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We're sorry
« on: March 09, 2023, 07:04:55 PM »
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A note from their bosses, written in Spanish, was left with the henchmen apologizing for the killings and claiming they were happy to hand over those responsible.

They claimed the assassins - who were part of the notorious Scorpions splinter group - operated outside of 'cartel rules' and 'condemn' the attack, adding 'the CDG has always respected the life and integrity of the innocent'.

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'The Gulf Cartel's Scorpions Group strongly condemns the events of last Friday, March 3 where unfortunately an 'innocent' working mother died and 4 American citizens were 'kidnapped' of which 2 died,' the Spanish-written message read.

Five Gulf Cartel assassins who kidnapped The Tummy Tuck Four - killing two - are tied up and dumped in the street with a note from cartel bosses APOLOGIZING to the four South Carolina families
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11840535/Mexican-cartel-turns-five-members-kidnapped-four-Americans.html
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2023, 10:23:49 AM »
Well now, are the drug cartels worried about retribution after all these years of killing Americans with their illegal trade in drugs, human trafficking, murdering,  etc., etc,. etc.....?

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2023, 01:14:47 PM »
Well now, are the drug cartels worried about retribution after all these years of killing Americans with their illegal trade in drugs, human trafficking, murdering,  etc., etc,. etc.....?

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Sen. Lindsey Graham is demanding Mexico get the cartels under control or else we will designate them as terrorist organizations.  He's even threatening military action against the cartels if Mexico cannot bring them to heel.
Legislation has been filed in the Senate to facilitate designating the cartels as terrorist orgs.  I wonder how many folks will vote against the legislation in both houses of Congress?  It might give us an idea about how many of our congresscritters are on the cartel payrolls.. 
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2023, 01:16:32 PM »
Sen. Lindsey Graham is demanding Mexico get the cartels under control or else we will designate them as terrorist organizations.  He's even threatening military action against the cartels if Mexico cannot bring them to heel.
Legislation has been filed in the Senate to facilitate designating the cartels as terrorist orgs.  I wonder how many folks will vote against the legislation in both houses of Congress?  It might give us an idea about how many of our congresscritters are on the cartel payrolls..

We should also list Mexico as a state sponsor of terrorism.
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2023, 01:55:06 PM »
I mean, I guess Mexico is a better war than Russia or China, but their logistics would be a lot easier than our recent enemies and wars have been.  Might see some no bullshit strikes on US territory.

Do we round up Mexicans like we did the Japanese?  FEMA camps, or what?

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2023, 02:44:01 PM »
Do we round up Mexicans like we did the Japanese?  FEMA camps, or what?

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2023, 02:45:49 PM »
We should also list Mexico as a state sponsor of terrorism.

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2023, 04:46:26 PM »
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2023, 04:50:02 PM »
I'm in favor of any reason to keep the A-10 in service.  [ar15]

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2023, 04:53:03 PM »
I mean, I guess Mexico is a better war than Russia or China, but their logistics would be a lot easier than our recent enemies and wars have been.  Might see some no bullshit strikes on US territory.

Do we round up Mexicans like we did the Japanese?  FEMA camps, or what?

I doubt military strikes against Mexico would go over well in this country, at least among those on the left side of the political spectrum.  Not to mention we have many millions of folks highly sympathetic to Mexico residing in this country, both legally and not so legally.
I think we'd have an active fifth column of folks making our lives randomly miserable on this side of the Rio Grande if we made any serious military moves against the cartels south of the border.
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2023, 05:15:34 PM »
Wouldn't really need military strikes.
Catch a cartel member in the US illegally. Verify status through the court system.
Return to Mexico via aerial repatriation. Load 'em up in a C-130 or similar. Fly them over a known and previously positively identified cartel location, preferably the head guy's hacienda and "send them home". No need for expensive parachutes or costly and time consuming landings and take offs.
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2023, 05:20:00 PM »
Meh, I'm not sure there'd be a full on ISIS level insurgency in the states, but maybe.  Several hundred thousand Americans know what that looks like on the ground, and in my saltier moments after some bourbon I think it might be interesting for the some homebound hawks to see it up close.

