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Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« on: March 12, 2008, 04:58:00 AM »
Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France

President encounters left-wing protestors during visit to Nazi resistance museum
Aviram Zino

President Shimon Peres encountered some not so pleasant left-wing protestors on Wednesday during a visit to a museum on Nazi resistance groups during World War II in the French city of Lyon as part of his official state visit to the European country.

Some far left activists held a demonstration at the museum where they dubbed Peres and Israel "criminal," called for Israel "to be erased," and said "the resistance in Gaza is legitimate."

The incident led to a brief scuffle when French police arrived on the scene and attempted to use force to evacuate the protestors. The activists did not give up and sat down on the ground with interlocked arms in order to avoid being forcibly removed. Police struggled with the demonstrators for several minutes before they managed to expel them from the area.

A member of the president's delegation said: "The calls for Israel's destruction are severe given the sensitivity of the place (where they were uttered). Nonetheless, this is an extreme left radical group that does not comprise a significant bloc in regional politics."

This incident notwithstanding, Peres' staff expressed satisfaction with the president's visit to France.

Later on Wednesday, Peres is expected to inaugurate a center for Jewish education in Lyon  the biggest of its kind in Europe. Afterwards, he is scheduled to eat lunch with the president of the Lyon district.

Peres met in Paris with his French counterpart Nicholas Sarkozy on Monday. During the visit, Peres received France's highest award, the Legion of Honor.

Sarkozy told the president: "It is a great honor for me to greet you here as the president of the State of Israel, but it is an even greater honor to greet you as Shimon Peres. I have a lot of respect for you and I view you as a symbol."

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Look, people, this is just retarded. The man is one of the most pro-peace politician Israel has. He is a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for the love of God.

But it seems to me that there's two kinds of peace protestor nowadays. The kind that actually want peace because they care for the welfare of both sides in a conflict, and the kind that just support whoever it is opposes the West/America/ Israel.

Peres is of the former kind  he genuinely cares about the plight both of the Jews and the Palestinians, and had initiated various projects to help them bootstrap themselves out of the poverty they're in. These Frenchmen are clearly the latter.
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 05:11:26 AM »
Oh, that kind of "protester" usually isn't a Frenchman at all. In fact, they'd be angry if you called them that, even though they're living in France.

They're a resident of something-stan, usually, who left there because it was such a toilet, moved to France, and now refuses to have anything to do with French culture. They live in ethnic enclaves and only associate with others of their level of intolerance, sitting around in a pit of reinforced hostility instead of trying to actually live in the country they're living in.

France is eventually going to need to deport that sort before it turns into a Balkanized mess around the Paris suburbs. When it's "normal" for a hundred cars to be burnt a night in "protest", when gangs of "youths" are laying ambushes for police and firing shotguns at them (!) you have problems.


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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 05:14:02 AM »
Anti-semitism (and thats what this is) has always been a disease of the Left more than the Right.
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008, 05:14:47 AM »
ManedWolf, I invite you to visit the Tel-Aviv University campus any day. Chances are the morons holding the END THE HOLOCAUST OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE signs are about as radically-Muslim as you or I.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 05:18:07 AM »
ManedWolf, I invite you to visit the Tel-Aviv University campus any day. Chances are the morons holding the END THE HOLOCAUST OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE signs are about as radically-Muslim as you or I.

If they want to end their "holocaust", they'd get Hamas and Fatah to stop killing their own people and using their own people as human shields.

Until they can see past the fact that most of their deaths are caused by friendly fire, until they can see that their current dysfuctional squalor of existence is OF THEIR OWN DOING, they're not going anywhere but downhill while blaming others for their own monumental failure as a society.

The Gaza Strip already looks like Mogadishu because they keep blowing THEMSELVES up. Who's doing a holocaust, again?

If a bunch of Jordanian, Syrian and Lebanese refugees want to ever create a nation called "Palestine", (because one never existed!), they need to clean up their own act first. Right now, most of the entire world sees them as violently squabbling dysfunctional post-civilization refugees overseen by vicious terrorists who have no problem blowing up civilians, women and children, instead of attacking military targets.

And that's just a fact.

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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 05:21:16 AM »
To a degree, you're right. But again, that's not my point.

My point was that plenty non-Muslim leftists buy into this utterly inane crap.

Hell, I have met a *former FATAH militant* who was more reasonable than these people, and he *was* a Palestinian.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2008, 05:27:23 AM »
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 05:45:00 AM »
acolytes to saint pancake

What does that mean? An English expression clearly unfamiliar to me.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 05:56:47 AM »
its reference to the girl from the us who decided to examine the underside of the armored buldozer 

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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 05:57:51 AM »
its reference to the girl from the us who decided to examine the underside of the armored buldozer 

Ha! Cheesy Now that brightened my day.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2008, 05:59:56 AM »
and i may stand corrected on this, and on here it won't take long, but i believe the title was betowed by others of her ilk as opposed to those of us from the dark side

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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 06:00:30 AM »
Last I was in Europe, hating Israel and Jews was very chic, whether Germany, France or the UK.
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 06:06:46 AM »
Last I was in Europe, hating Israel and Jews was very chic, whether Germany, France or the UK.

