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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2015, 01:27:02 PM »
Sounds like not just this, but a lot of medical stuff involving human body parts, fluids, etc. is based on the late night TV commercial model of, "get a second widget free! just pay shipping and handling!" (shipping and handling is $99.95).
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2015, 02:57:29 PM »
All true. However, given precedent evidence of staff behavior in PP clinics, I am skeptical of the notion that they are diligent in pursuing truly informed consent.

"Now, this form will let us harvest and distribute the fetus' organs after we've removed it. Please sign on the X."

Typically, the consent forms say something like "I agree that any biological materials from my procedure may be disposed of in accordance with usual medical practices'.  Healthcare has a long history of then trying to turn a profit from this.  Witness the Moore vs. Regents case in California and the Henrietta Lacks case.
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2015, 11:13:15 AM »
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419

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A deceptive video from a conservative group purports to show a Planned Parenthood official discussing prices for the illegal sale of fetal tissue from abortions. But the full, unedited footage and transcript released by the group undermines their sensationalist claims, showing at least three crucial edits that reveal the Planned Parenthood official was instead discussing the reimbursement cost for consensual, legal tissue donations.
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2015, 11:27:49 AM »
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419


Yes, they don't, in ANY WAY, refer to illegal payments disguised as "reimbursement costs." Nor do they, IN ANY WAY, refer to illegally performing a partial birth abortion in order to illegally harvest the human organs by illegally changing the way you do the abortion, per federal law.

You see, she used the correct weasel words about that specific issue, so it's perfectly alright and we're going to ignore the other illegalities disclosed.

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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2015, 12:01:52 PM »
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the Planned Parenthood official was instead discussing the reimbursement cost for consensual, legal tissue donations.

Oh, well, that makes it quite alright. The clinic is merely harvesting and selling the tissues of the people it murders, but one of the parents has consented. Mater familias and all that.
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2015, 12:11:11 PM »
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419

Heh.  Has David Brock cleaned the K-Y off his Glock yet?

https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/271602633?access_key=key-J4WhGKvH9BHyHM061Xni&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

Four pages of a glossy pamphlet targeting PP clinic, with PP endorsement.  Majority of space dedicated to graphics.  Yet the following bits occur:
"Financially Profitable"
"Join the StemExpress program that financially rewards clinics..."
"...providing a financial benefit to your clinic."

Nothing of THIS sort of thing:
"Will reimburse only for the cost of extracting and delivering human tissues."

Anyone not deliberately obtuse understands what is going on here:  PP expects to make moneymoneymoney off dead baby parts above and beyond the cost to "harvest" them. 



I guess from a utilitarian point of view this sort of thing makes sense.  To be sure, Planned Parenthood and its supporters do not stand alone.  To take life unworthy of life and do some good, worthy, scientific research may--in some people's eyes--shine a light of hope on an otherwise unfortunate incident. 


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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2015, 01:36:25 PM »
Has the group that produce the video been charged with a crime yet (any crime will do just to make a point)?
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2015, 04:31:42 PM »
Has the group that produce the video been charged with a crime yet (any crime will do just to make a point)?


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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2015, 04:33:31 PM »
Well, as long as the livers aren't fried then I guess it's okay - can't have all that fat content, you know  ;)
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2015, 11:13:00 PM »
Since when does non-profit stop people within the non-profit from making a profit?  Just because the organization as a whole does not make a profit means very little. 

A Non-Profit =/= NO profit.  You can be a non-profit and still show a gain (and a sizable one at that.  Even if your last name isn't Clinton.)  Year after year, after year.  You just can't disburse the profit to "Shareholders", it either has to be re-invested or used to grow and expand your operation.
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2015, 11:12:20 AM »
A Non-Profit =/= NO profit.  You can be a non-profit and still show a gain (and a sizable one at that.  Even if your last name isn't Clinton.)  Year after year, after year.  You just can't disburse the profit to "Shareholders", it either has to be re-invested or used to grow and expand your operation.


Yes, and/or paid to managers in the form of huge salaries  ;)
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2015, 02:31:49 PM »
And since there is no other way, this thread must be Godwin'd.  It would appear that they have picked up right where Dr. Mengele left off...

