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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #75 on: April 01, 2013, 10:03:43 PM »
This definitely explains a lot. I am glad the moderators figured it out.  =D
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #76 on: April 01, 2013, 10:56:45 PM »
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2013, 10:59:06 PM »
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #78 on: April 02, 2013, 12:43:29 AM »
I originally voted for "Soothsayer", myself.  ;)
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #79 on: April 02, 2013, 09:34:33 AM »
I originally voted for "Soothsayer", myself.  ;)

Well, I will note it's not April Fools anymore, so someone ought to let our "FBI Informant" go back undercover.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #80 on: April 02, 2013, 09:54:27 AM »
I must point out to you that I know even less about the killers' parents at Columbine. (And I don't remember their names, BY CHOICE. These sub-human wretches don't even deserve infamy.)

That's not a conspiracy, that just seems to be the way it works. (Same for Virginia Tech, Arizona, Denver, etc...)

The difference is his mother bought the guns. One would think there would be more out there about the woman who armed one of the most horrific mass murderers in our history.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #81 on: April 02, 2013, 10:17:53 AM »
The difference is his mother bought the guns. One would think there would be more out there about the woman who armed one of the most horrific mass murderers in our history.

Yes, but she armed him as a consequence of her own murder.

Reporters also have an aversion to appearing to blame the victim. My guess is that is also at play.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #82 on: April 02, 2013, 01:04:14 PM »
When you get to wife #3 you can call it a quorum, not a conspiracy. =D

It's too bad we have to eat our own, even here.   This forum supposedly bars personal attacks, so you would think that those charged with maintaining order would follow that dictum most scrupulously.   You'd think; you'd be wrong.

A lot about Newtown just doesn't wash, and my view is just that we need to find out why, especially given that this is the straw that is meant to break our backs.   The bogie of "conspiracy theories" is overdone, but why noodle about semantics.  The point is that there are people who will lie, cheat, steal, and murder to further their agenda.  Whether they do this in formal conspiracies, shared agendas, or just as swimmers in the same cultural stream doesn't matter as much as what is being done and why and to whom for what purpose.  There is a lot we don't know, can't know, will never probably know, but we should try to discern its outlines, if only by circumstantial evidence, as well as we can--for our own self-protection.

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As for the Adam Lanza deal, sometimes a cigar 10mm is just a cigar 10mm(0). 

Yes, sometimes meaning can be inferred from firearms purchases/ownership.  For instance, if the only thing you knew about Farmer A was that he owned only a single shot 12ga shotgun and Farmer B that he owned only a single centerfire rifle, odds are that A is from east of the Mississippi and B is more likely from out west.  Does anyone think there is no correlation between military service and Beretta M92 ownership?  RG revolvers, Raven semi-autos and family income?  Multiple comblock rifles (AK, SKS, M-N) in the same cartridge, spam cans of that milsurp cartridge, and preppers?  Not so far-fetched.

FWIW, I am not seeing Lanza's Glock 10mm as anything other than chance/impulse.  I recall one of those Shooter's Bible/Annual Handgun Skinny books that contained 20+ magazine articles plus a catalog of (then) currently produced guns from years back(1).  The author/editor/collator was a big fan of 10mm and Glock 10mm in particular.  LOTs of them available via used books stores.  Perhaps Mama or Adam Lanza read that and went all 10mm Glock-happy.  You know the kinda folks I am talking about.  You may have been the sort of folks I am talking about. 

