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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on August 16, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
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A couple of things I learned from this article that were surprising:
1) I would have never guessed the Firefox use numbers were this low. I would have guessed they were closer to 30% than 3%.
2) I was unaware of Google's involvement. Even if it's supposedly just search engine fees, I can't help but think there must be some coding requirements that I probably wouldn't like.
I've been using Firefox forever. I doubt I'll ever use Chrome or Edge, but I need to start looking at Waterfox or one of the other open source browsers. I was running Waterfox or similar some years ago, but then defaulted back to Firefox.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/an-endangered-internet-species-firefox/
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I'm using Palemoon, a fork off of old Firefox.
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Android = Google
Chrome = Google
*All Android phones and tablets default to Chrome and since most people don't mess with their phone pretty much 100% of Android phones are in the chrome camp. Even if they do download FF and change the defaults Chrome is still often used in the background for many Android tasks.
*Ditto Chrome books.
*The new MS Edge is Chrome now, your W10 computer will update to it automatically if it hasn't already. What applies to the Android phones above applies to W10 as well.
Google is becoming the Taco Bells in Demolition Man
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I use brave on my laptop, and opera mini on the phone. Used to use Firefox, and still have it on the desktop, but over the years it's gotten slow.
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Firefox’s memory issues are infuriating- it’s why I stopped using it.
A lot of business applications are trending to Chrome as well. Our service information software just went to an updated version that only plays well with Chrome. Our work order/parts ordering/labor management custom software also only works on Chrome.
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Android = Google
Chrome = Google
*All Android phones and tablets default to Chrome and since most people don't mess with their phone pretty much 100% of Android phones are in the chrome camp. Even if they do download FF and change the defaults Chrome is still often used in the background for many Android tasks.
*Ditto Chrome books.
*The new MS Edge is Chrome now, your W10 computer will update to it automatically if it hasn't already. What applies to the Android phones above applies to W10 as well.
Google is becoming the Taco Bells in Demolition Man
Brave is based on Chromium as well.
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I switched to Waterfox when Firefox changed over to .CSS and broke my add-ons. The Waterfox followed, but Waterfox (so far, at least) also offers Waterfox Classic, which continues to run the old add-ons. But Waterfox is 64-bit only, so I can't use it on my 32-bit Windows tablet. For that, there's pale Moon.
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Most PCs that I see, folks are using Chrome. When I see one that needs malware remediation, I'll put Firefox on, so I'll have a clean browser I can work with, without sketchy extensions.
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On desktop, I mostly use Firefox, because I can customize it with add-ons. Is there another browser that offers that to the same extent?
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On desktop, I mostly use Firefox, because I can customize it with add-ons. Is there another browser that offers that to the same extent?
Waterfox.
Probably Pale Moon, also, but I haven't used it enough to get into customizing it.
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Damn, I love my FireFox AND Thunderbird mailer!
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Departments here will develop HTML interfaces based on whatever preference the team lead has rather than a published standard. That means I keep Firefox, Chrome, and IE installed at all times because I have to jump between them multiple times a day.
Brad
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I use Chromium. Being free open source software, I'm not overly worried about googles fingers in it.
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I use Chromium. Being free open source software, I'm not overly worried about googles fingers in it.
Windows version no longer available. (In fact, it's presence on a Windows system is a sign to look for malware. IMHO&YMMV)
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I went back to Chrome, kept Thunderbird mailer though!
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BTW: If using FF go to Options --> Privacy & Security
Scroll down to Firefox Data Collection and Use
Turn that crap off, particularly Allow Firefox To Install And Run Studies
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Windows version no longer available. (In fact, it's presence on a Windows system is a sign to look for malware. IMHO&YMMV)
I'm on Fedora, but looks like they still do windows x64 builds...
https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium
https://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-snapshots/index.html?prefix=Win_x64/801346/
Am I missing something?
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Off topic but there is a real life MiG-31 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
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I'm on Fedora, but looks like they still do windows x64 builds...
https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium
https://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-snapshots/index.html?prefix=Win_x64/801346/
Am I missing something?
OK, I missed that.
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Firefox’s memory issues are infuriating- it’s why I stopped using it.
Been doing a little comparison between FF and Edge as far memory goes by opening up a YT video and a few websites.
