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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2008, 06:27:43 PM »
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2008, 06:51:52 PM »
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All them tight pants in the Super Bowl get you too excited, there?..... Wink
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2008, 07:00:10 PM »
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All them tight pants in the Super Bowl get you too excited, there?..... Wink


That, and they're all such big, strong young men.  Slapping each other's heiney's and what-not.  (What is the accepted spelling for hiney?  Heiny?  Hmmm)  And don't forget the tackling and dog-piling and huddling.  Anyway, I find it almost as exciting as professional wrestling.   smiley 
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2008, 12:55:09 AM »
Brain....melting...what...did...he...say?  Help me

All them tight pants in the Super Bowl get you too excited, there?..... Wink


That, and they're all such big, strong young men.  Slapping each other's heiney's and what-not.  (What is the accepted spelling for hiney?  Heiny?  Hmmm)  And don't forget the tackling and dog-piling and huddling.  Anyway, I find it almost as exciting as professional wrestling.   smiley 

At least we're not talking about MMA.....all that grappling....
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2008, 09:03:22 AM »
Brain....melting...what...did...he...say?  Help me

All them tight pants in the Super Bowl get you too excited, there?..... Wink


That, and they're all such big, strong young men.  Slapping each other's heiney's and what-not.  (What is the accepted spelling for hiney?  Heiny?  Hmmm)  And don't forget the tackling and dog-piling and huddling.  Anyway, I find it almost as exciting as professional wrestling.   smiley 

At least we're not talking about MMA.....all that grappling....

...and mounting, and "grounding and pounding" away.
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2008, 01:15:52 PM »
What's an MMA? 
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2008, 04:07:29 PM »
What's an MMA? 

The newest fad in martial arts/sports: Mixed Martial Arts.
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #82 on: February 04, 2008, 10:22:10 PM »
Now Berkeley wants to retract their nasty-gram to the Marines...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/05/BAHVUS06B.DTL

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In Berkeley, push to rescind letter to Marines
Carolyn Jones, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 5, 2008
(02-04) 18:52 PST Berkeley -- A week after blasting the Marines as "unwelcome intruders" in Berkeley, two City Council members want the city to back off the declaration that ignited the wrath of the nation's right wing and inspired a Republican senator to try to sever Berkeley's federal funding.
Council members Betty Olds and Laurie Capitelli on Monday proposed that Berkeley rescind its letter to the U.S. Marine Corps that stated that the downtown Berkeley recruiting center "is not welcome in our city," and publicly declare that Berkeley is against the war but supports the troops.
The City Council will vote on Olds' and Capitelli's two proposals at its meeting next Tuesday.
"I think we shouldn't be seen across the country as hating the Marines," said Olds, who voted against last week's proposals. "If you make a mistake, like we did, you should admit it and correct it and move on."
The brouhaha started last week when the council passed two items condemning the Marine recruiting center on Shattuck Square, which opened about a year ago. The first called on the city clerk to send a letter to the Marines telling them they're unwelcome, and the second item granted Code Pink a parking space in front of the recruiting office every Wednesday afternoon and allowed the group to operate a loudspeaker.
After the items passed, the council was besieged with criticism from right-wing groups and military supporters. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., proposed that the federal government cut off funds for Berkeley, including lunch programs, ferry service and UC Berkeley.
Olds said she heard from hundreds of people angered by the city's action, including many in her Berkeley hills district.
"People are so mad about this. They have relatives in the service, and now they think they're not welcome in Berkeley," she said. "My twin brother was a Marine in World War II. He'd be turning in his grave if he saw this."
The council appears split on the idea of backing down. Some council members said the original proposals inadvertently insulted veterans and those currently serving in the military. Others said Berkeley should stand by its convictions.
"People are used to Berkeley taking a stand for peace, but you have to do it intelligently," said Councilman Kriss Worthington, who voted against sending the letter calling the Marine Corps unwelcome. "You don't want to slap one group in the face and then, the next minute, slap the other group. I think we have an obligation to be thoughtful and sensitive and not be counterproductive to the cause of peace."
Councilwoman Dona Spring said the council should not be cowed by the volume of hate mail and threats.
"I still oppose the Marines recruiting in Berkeley because it's one way of protesting this wasteful war," she said. "Our military policy is a shambles. But we're not in opposition to the Marines; we oppose the policy that directs the Marines."
Meanwhile, the Code Pink protesters said they were disappointed that Berkeley might rescind its letter to the Marines.
"I hope they're not acting out of intimidation," said Code Pink spokeswoman Medea Benjamin. "Berkeley is a city of peace, and a recruiting station does not fit Berkeley's values."
Mayor Tom Bates, a former Army captain, said it probably wouldn't hurt if the council clarified its position.
"It's a symbol, but there are consequences to symbols," he said. "A lot of people think we're anti-Marine, but there's a difference between the warriors and the war. This is an attempt to clarify that."
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2008, 03:13:22 AM »
I personally think that Berkeley(and Code Pink) would do well to acknowledge that the Military as a whole, and the Marines in particular, are not given the option as to their policy on homosexuality.