Of course, what is news and what isn't news has been determined, in large part, by the New York Times for decades.  Even many small-town newspapers look to the NYT for "what is fit to print."  It is no secret that the NYT has always pushed its own agenda and had turned the agenda-pushing knob up to eleven in the last decade or so.  Sometimes it gets a big head of steam behind it (current gun-grabbing bubble, gay pseudo-marriage) and sometimes not so much (Women must be allowed to join Augusta National!).  This can be carried over to the MSM in a more diluted fashion.  MSM, gov't functionaries, policritters, high finance....all pull from the same colleges and end up with similarly-minded folk with many shared assumptions.  You don't need an explicit conspiracy to get the results we see.  Though, there is a conspiracy in many cases.  What was Journolist, but a loose conspiracy by MSM folks to promote their agendas and destroy their enemies?  (Think that has stopped?)  Climategate email & source code releases (I, II, and now III) demonstrate dictionary-definition conspiracy.  Hard to argue, "There is no conspiracy" when conspirators' own communications say otherwise.




(0) FTR, I wish I had bought one of those old S&W 10mm semi-autos when S&W bumped uglies with Clinton and gun shops were shucking off S&W product like prom dresses.

(1) The first such book I ever read as a kid had Bren Ten pistols listed.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #83 on: April 02, 2013, 01:10:54 PM »
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #84 on: April 02, 2013, 02:11:15 PM »
Clique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JjkQSREjxH0#t=30s

Clique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YfjTZLxekig#t=45s

Boom.

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As for the Adam Lanza deal, sometimes a cigar 10mm is just a cigar 10mm(0). 

Yes, sometimes meaning can be inferred from firearms purchases/ownership.  For instance, if the only thing you knew about Farmer A was that he owned only a single shot 12ga shotgun and Farmer B that he owned only a single centerfire rifle, odds are that A is from east of the Mississippi and B is more likely from out west.  Does anyone think there is no correlation between military service and Beretta M92 ownership?  RG revolvers, Raven semi-autos and family income?  Multiple comblock rifles (AK, SKS, M-N) in the same cartridge, spam cans of that milsurp cartridge, and preppers?  Not so far-fetched.

FWIW, I am not seeing Lanza's Glock 10mm as anything other than chance/impulse.  I recall one of those Shooter's Bible/Annual Handgun Skinny books that contained 20+ magazine articles plus a catalog of (then) currently produced guns from years back(1).  The author/editor/collator was a big fan of 10mm and Glock 10mm in particular.  LOTs of them available via used books stores.  Perhaps Mama or Adam Lanza read that and went all 10mm Glock-happy.  You know the kinda folks I am talking about.  You may have been the sort of folks I am talking about. 

Of course, what is news and what isn't news has been determined, in large part, by the New York Times for decades.  Even many small-town newspapers look to the NYT for "what is fit to print."  It is no secret that the NYT has always pushed its own agenda and had turned the agenda-pushing knob up to eleven in the last decade or so.  Sometimes it gets a big head of steam behind it (current gun-grabbing bubble, gay pseudo-marriage) and sometimes not so much (Women must be allowed to join Augusta National!).  This can be carried over to the MSM in a more diluted fashion.  MSM, gov't functionaries, policritters, high finance....all pull from the same colleges and end up with similarly-minded folk with many shared assumptions.  You don't need an explicit conspiracy to get the results we see.  Though, there is a conspiracy in many cases.  What was Journolist, but a loose conspiracy by MSM folks to promote their agendas and destroy their enemies?  (Think that has stopped?)  Climategate email & source code releases (I, II, and now III) demonstrate dictionary-definition conspiracy.  Hard to argue, "There is no conspiracy" when conspirators' own communications say otherwise.




(0) FTR, I wish I had bought one of those old S&W 10mm semi-autos when S&W bumped uglies with Clinton and gun shops were shucking off S&W product like prom dresses.

(1) The first such book I ever read as a kid had Bren Ten pistols listed.


The Glock 10mm was not, repeat not, the primary issue.  I noted that the main triad of weapons N. Lanza owned--Bushmaster, Glock and SIG pistols--suggested a possible government issue.  I opined that it was an unusual selection--not an impossible one--for female shooters.  That's it, the long & the short of it.

Nor did I affirm a conspiracy as such.

And, lastly, your point about the NY Times, JournoList, et al. is not something I disagree with.  But what that points to is that we need a broader definition of "conspiracy" to reflect cultural concurrence. 