"Anti-Semitism is Socailism for the stupid". - often attributed to Marx, and Europe is VERY socialist.
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 09:58:04 AM »
Anti-semitism (and thats what this is) has always been a disease of the Left more than the Right.

I totally agree and the left sure does a good job at pointing the finger at the right as the haters.

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 10:27:52 AM »
The Palestinians should count their lucky stars.....if it wasn't for Israel's cultural memory of and revulsion for the Holocaust, they would have (justifiably, I might add) found their own "Final Solution" for the Palestinian problem.....
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 07:18:28 PM »
The Palestinians should count their lucky stars.....if it wasn't for Israel's cultural memory of and revulsion for the Holocaust, they would have (justifiably, I might add) found their own "Final Solution" for the Palestinian problem.....

Wow.

Looks the Palestinian militants aren't the only ones who believe genocide is the righteous answer.

Israel used to be one of the more radically socialist countries in the world. 

if you ask me, the people who were saying this:

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Some far left activists held a demonstration at the museum where they dubbed Peres and Israel "criminal," called for Israel "to be erased," and said "the resistance in Gaza is legitimate."

About Shimon Peres are the mirror image of the people who say that all the Palestinians should just be killed.

I know it's against the grain of un-pcness to say this these days, but I think it's clear that there is a moral equivalence between the two positions-"destroy Israel, it's bad!" is exactly the same kind of morally repugnant sentiment as "destroy the Palestinians! they deserve it!"
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 08:37:56 PM »
I think Israel has shown admirable restraint, myself.

If a group of Mexican, Venezuelan, Columbian and Honduran refugees took over a strip of land on the US/Mexico border, said it was "Aztlan" or whatever, and started pinging rockets into San Diego, how long do you think that'd last before an overwhelming military response?

Yet this is just what Israel endures night and day, no matter what they do, no matter what concessions they make, no matter what peace process they try. Quassam rockets from rooftops, day after night after day after night...


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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 08:42:48 PM »
I think Israel has shown admirable restraint, myself.

If a group of Mexican, Venezuelan, Columbian and Honduran refugees took over a strip of land on the US/Mexico border, said it was "Aztlan" or whatever, and started pinging rockets into San Diego, how long do you think that'd last before an overwhelming military response?

Yet this is just what Israel endures night and day, no matter what they do, no matter what concessions they make, no matter what peace process they try. Quassam rockets from rooftops, day after night after day after night...



That isn't what happened with the land, and Israel does indeed hammer the Palestinians-check out the comparative deaths if you don't agree.  Whatever that country is, it is not one of "admirable restraint" against Palestinians.  For every Israali civilian dead, about 10 Palestinian civilians bite the dust at the business end of an Israeli weapon.  That's not restrained.

The Palestinians are not refugees from somewhere else-they were all born there and live there too.  The answer to the question "what is the homeland of the palestinians?" is: right there between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.  I believe that's why most of the Israeli public has traditionally supported the two state solution; they realize that those are people with homes too.  But that may be changing-obviously Micro could better answer that than any of us.



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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 08:53:12 PM »
I think Israel has shown admirable restraint, myself.

If a group of Mexican, Venezuelan, Columbian and Honduran refugees took over a strip of land on the US/Mexico border, said it was "Aztlan" or whatever, and started pinging rockets into San Diego, how long do you think that'd last before an overwhelming military response?

Yet this is just what Israel endures night and day, no matter what they do, no matter what concessions they make, no matter what peace process they try. Quassam rockets from rooftops, day after night after day after night...



That isn't what happened with the land, and Israel does indeed hammer the Palestinians-check out the comparative deaths if you don't agree.  Whatever that country is, it is not one of "admirable restraint" against Palestinians.  For every Israali civilian dead, about 10 Palestinian civilians bite the dust at the business end of an Israeli weapon.  That's not restrained.

The Palestinians are not refugees from somewhere else-they were all born there and live there too.  The answer to the question "what is the homeland of the palestinians?" is: right there between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.  I believe that's why most of the Israeli public has traditionally supported the two state solution; they realize that those are people with homes too.  But that may be changing-obviously Micro could better answer that than any of us.

Most of the Palis are killed by being used as human shields by their own Hamas "fighters". These courageous warriors will hide behind families and children while shooting at Israelis. Or haven't you managed to get that fact through your skull yet?

And there is no Palestine. There never was.


