Author Topic: Snowden: Hero or Criminal? (Read 54482 times)

Tallpine · « **Reply #250 on:** July 11, 2013, 04:32:29 PM »

Quote from: seeker_two on July 11, 2013, 02:12:23 PM

I always look fabulous....good genes, I guess...

Wrangler or Levi ?

seeker_two · « **Reply #251 on:** July 13, 2013, 01:25:47 AM »

Quote from: Tallpine on July 11, 2013, 04:32:29 PM

Wrangler or Levi ?

More like Hackman & Wilder....

Ryan in Maine · « **Reply #252 on:** July 14, 2013, 10:33:11 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/14/snowden-chose-not-to-release-most-damaging-data/

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"Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the US government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States," [Greenwald] told the paper in an interview published on Saturday.

seeker_two · « **Reply #253 on:** July 15, 2013, 09:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Ryan in Maine on July 14, 2013, 10:33:11 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/14/snowden-chose-not-to-release-most-damaging-data/

....and that target on his back just keeps getting bigger....

Regolith · « **Reply #254 on:** July 15, 2013, 09:53:54 PM »

Quote from: seeker_two on July 15, 2013, 09:06:32 PM

....and that target on his back just keeps getting bigger....

Not if that information is on a dead man's switch. Arrest/kill Snowden, and the data goes out.

Tallpine · « **Reply #255 on:** July 16, 2013, 09:40:23 AM »

Quote from: Regolith on July 15, 2013, 09:53:54 PM

Not if that information is on a dead man's switch. Arrest/kill Snowden, and the data goes out.

You can't stop the signal

Ron · « **Reply #256 on:** July 16, 2013, 09:45:21 AM »

Quote from: Regolith on July 15, 2013, 09:53:54 PM

Not if that information is on a dead man's switch. Arrest/kill Snowden, and the data goes out.

There are plenty of parties that want that info released. So it makes him an attractive target for both those who want it disclosed as well as those who want the info to remain secret. I bet being a spy isn't as much fun as it first seemed like to him.

roo_ster · « **Reply #257 on:** July 16, 2013, 09:59:43 AM »

Quote from: Ron on July 16, 2013, 09:45:21 AM

There are plenty of parties that want that info released. So it makes him an attractive target for both those who want it disclosed as well as those who want the info to remain secret. I bet being a spy isn't as much fun as it first seemed like to him.

Yeah, no shinola. Someone in his place ought to have redundant, layered data stashes.

dogmush · « **Reply #258 on:** July 16, 2013, 10:08:49 AM »

Somehow I bet they skipped the layered dead man info stash part of field craft in his analyst training class.

This guy needs to quit bragging. If he shuts up long enough for American Idol to start he'll be home free.

RevDisk · « **Reply #259 on:** July 16, 2013, 03:15:05 PM »

Quote from: Ron on July 16, 2013, 09:45:21 AM

There are plenty of parties that want that info released. So it makes him an attractive target for both those who want it disclosed as well as those who want the info to remain secret. I bet being a spy isn't as much fun as it first seemed like to him.

That's the tricky part of dead man's switch. You want it ugly enough to discourage its target from attacking, but not THAT ugly that the enemy of your enemy wants it pressed. And you want folks to believe that dead man's switch is in that happy middle ground.

It's less than pleasant. You might find that sweet spot, and have some party believe it's a bluff. Or that you're lying. Or whatever.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #260 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:55:32 AM »

But they know that he's being assisted by the Wikileaks people, so it's reasonable to surmise that Wikileaks has a copy of everything, and that the dead man's switch has been armed.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #261 on:** July 17, 2013, 03:40:59 PM »

Nobody can actually know. Perhaps he left it on a USB Key with his girlfriend. Or gave a copy to Assange. Or both. Or backed up on a site that requires he log in each morning. Or all three.

Scout26 · « **Reply #262 on:** August 16, 2013, 09:17:00 PM »

Each day more and more comes out about the NSA and Fed.gov are listening to citizens.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130816/02532424205/okay-now-will-people-admit-that-ed-snowden-is-whistleblower.shtml

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #263 on:** August 16, 2013, 10:19:25 PM »

I'm kind of surprised the guy is still sucking air.

Balog · « **Reply #264 on:** August 16, 2013, 11:05:55 PM »

There's a reason he's in hiding in Russia.

roo_ster · « **Reply #265 on:** August 17, 2013, 10:42:20 PM »

If we had smart & moral folks running out gov't, Snowden would be offered immunity for a full dump of everything he knows about our rogue agencies.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #266 on:** August 17, 2013, 10:45:10 PM »

Quote from: Roo_ster on August 17, 2013, 10:42:20 PM

If we had smart & moral folks running out gov't, Snowden would be offered immunity for a full dump of everything he knows about our rogue agencies.

Damned starry-eyed dreamers, ruining our Aristocracy of Pull and the machine that feeds it.

roo_ster · « **Reply #267 on:** August 17, 2013, 11:09:05 PM »

AZ44:

I know you are joking, but I have been so accused in the past. Which leaves me with a case of "WTF? Face."

Because my predilection for less authority in the hands of gov't is largely based on my dark view of human nature.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #268 on:** August 18, 2013, 08:13:01 AM »

Quote from: Roo_ster on August 17, 2013, 10:42:20 PM

If we had smart & moral folks running out gov't, Snowden would be offered immunity for a full dump of everything he knows about our rogue agencies.

That would require that the PTB (Powers That Be) recognize and acknowledge that the NSA is a rogue agency. They don't. They are still engaging in denial and damage control. So what if the NSA snoops violated to rules of engagement something like 2400 times in ONE year? That's only 6.75 times PER DAY on average. They were honest mistakes. We weren't TRYING to intercept those particular conversations.

Levant · « **Reply #269 on:** August 18, 2013, 01:52:55 PM »

From the Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html

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The NSA audit obtained by the Post dated May 2012, counted 2,776 incidents in the preceding 12 months of unauthorized collection, storage, access to or distribution of legally protected communications. Most were unintended. Many involved failures of due diligence or violations of standard operating procedure. The most serious incidents included a violation of a court order and unauthorized use of data about more than 3,000 Americans and green-card holders.

So who's going to jail for those that were not unintended?

Levant · « **Reply #270 on:** August 18, 2013, 01:56:06 PM »

Snowden continues to slowly release worse and worse information. It seems that he's trying to make the point to Congress and the press with the least required damage to the United States and it's reputation globally but neither Congress nor the press are getting the point. That seems to leave Snowden having to escalate more and more to get the point made. How bad will it get before we act?

Nick1911 · « **Reply #271 on:** August 18, 2013, 04:49:55 PM »

Quote from: Levant on August 18, 2013, 01:56:06 PM

How bad will it get before we act?

Simple. We won't.

Blakenzy · « **Reply #272 on:** August 18, 2013, 05:31:02 PM »

And We won't because... TRRSM! ZOMG!!

agricola · « **Reply #273 on:** August 19, 2013, 02:56:23 PM »

Quote from: Roo_ster on August 17, 2013, 10:42:20 PM

If we had smart & moral folks running out gov't, Snowden would be offered immunity for a full dump of everything he knows about our rogue agencies.

They probably think that they can get the full dump of everything he knows without full immunity, indeed judging by the detention of his partner in London yesterday they might have it already.

Balog · « **Reply #274 on:** August 19, 2013, 07:11:48 PM »

Quote from: agricola on August 19, 2013, 02:56:23 PM

They probably think that they can get the full dump of everything he knows without full immunity, indeed judging by the detention of his partner in London yesterday they might have it already.

That was Greenfield's boyfriend who got detained, not Snowden's.

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