Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site

[Perd Hapley]

I know Christians that agree with the Westboro Baptists' beliefs, just not their methods.

You know Christians that have told you that God has a special hatred for homosexuals, over and above other types of sinners?  That "deep-dyed faggots" can't be forgiven? (To quote Fred Phelps.)  You know Christians who openly say that only their tiny congregation has any hope of salvation? 

I've never met anyone like that.

In fact, a higher percentage of the Muslims I know (100%) denounce Al Qeda than Christians I know that denounce abortion terrorists(about 70%)
What does this mean?  Absolutely nothing.

True, because Al Qeda is killing the innocent, rather than abortion providers.  Not much of a comparison there.

[Strings]

>Not enough for me, personally.  I want to see rank and file Muslims denouncing Bin Laden in the same volumes and proportions as I see average Christians denouncing the Westboro Baptists and abortion doc killers.<

Just a thought, but I wonder how much a role media plays in this one.

Honestly, every Muslim I've ever met has been rabidly anti-terrorism...

>You know Christians that have told you that God has a special hatred for homosexuals, over and above other types of sinners?  That "deep-dyed faggots" can't be forgiven? (To quote Fred Phelps.)  You know Christians who openly say that only their tiny congregation has any hope of salvation?

I've never met anyone like that.<

Then count yourself very lucky, Fistful. There aren't THAT many of them in the world, but they ARE out there (in both senses)...

They REALLY make you rethink things, like that whole "opiate of the masses" thing...

[sanglant]

i have met well one Muslim, that had gotten out of Pakistan into the US and became citizen. according to him, there wasn't a Mosque he could find that wasn't preaching that the US needed to fall. take it for what it's worth, i've never stepped into one.

edit: oh, this was more then ten years ago.

[roo_ster]

i have met well one Muslim, that had gotten out of Pakistan into the US and became citizen. according to him, there wasn't a Mosque he could find that wasn't preaching that the US needed to fall. take it for what it's worth, i've never stepped into one.

edit: oh, this was more then ten years ago.

The two largest mosques in my metro area are not ashamed to let their tango-symp flag fly.

[MechAg94]

You know Christians that have told you that God has a special hatred for homosexuals, over and above other types of sinners?  That "deep-dyed faggots" can't be forgiven? (To quote Fred Phelps.)  You know Christians who openly say that only their tiny congregation has any hope of salvation?  

I've never met anyone like that.

I don't think I have met anyone who takes it that far either, but I think many forget that homosexual conduct is just another sin.  Of course, I think many Christians fall into the trap of thinking there are "bad" sins and "good" (or not so bad) sins and that the little lies or adultery they commit are not any different from homosexual adultery.  
They also forget that sin doesn't matter one bit when it comes to salvation and going to heaven.  

[Perd Hapley]

I don't think I have met anyone who takes it that far either, but I think many forget that homosexual conduct is just another sin.  Of course, I think many Christians fall into the trap of thinking there are "bad" sins and "good" (or not so bad) sins and that the little lies or adultery they commit are not any different from homosexual adultery.  

Sure, but Phelps & Co very explicitly believe that.  There's a big difference between a declared belief and an unexamined belief.  And of course, you'll find very few Christians who believe that homosexuals can't be forgiven, even as an unexamined prejudice.

[seeker_two]

Null set. :)

 If he was drinking that in a strip club, he'd have 9-11 Terrorist status.....




....that was sarcasm, folks.....move along..... 

[Strings]

>Sure, but Phelps & Co very explicitly believe that.  There's a big difference between a declared belief and an unexamined belief.  And of course, you'll find very few Christians who believe that homosexuals can't be forgiven, even as an unexamined prejudice.<

True: every religion has it's fringe elements. And the larger the religion, the larger the fringe is. And the larger the fringe, the more likely it is that you'll have folks willing to ACT on those fringe beliefs.

Which explains why you're more likely to encounter a christian who feels that all non believers should be burned at the stake, than say pagans who believe in blowing up churches. There's roughly the same percentage, but that works out to a bigger number of christian fringe than pagan fringe...

[Perd Hapley]

True: every religion has it's fringe elements. And the larger the religion, the larger the fringe is. And the larger the fringe, the more likely it is that you'll have folks willing to ACT on those fringe beliefs.

Which explains why you're more likely to encounter a christian who feels that all non believers should be burned at the stake, than say pagans who believe in blowing up churches. There's roughly the same percentage, but that works out to a bigger number of christian fringe than pagan fringe...

Uh.  The Christians in India would disagree with you. 

But I don't think that's what this argument is about, anyway.

[Jamisjockey]

Even as nutty as Phelps is, they haven't blown anybody up (yet).

[longeyes]

Equivalence between the Islamists and anyone else is absurd, by an order of magnitude.

[Nitrogen]

Senator Orrin Hatch also strongly backs the Islam Center near 9/11 site:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/republican-orrin-hatch-stands-up-for-cordoba-house-video.php

[Strings]

>Uh.  The Christians in India would disagree with you.<

Wait, what?

I'm strictly talking about the west here...

[Nitrogen]

Equivalence between the Islamists and anyone else is absurd, by an order of magnitude.

What exactly is an islamist?

[Perd Hapley]

>Uh.  The Christians in India would disagree with you.<

Wait, what?

I'm strictly talking about the west here...

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but it doesn't seem very connected to this thread. 

If it helps you at all, I was responding to Nitrogen, who claimed to know Christians who shared Phelps' beliefs.  I was pointing out how doubtful that seemed, given the peculiarity of Phelps' doctrine. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

What exactly is an islamist?

you didn't get the email memo?  if you subscribed to prison planet and wnd you'd be up to date on all the new cool terms

[makattak]

you didn't get the email memo?  if you subscribed to prison planet and wnd you'd be up to date on all the new cool terms

Ok, would you prefer Muslim terrorists and Muslim supporters of terror?

It's a good term and less clunky than the above.

[makattak]

Or maybe would could bring back "Mohammedan."

(Seems like a good, descriptive word as well.)

[seeker_two]

Senator Orrin Hatch also strongly backs the Islam Center near 9/11 site:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/republican-orrin-hatch-stands-up-for-cordoba-house-video.php

Not surprising for a RINO....next example plz... 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Or maybe would could bring back "Mohammedan."

(Seems like a good, descriptive word as well.)

yet the one fool who used it publicly fell over himself apologizing and was shunned

[Perd Hapley]

I am told the Moha-ah-er, the Muslims do not like it because it implies they worship Mohamed.  Of course, a lot of people seem to think they do.   

[longeyes]

What, Moor doesn't work any more?

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

What, Moor doesn't work any more?

Only WND readers use terms like that.

Didn't you get the memo?

 

[MicroBalrog]

Not surprising for a RINO....next example plz... 

Orrin Hatch is a RINO?

[Nitrogen]

Orrin Hatch is a RINO?

He feels rather personally about the issue, RINO or not.  Mormons have had similar problems.