Our rules are based on FEDERAL LAW.  We, as the military, have little to no say on it.  They'd do better to contact their representatives in congress to ammend the UCMJ.

As for code pink, I think that the protestors should sign affadavits that they'll enter the marines voluntarily if/when the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy is replaced by something more allowing, assuming they still meet standards.

Talk about mixed messages as well.

'We don't like the war in Iraq!  Marine recruiters go away!'
'You don't let us gays into the Marines!  Bad Marine recruiters!'

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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2008, 03:55:21 AM »
As a side note, there was something about a Berkeley professor jumping in front of a commuter train yesterday, tying up commuter rail service for over two hours.

Why am I not surprised that someone from there would do such a selfish method of suicide that traumatizes other people and keeps them from getting home to their families?


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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2008, 12:39:38 PM »
Because when you or I commit suicide, we will spend some time thinking about how our death could inconvenience others.   undecided  Oh, wait.  Maybe he wasn't thinking about those things because he was SUICIDAL!!!!!   

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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2008, 12:52:33 PM »
It doesn't matter. If someone wants to off themselves, they can go for it. You're not going to stop them if that's what they want to do. They'll do it eventually. That's just a hard fact.

But yes, it IS selfish if they traumatize or endanger the lives of other people in doing so. What if the train conductor slammed on the brakes and the train derailed? How does that train conductor feel now, having had their train run someone down while they were at the controls, having seen that happen? Who is going to pay for their psychiatrist?

Just now in MA, a lady ran out into traffic on 495 on purpose so a car would hit her. That's what happened. Would you be okay with that, if someone did that and ran in front of your car so you'd kill them?


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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #87 on: February 05, 2008, 01:23:25 PM »
I personally think that Berkeley(and Code Pink) would do well to acknowledge that the Military as a whole, and the Marines in particular, are not given the option as to their policy on homosexuality.

Our rules are based on FEDERAL LAW.  We, as the military, have little to no say on it.  They'd do better to contact their representatives in congress to ammend the UCMJ.

'We don't like the war in Iraq!  Marine recruiters go away!'
'You don't let us gays into the Marines!  Bad Marine recruiters!'
  I think that they are doing the right thing by protesting.  They are getting their message out to the population so more people will contact their representatives. 

They are protesting the war in IRaq and the fact that the military discriminates against gays.  They are protesting multiple issues.

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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2008, 01:37:49 PM »
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2008, 01:38:41 PM »
As a side note, there was something about a Berkeley professor jumping in front of a commuter train yesterday, tying up commuter rail service for over two hours.

Why am I not surprised that someone from there would do such a selfish method of suicide that traumatizes other people and keeps them from getting home to their families?


You mean the train stopped?.......

Fire that engineer!!!!   angry
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #90 on: February 05, 2008, 03:12:16 PM »
It doesn't matter. If someone wants to off themselves, they can go for it. You're not going to stop them if that's what they want to do. They'll do it eventually. That's just a hard fact.

But yes, it IS selfish if they traumatize or endanger the lives of other people in doing so. What if the train conductor slammed on the brakes and the train derailed? How does that train conductor feel now, having had their train run someone down while they were at the controls, having seen that happen? Who is going to pay for their psychiatrist?

Just now in MA, a lady ran out into traffic on 495 on purpose so a car would hit her. That's what happened. Would you be okay with that, if someone did that and ran in front of your car so you'd kill them?


You expect far too much logic, forethought and good sense from people who are KILLING THEMSELVES!!  Think about it for a minute.  Yeesh. 
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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #91 on: February 05, 2008, 03:13:06 PM »
It doesn't matter. If someone wants to off themselves, they can go for it. You're not going to stop them if that's what they want to do. They'll do it eventually. That's just a hard fact.

But yes, it IS selfish if they traumatize or endanger the lives of other people in doing so. What if the train conductor slammed on the brakes and the train derailed? How does that train conductor feel now, having had their train run someone down while they were at the controls, having seen that happen? Who is going to pay for their psychiatrist?

Just now in MA, a lady ran out into traffic on 495 on purpose so a car would hit her. That's what happened. Would you be okay with that, if someone did that and ran in front of your car so you'd kill them?


You expect far too much logic, forethought and good sense from people who are KILLING THEMSELVES!!  Think about it for a minute.  Yeesh. 

I don't expect logic. I'm just saying it's selfish.

Because really, they're not killing themselves. They're making someone else kill them.

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Re: Military Recruiters = Pornographers in Berkeley
« Reply #92 on: February 05, 2008, 03:15:53 PM »
But they're not even thinking about that.  Because they are too busy being suicidal.  Anyhoo, I'm really trying to say that you can't blame Berkeley attitudes for the selfishness of suicides.  A whole lot more than just left-wing politics going on in brains like those. 
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