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Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« on: May 03, 2013, 06:13:40 PM »
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/internet-radio-host-organizing-loaded-rifle-march-washington

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According to Salon, Kokesh is trying to get 1,000 people to march from the Virginia side of the Potomac River into DC while openly carrying loaded rifles. The march would take place on July 4th, 2013. The protestors may not face problems in Virginia where gun carrying laws are less stringent, but they would likely run into problems in DC, where carrying guns openly is illegal.

Probably with those evil 30rd magazines too.

Meet in VA where such things are not illegal, congregate, march across into DC.

In the spirit of Jonathan Parker, to not fire first and to peaceably turn around and return home if blocked from the planned route.

Interesting.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 07:01:28 PM »
not wise
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 07:07:14 PM »
Are ya going AZ?

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 07:10:08 PM »
Are ya going AZ?



Nah, I'll be back on the west coast again by the time Independence Day comes around.  Somewhere between Seattle and AZ, not sure exactly where.  The hope is to be back home by July 1, but maybe as late as July 7th or so.  Got a buddy in CA that I'm meeting up with to head east again in late June, go camp in Yellowstone on motorcycles.  Then south from there.

No way I'm crossing the plains a 3rd time this year on a bike.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 07:16:18 PM »
well for any that try it i think they should be glad dc has night court now

and i suspect he can't get many folks to join him.  we'll see if he will go in a small group or bails out
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 07:17:06 PM »
well for any that try it i think they should be glad dc has night court now

and i suspect he can't get many folks to join him.  we'll see if he will go in a small group or bails out

Says right in the article he will only do it if 1000 people actually show up at the rally point to proceed.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 07:23:33 PM »
Says right in the article he will only do it if 1000 people actually show up at the rally point to proceed.

safety in numbers?

a principle should be a principle

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 07:26:37 PM »
This is obviously a publicity stunt with a message. A message of defiance.

But I am left wondering, defiance against what? For not passing the BC/national registry bill?

I think there is a time when this tactic is useful. But not sure if this is the right time, not on the eve of victory at the federal level. I think this would make a lot more sense in NYC.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 07:35:31 PM »
safety in numbers?

a principle should be a principle


Principle doesn't feed your family, or keep you from getting curb stomped by the police.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2013, 07:38:33 PM »
publicity stunt/gesture

those can keep the checks coming
or the bitcoin
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2013, 07:45:42 PM »
One also has to believe that the system is still subject to peaceful change.   =(
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 04:45:55 PM »
What a tool. There is a time an a place for an armed march on DC, but it's not yet and I assume that it will announce itself rather than be a facebook thing. Hell of a lot more than 1,000 then I hope. This thing is just asking for someone to fire a shot whether a loon, or a planted loon, so we can have continuous news feed of the crazy white militia that is attacking the government.

Lexington and Concord, the authorities were in trespass, not the other way around. Has to happen like that.

Furthermore, how many will get clipped by the VA state and Arlington police for violation of VA's assault weapons code? For VA's large urban areas it does not restrict possession, but manner of loaded carry. Big take-away is more than 20rd mag=nyet. Absurd, but on the books. The phrase that pays is "equipped with at the time of offense." What does that mean? No takers for the test case if that means only in the gun, or is a spare large magazine sufficient to be "equipped."
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 05:12:11 PM »
Says right in the article he will only do it if 1000 people actually show up at the rally point to proceed.

Sounds like an excuse to wimp out.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2013, 10:57:15 PM »
The Bonus Army had way more than 1000 people.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 09:33:32 AM »
The Bonus Army had way more than 1000 people.

And look how that turned out ...

Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them  ???
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2013, 09:52:02 AM »
And look how that turned out ...

Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them  ???
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2013, 10:04:27 AM »
 It'll be law enforcement with tanks this time.

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 10:37:09 AM »
It'll be law enforcement with tanks this time.

That is a sad reality.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2013, 12:39:36 PM »
And look how that turned out ...

Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them  ???

Along with Eisenhower.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2013, 12:50:00 PM »
And look how that turned out ...

Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them  ???

massacred?
  how many is a massacre?
  is there some alternate history taught in the usa?
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2013, 12:56:48 PM »
massacred?
  how many is a massacre?
  is there some alternate history taught in the usa?

The Bonus Army was the popular name of an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932 to demand early cash-payment redemption of their service certificates. Its organizers called it the Bonus Expeditionary Force to echo the name of World War I's American Expeditionary Force, while the media called it the Bonus March. It was led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant.

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On July 28, (1932) U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. Veterans were also shot dead at other locations during the demonstration. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the army to clear the veterans' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2013, 12:57:25 PM »
massacred?
  how many is a massacre?
  is there some alternate history taught in the usa?

Boston only took 5 with 6 injured.

Bonus Army was 4 dead, 1000+ injured.

Surely you're not a Tory sympathizer?

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2013, 01:00:41 PM »
massacred?
  how many is a massacre?
  is there some alternate history taught in the usa?

More than one ?

 :P

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2013, 01:06:51 PM »
Kent State Massacre had 4 dead and 9 wounded.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2013, 01:10:12 PM »
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/massacre

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