What remains, however, is the paucity of hard information to fill out the context of the Sandy Hook event.  And that, to me, indicates that there is more to this than meets the eye.  You may have another opinion.

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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #85 on: April 02, 2013, 02:27:27 PM »
Yes, but she armed him as a consequence of her own murder.

Reporters also have an aversion to appearing to blame the victim. My guess is that is also at play.

No, the sketchy reports we are getting seem to indicate that she provided him access to weapons as well encouragement in the use of them.

If he was emotionally disturbed and prone to outbursts or violence/threats of violence I'm not sure I understand her allowing him access to guns.

She does not at this point seem to be someone we should embrace as representitive of the typical gun owner.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2013, 05:53:01 PM »
Or maybe some Gun Shop Commando pitched her a deal.  "See this 10MM?  The FBI uses these, so you know they are the greatest things since sliced bread.  Plus, this one is on-sale and can be had for the low, low price of.....".
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2013, 07:24:54 PM »
Now HERE's some legal gobbledy-gook for you:

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That the investigation, which was the basis for the issuing of the search warrant, is still continuing. That no arrests have been made and while none are currently anticipated, arrests have not been ruled out and the investigation is fully active and on-going by both state and federal authorities. Additionally:

  • There is information contained in the non-redacted search warrant affidavit and return that is not known to the general public and any potential suspect(s), the disclosure of which would jeopardize the investigation and chances of successfully solving any crime(s) involved;

This was dated March 27 -- that's more than three MONTHS after the crime. The perpetrator and his mother (the source of the guns) are both dead. The police have long since known where the guns were bought, and that they were all purchased legally within Connecticut. What's to protect? Why the secrecy? The crime HAS BEEN solved. This is nothing but a ploy to keep the general public from knowing what the police know until after the legislature has shoved draconian new anti-gun laws through. Once the new laws are in place, the State Police will be only too happy to talk about what they found -- but they won't admit that nothing they found justifies the new laws.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #88 on: April 02, 2013, 07:33:07 PM »
Wife #1 absolutely loved to shoot it.  Wife #2, not so much.

Maybe anecdotal, maybe data.  Who knows? 

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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #89 on: April 03, 2013, 11:04:41 AM »
Remember, "The plural of anecdote is not data."

birdman addressed this rather elegantly in some past post, but in reality the plurality of anecdote IS data.  The difference being in the methodology of collecting the data points/anecdotes.  Empiricism states that knowledge (~data) comes about via observation.  If sloppily and unsystematically collected, that data is not worth much and many more observations are required to see patterns and draw conclusions. OTOH, if the data is collected in a methodologically sound fashion, one might be able to use it with confidence.

Thing is, before the scientific method was codified and before statistics (the discipline) were understood, people were still able to learn things about the world and see patterns.  We would never have been able to come up with the scientific method had our forebears not done so.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #90 on: April 03, 2013, 01:34:23 PM »
birdman addressed this rather elegantly in some past post, but in reality the plurality of anecdote IS data.  The difference being in the methodology of collecting the data points/anecdotes.  Empiricism states that knowledge (~data) comes about via observation.  If sloppily and unsystematically collected, that data is not worth much and many more observations are required to see patterns and draw conclusions. OTOH, if the data is collected in a methodologically sound fashion, one might be able to use it with confidence.

Thing is, before the scientific method was codified and before statistics (the discipline) were understood, people were still able to learn things about the world and see patterns.  We would never have been able to come up with the scientific method had our forebears not done so.

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I'm not really interested in scientifically collecting more data.  :lol:
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2013, 07:12:54 PM »
I've hit my thumb with a hammer a few times.

I'm not really interested in scientifically collecting more data.  :lol:

One part of sound methodology is repeatability.  Looks like you got that covered.
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Re: One Home Search Away From Being Adam Lanza
« Reply #92 on: April 04, 2013, 12:20:18 AM »
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