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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 08:57:01 PM »
I think Israel has shown admirable restraint, myself.

If a group of Mexican, Venezuelan, Columbian and Honduran refugees took over a strip of land on the US/Mexico border, said it was "Aztlan" or whatever, and started pinging rockets into San Diego, how long do you think that'd last before an overwhelming military response?

Yet this is just what Israel endures night and day, no matter what they do, no matter what concessions they make, no matter what peace process they try. Quassam rockets from rooftops, day after night after day after night...



That isn't what happened with the land, and Israel does indeed hammer the Palestinians-check out the comparative deaths if you don't agree.  Whatever that country is, it is not one of "admirable restraint" against Palestinians.  For every Israali civilian dead, about 10 Palestinian civilians bite the dust at the business end of an Israeli weapon.  That's not restrained.

The Palestinians are not refugees from somewhere else-they were all born there and live there too.  The answer to the question "what is the homeland of the palestinians?" is: right there between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.  I believe that's why most of the Israeli public has traditionally supported the two state solution; they realize that those are people with homes too.  But that may be changing-obviously Micro could better answer that than any of us.

Most of the Palis are killed by being used as human shields by their own Hamas "fighters". These courageous warriors will hide behind families and children while shooting at Israelis. Or haven't you managed to get that fact through your skull yet?

And there is no Palestine. There never was.



Sorry, but the facts on the ground do not support your preconceived notions about that conflict.  It is an ugly battle between two people who are both fighting for their homes.  It is a fact-both of the parties there are sitting in the same homes they were born in.  It does not matter if you don't believe there ever was a Palestine; that fact has nothing to do with the very real fact that the Palestinians live there and always have lived there.  It is their home and they have a right to their home just like anyone else.

People who want to make peace will have to recognize that both Jews and Arabs have rights.  Pretending that Palestinians do not exist, or that they only die when throwing themselves voluntarily in front of the guns, is simply a thin facade for the belief that they have no rights whatsoever.
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 08:59:03 PM »
blah blah blah disbelieve blah blah.

Whatever.  rolleyes

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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2008, 09:05:01 PM »
blah blah blah disbelieve blah blah.

Whatever.  rolleyes

Yep-don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant about Palestinians. 

You won't let an Israeli convince you that the military complex is harmful there and that it is oppressive; neither will you let anyone else convince you that you are wrong about Palestinians.  I don't believe that facts are the basis of your opinion on this subject.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 09:41:48 PM »
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I believe that's why most of the Israeli public has traditionally supported the two state solution; they realize that those are people with homes too.  But that may be changing-obviously Micro could better answer that than any of us.

Every single important political party in Israel supports some form of a two-state solution - Labor, Likud, Kadima, Israel Beitenu. It's utterly ridiculous to think Israel can conquer or maintain control of the Territories for a long term, or that such a thing would be somehow desirable for Israel.

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Whatever that country is, it is not one of "admirable restraint" against Palestinians.

Here I will have to agree with Manedwolf. I was in the Army (though not in a combat capacity), and I think the Army does take steps, again and again, to assure the safety of Palestinian civilians as much as possible. But that said, the realities of urban warfare are such that you will never eliminate civilian casualties altogether when you have two sides going at it with tanks and grenades and rockets and whatnot, and sometimes the Army DOES unduly abuse the Palestinians, and I have stories of that too that I could tell.

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And there is no Palestine. There never was.

Uttely irrelevant. What you have here is an ethnically separate population that was ALWAYS there, that talks a different language from us and has a different culture. There's no reason Israel should control their territory, nor does it benefit from it.

That said, the Hamas are a band of smacktards, who are out to do nothing else but fight their Holy Jihad, no matter what it does to the very people they're claiming to help.

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People who want to make peace will have to recognize that both Jews and Arabs have rights. 

And that's precisely correct.

Both the nutjobs who think we need to carpet-bomb Gaza, and the left-wing nutjobs who  whine that ISrael should not exist - and I know such nutjobs ON MY CAMPUS - are harmful to the peace process.

Only by realising the people on the other side of the concrete fence have legitimate concerns will we resolve this problem.
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Re: Leftist activists call Peres 'criminal' in France
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2008, 09:59:42 PM »
Both the nutjobs who think we need to carpet-bomb Gaza, and the left-wing nutjobs who  whine that ISrael should not exist - and I know such nutjobs ON MY CAMPUS - are harmful to the peace process.

Only by realising the people on the other side of the concrete fence have legitimate concerns will we resolve this problem.

But problem right now:

Israel: (does nothing to provoke)
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Israel: (does nothing)
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Israel: (does nothing)
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel
Israel: sends a few troops and tanks in to knock out some of the damn rockets
Gaza: BAWWW! Israel is mean!
Gaza: fires rocket into Israel