Memory used on my PC after a boot is ~2.6 out of 16gb total
With FF memory used goes to ~5-5.5gb
With Edge 3.1-3.4
The big kicker is when I close the browser
After FF closes mem used stays at around ~5-5.5
Edge it goes back down to 2.6
Once FF grabs memory it won't let go of it until a reboot
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Been doing a little comparison between FF and Edge as far memory goes by opening up a YT video and a few websites.
Memory used on my PC after a boot is ~2.6 out of 16gb total
With FF memory used goes to ~5-5.5gb
With Edge 3.1-3.4
The big kicker is when I close the browser
After FF closes mem used stays at around ~5-5.5
Edge it goes back down to 2.6
Once FF grabs memory it won't let go of it until a reboot
What's Brave like?
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What's Brave like?
Never used it
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Been doing a little comparison between FF and Edge as far memory goes by opening up a YT video and a few websites.
Memory used on my PC after a boot is ~2.6 out of 16gb total
With FF memory used goes to ~5-5.5gb
With Edge 3.1-3.4
The big kicker is when I close the browser
After FF closes mem used stays at around ~5-5.5
Edge it goes back down to 2.6
Once FF grabs memory it won't let go of it until a reboot
I have to add something to what I typed above since it doesn't occur 100% of the time.
FF will often release memory, just not always all of it, sometimes used memory will drop down to the mid 3s after closing. Still not releasing all of it though.
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FWIW, using Linux Mint, OS alone uses 800MB RAM, loading a youtube video in Firefox bumps it to 1.6GB, the same video in Brave bumps it to 1.4GB. Both go back to 800MB on closing.
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Dell laptop w/8gb RAM, using Firefox w/115 open tabs (some Utube), Edge w/6 open tabs, T-bird, Libre Office w/2 spreadsheets, and 1 WordPad doc open. Also have McAfee running.
This is my normal usage. Lots of surfing, write some docs, print a few things. I'll put it to "sleep" at night by closing the lid. Might reboot the laptop every couple of weeks or 3, unless an upgrade to something drops.
Haven't noticed any memory problems.
There are only 2 reasons I use Edge: 1) work website doesn't like Firefox; 2) .pdf's display & print better from it than Firefox.
BTW: If using FF go to Options --> Privacy & Security
Scroll down to Firefox Data Collection and Use
Turn that crap off, particularly Allow Firefox To Install And Run Studies
Thanks!
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Dell laptop w/8gb RAM, using Firefox w/115 open tabs (some Utube), Edge w/6 open tabs, T-bird, Libre Office w/2 spreadsheets, and 1 WordPad doc open. Also have McAfee running.
This is my normal usage. Lots of surfing, write some docs, print a few things. I'll put it to "sleep" at night by closing the lid. Might reboot the laptop every couple of weeks or 3, unless an upgrade to something drops.
Haven't noticed any memory problems.
There are only 2 reasons I use Edge: 1) work website doesn't like Firefox; 2) .pdf's display & print better from it than Firefox.
Thanks!
Not really a problem if you have plenty of RAM, I have 16gb on my desktop, just shows that FF is a bit sloppy in comparison to Edge when it comes to memory management. Could be an issue though on low memory systems such as those with 4gb
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Not really a problem if you have plenty of RAM, I have 16gb on my desktop, just shows that FF is a bit sloppy in comparison to Edge when it comes to memory management. Could be an issue though on low memory systems such as those with 4gb
Yeah, I would not run "new and improved for better memory management" Firefox any any older computer, or even anything with less than 16MB RAM. Having plenty of RAM is the only reason I haven't moved my ass off Firefox yet, but I need to do so soon, not just because of the memory issues, but because they have become such SJW commies.
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Yeah, I would not run "new and improved for better memory management" Firefox any any older computer, or even anything with less than 16MB RAM. Having plenty of RAM is the only reason I haven't moved my ass off Firefox yet, but I need to do so soon, not just because of the memory issues, but because they have become such SJW commies.
How so?
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How so?
On one of my computers, I leave the Firefox default homepage on. It's full of social justice/it takes a village/ commie crap. Plus as I mentioned in the OP, Google has it's hand in Firefox now.
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How so?
Sacked their old CEO, caving to the mob over his giving some of his own money to a CA defense of marriage effort.
And the articles offered on the default home page ("recommended by Pocket"), the things they think I should be looking at, are annoying.
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Sacked their old CEO, caving to the mob over his giving some of his own money to a CA defense of marriage effort.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. They have become a "diversity as long as we approve of it" company. They've strayed a long way from the "live and let live" days of the early internet and Netscape.