The southern border is a real issue, not just because of the human trafficking, but also the drugs and the foreign assets coming over.  I'm not sure that it's a bad idea to fire up the military to fix that problem, although there are likely to be real downsides and unexpected consequences so I'm not ready to go all "Rah, Rah, release the JDAMS"

I just thought I'd point out that that's what we're talking about here.  US military attacks on targets inside a sovereign country that has not approved them.  That's a war.  It's exactly how we started the last one.  Mexico has (checks wiki)  352,553 active military personnel and 98,653 reserves.  Throw in the cartel muscle, and some random others that'll show up for the fight, call it 600,000 with 70's-80's gear and no real Air Force.  We could take them, but the enemy does get a vote, and we would probably loose some folks pushing far enough into Mexico to put the boots on ground needed to clear out the cartel leadership.

Is that really on the menu?. 



Wouldn't really need military strikes.
Catch a cartel member in the US illegally. Verify status through the court system.
Return to Mexico via aerial repatriation. Load 'em up in a C-130 or similar. Fly them over a known and previously positively identified cartel location, preferably the head guy's hacienda and "send them home". No need for expensive parachutes or costly and time consuming landings and take offs.

And when that C-130 eats a S-300 or AMRAAM for violating Mexican airspace?  Then what?

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2023, 05:25:44 PM »
Yes, much better we just accept the status quo and carry on.
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2023, 05:32:34 PM »
Tell me you didn't read my post without telling me you didn't read my post.

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Meh, I'm not sure there'd be a full on ISIS level insurgency in the states, but maybe.  Several hundred thousand Americans know what that looks like on the ground, and in my saltier moments after some bourbon I think it might be interesting for the some homebound hawks to see it up close.

The southern border is a real issue, not just because of the human trafficking, but also the drugs and the foreign assets coming over.  I'm not sure that it's a bad idea to fire up the military to fix that problem, although there are likely to be real downsides and unexpected consequences so I'm not ready to go all "Rah, Rah, release the JDAMS"

I just thought I'd point out that that's what we're talking about here.  US military attacks on targets inside a sovereign country that has not approved them.  That's a war.  It's exactly how we started the last one.  Mexico has (checks wiki)  352,553 active military personnel and 98,653 reserves.  Throw in the cartel muscle, and some random others that'll show up for the fight, call it 600,000 with 70's-80's gear and no real Air Force.  We could take them, but the enemy does get a vote, and we would probably loose some folks pushing far enough into Mexico to put the boots on ground needed to clear out the cartel leadership.

Is that really on the menu?. 

And when that C-130 eats a S-300 or AMRAAM for violating Mexican airspace?  Then what?

But hey, *expletive deleted*ck it, lets go.  A war is an ever popular way to distract from the failings of the current administration, can help the economy, and Mexico is easier that Russia or China.  What's the worst that can happen? 

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2023, 06:59:45 PM »
I think we all know what a hostile incursion into Mexico could produce. That doesn't eliminate the fun of spit-balling giving the cartels the they deserve.

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2023, 07:06:03 PM »
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2023, 07:54:00 PM »
In my dream world, we designate the cartels terrorist organizations.  Tell Mexico we will cut off trade and tourism unless they allow us authority to pursue and engage these terrorists with spec ops units, and allow JSOC to prepare and prosecute target packages with extreme prejudice.  When terrorists wake up to SEALS kicking in the door and wracking everyone, they might just think twice.  Honestly, when I read the apology letter, I was wondering if this was what they feared.
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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2023, 08:01:30 PM »
I could see old Joe doing something along those lines as a distraction
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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2023, 02:46:33 AM »
 I saw the reaction by L.G as  a signal that the cartels are making to much money and have too much power and our politicians are not getting "a piece of the action"
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2023, 10:02:05 AM »
A good first step I think is some warehouses in China have accidents. Or a ship carrying precursors disappears in the pacific. Or a pill press factory in mexico which is likley small and in a residential neighborhood gets a drone strike.
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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2023, 02:02:30 PM »
A good first step I think is some warehouses in China have accidents. Or a ship carrying precursors disappears in the pacific. Or a pill press factory in mexico which is likley small and in a residential neighborhood gets a drone strike suffers an unexplained, catastrophic explosion.

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2023, 08:40:02 PM »
This could be a time to consider doing something sane, like legalising drugs.

The cartel probably genuinely doesn’t want bad press more than any fear of retribution  - they make all their money off of the millions of happy and willing customers they have in the USA.

There isn’t a Mexican fifth column to worry about, there are just millions and millions of people who want to buy drugs and probably won’t support a policy that makes them unavailable.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2023, 05:06:14 PM »
A good first step I think is some warehouses in China have accidents. Or a ship carrying precursors disappears in the pacific. Or a pill press factory in mexico which is likley small and in a residential neighborhood gets a drone strike.

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Re: We're sorry
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2023, 05:11:09 PM »
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