, and the sweet attendant asked me if I would like an F-150, no extra charge. COOL!
I am in love. It's a 2007 4 door 4WD. Daddy like! Daddy can't afford, but Daddy still like, very much!
Did I mention how much I like the 2007? I REALLY like it!
I am in love. It's a 2007 4 door 4WD. Daddy like! Daddy can't afford, but Daddy still like, very much!
Did I mention how much I like the 2007? I REALLY like it!
Careful. I was in San Diego in 04 for a Judo tournament. I wound up renting an 04 F150 four door. Nothing too fancy, but a year and a half later, I wound up buying an 05 F150 King Ranch........
(I liked my rental a little TOO much I guess)
Post by: Monkeyleg on March 25, 2007, 06:36:26 PM
The only hard part was adjusting the suspension via the torque bars. It took both a friend and I to get those bars to move.
Post by: 280plus on March 26, 2007, 01:06:51 AM
Post by: wmenorr67 on March 26, 2007, 03:19:25 AM
Post by: 280plus on March 26, 2007, 05:29:39 AM
Post by: mfree on March 26, 2007, 05:34:21 AM
280plus, didn't know you were a German national...
Post by: K Frame on March 26, 2007, 05:45:09 AM
SNORT!
Post by: Art Eatman on March 26, 2007, 05:55:19 AM
SU carburetors are easy. If you know how. If you have a UniSyn.
, Art
Post by: 280plus on March 26, 2007, 06:06:38 AM
Post by: charby on March 26, 2007, 06:08:10 AM
Didn't have to split the U joints, just unbolted 4 bolts in the tail shaft of the tranmission, supported the back of the engine with a block of wood, six bolts on the bell housing and two in the rear, tranny was so light I could hold it up by and lower it by hand on to my chest and slide out on a creeper.
-C
Post by: French G. on March 26, 2007, 07:52:24 AM
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The easiest car I've ever had to work on was my Jaguar XKE. Just pop the bonnet, sit on one of the front wheels, and almost everything was very accessible.
It better be easy to work on since it will be worked on frequently. The most I know about Jags is my dad is the not so proud owner of a free XJ-6 because the guy he was fixing it for got told by the wife that either she or the car was going to go.
Of course a proper bonnet is made of alu-men-ium.
Post by: Monkeyleg on March 26, 2007, 12:06:25 PM
Tore the engine completely apart and replaced almost everything. So, yes, I did adjust the valves. I had triple SU's on it, but didn't find them that difficult to tune. The Unisyn helped.
One of the most difficult parts of working on a British car is interpreting the language. Bonnet, boot, spanner, tyre...there were some terms in the manual I still don't understand.
Post by: Brad Johnson on March 26, 2007, 12:58:34 PM
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I had triple SU's on it, but didn't find them that difficult to tune.
See kids, that's what happens when you smoke crack. It messes with your memory.
Brad
Post by: Monkeyleg on March 26, 2007, 01:21:58 PM
Post by: Phyphor on March 26, 2007, 06:40:31 PM
The slave cylinder is inside the bell housing? Nice engineering.
No *expletive deleted*it.... Seriously, WTF?
On my dad's Nissan pickup, it was bolted to the outside, with the piston applying to a very obvious ARM coming from outside the bell. Oh so simple to change.WTF is wrong with those engineers?
Post by: grislyatoms on March 30, 2007, 09:29:59 AM
Some dork took a torch to the transfer case drain plug (to loosen it apparently) and MELTED the transfer case (it's aluminum) around the drain plug. Had a hole drilled and tapped so the goo can be be changed.
The shifter at the tranny was supported with a couple pieces of plastic tubing instead of the normal configuration. Pinion seal in the rear end was leaking. Had a hole drilled and tapped into the front diff so it can be lubed properly. New u-joints (they weren't too bad but what the hell). New starter (it was going bad, the bendix sometimes wouldn't come out). New fan clutch. New clutch, master cylinder, slave cylinder and hydraulic lines. Turned the flywheel around so that it had some good teeth and resurfaced it. There was some other stuff too that I am not remembering right now.
If I don't get another good 100K out of it I am going to go off my rocker.
Post by: charby on March 30, 2007, 09:57:51 AM
Post by: grislyatoms on March 30, 2007, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: Phyphor on April 01, 2007, 11:42:01 AM
Post by: Monkeyleg on April 01, 2007, 06:04:51 PM
The last boss I had back in the mid-1980's got some tar or other goop on the left front fender of his rather expensive car. He tried to use a Brillo pad to get it off.
Obenient servant that I was, I buffed out the area on company time.
Likeable guy, but a real nitwit when it came to cars.
Post by: Phyphor on April 01, 2007, 06:40:16 PM
I look at the trans, and notice that that handy arm thing is actually the actuator for the throwout bearing...and since it wasn't slid into the pressure plate assy, it popped the clip off and sent the whole damned thing flying.
Never did get the $%$@ing thing back together right.
No big loss, tho.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on April 01, 2007, 07:48:56 PM
The slave cylinder is inside the bell housing? Nice engineering.
Yes, that happened to my 2002 F-150. Amazingly, it wasn't under my oh-so-expensive warranty.
Post by: 280plus on April 02, 2007, 12:54:43 AM
Post by: mfree on April 02, 2007, 04:21:36 AM
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Well, I've had my own moments. Namely, on a Chevy Spectrum.
Impossible. Those were made by our exalted, Sainted Toyota.
Post by: grislyatoms on April 02, 2007, 08:06:27 AM
Yup, back out comes the tranny and back to square one we go...
That was my biggest fear on this one, that I would get it all back together and then have to strip it all down again.
It was worth it on this one to let someone else worry about it.
Post by: Tallpine on April 02, 2007, 08:14:30 AM
Yup, back out comes the tranny and back to square one we go...
That was my biggest fear on this one, that I would get it all back together and then have to strip it all down again.
Post by: 280plus on April 02, 2007, 08:32:52 AM
Whoops!
Post by: Gewehr98 on April 02, 2007, 09:53:08 AM
Post by: Phyphor on April 02, 2007, 06:09:18 PM
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Well, I've had my own moments. Namely, on a Chevy Spectrum.
Impossible. Those were made by our exalted, Sainted Toyota.
No way. It's a renamed Isuzu Gemeni.
All they did was just slap a Chevy badge on it and import it over here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Gemini
Post by: mfree on April 03, 2007, 04:11:01 AM
Not often I screw up about car stuff, but I'll admit it when I do...
Post by: Phyphor on April 03, 2007, 03:09:33 PM
WHOOPS. I was thinking about the Nova
Not often I screw up about car stuff, but I'll admit it when I do...
Not often I screw up about car stuff, but I'll admit it when I do...
No worries, the gahdamned thing threw me when my cousin's hubby found a clutch for it in the junkyard (clutch for a Chevy.... in an Isuzu that looked and worked the exact same.)
And lemme tell you friend, getting that frelling trans out of that bastard wasn't a game, wasn't work, it was a frelling *ADVENTURE*