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When an outbreak of noma (a gangrenous bacterial disease of the mouth and face) broke out in the Romani camp in 1943, Mengele initiated a study to determine the cause of the disease and develop a treatment. He enlisted the aid of prisoner Dr. Berthold Epstein, a Jewish pediatrician and professor at Prague University. Mengele isolated the patients in a separate barrack and had several afflicted children killed so that their preserved heads and organs could be sent to the SS Medical Academy in Graz and other facilities for study. The research was still ongoing when the Romani camp was liquidated and its remaining occupants killed in 1944

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PP is simply doing the work the WVHA couldn't finish.
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2015, 02:41:48 PM »
And since there is no other way, this thread must be Godwin'd.  It would appear that they have picked up right where Dr. Mengele left off...

It's kind of hard not to Godwin a thread that is discussing gruesome murder and harvesting of human organs.

I suppose we could also compare them just as easily to the Japanese experiments in WWII. Somehow that's not taboo.
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2015, 04:05:59 PM »
It's kind of hard not to Godwin a thread that is discussing gruesome murder and harvesting of human organs.

I suppose we could also compare them just as easily to the Japanese experiments in WWII. Somehow that's not taboo.

How's about Niwdog(1) a thread?  When the original topic starts off so heinous and gruesome that even a Nazi might be expected to be taken aback.


(1) Niwdogging?  Sounds like "New Dog"
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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2015, 04:31:05 PM »
How's about Niwdog(1) a thread?  When the original topic starts off so heinous and gruesome that even a Nazi might be expected to be taken aback.


(1) Niwdogging?  Sounds like "New Dog"

That's like a "reverse Godwin"?
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2015, 04:40:15 PM »
That's like a "reverse Godwin"?

Yep, or extra-Godwin territory.  Something that might get a Nazi to go, "Now hold on, might you be going a bit too far with that?"
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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2015, 04:43:21 PM »
A Non-Profit =/= NO profit.  You can be a non-profit and still show a gain (and a sizable one at that.  Even if your last name isn't Clinton.)  Year after year, after year.  You just can't disburse the profit to "Shareholders", it either has to be re-invested or used to grow and expand your operation.

Considering the scope of their operations, I figure it'd be a bit like the boy scouts and many other non-profit organizations:

They're always looking for ways to make a 'profit' or save money, but when they do it's simply used to provide more benefits.


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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2015, 04:53:15 PM »
Considering the scope of their operations, I figure it'd be a bit like the boy scouts and many other non-profit organizations:

They're always looking for ways to make a 'profit' or save money, but when they do it's simply used to provide more benefits kill more babies.



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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2015, 05:59:38 PM »
How's about Niwdog(1) a thread?  When the original topic starts off so heinous and gruesome that even a Nazi might be expected to be taken aback.


(1) Niwdogging?  Sounds like "New Dog"

Yeah, sort of like how you can't really Godwin a thread on Stalin. His body count, like PPs, is higher.
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2015, 06:03:49 PM »
Considering the scope of their operations, I figure it'd be a bit like the boy scouts and many other non-profit organizations:

They're always looking for ways to make a 'profit' or save money, but when they do it's simply used to provide more benefits.



Does the top paid admin of the BSA make $500K a year?
Does the BSA get Federal money?
I'm thinking comparing the BSA and PP is kind of like comparing apples and tarantulas.
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2015, 07:28:19 PM »
Does the top paid admin of the BSA make $500K a year?
Does the BSA get Federal money?
I'm thinking comparing the BSA and PP is kind of like comparing apples and tarantulas.


Actually, top exec of the BSA makes huge salary too:

http://www.ocregister.com/taxdollars/strong-477017-span-style.html

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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2015, 11:09:21 PM »
Clair - any chance it's time?
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2015, 05:46:04 PM »
Either it's a worthless blob of amorphous tissue, or it has identifiable characteristics (like organs developed enough to discretely identify) and it's a person.

Or ... there are other criteria for determining personhood.
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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2015, 05:55:15 PM »
Or ... there are other criteria for determining personhood.

I was speaking directly to how planned parenthood, etc. define "person", or more precisely, "fetus". 
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Re: Fresh Baby Livers for Sale!: Planned Parenthood Hawks Baby Body Parts
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2015, 10:47:44 AM »
What do you expect? The mental contortions and searing of ones conscience necessary to dehumanize the offspring in the womb will necessary lead to this end. The abortion is in the middle of the path to ruin. The beginning was when the wrong moral path was chosen, it then led to the widespread acceptance of abortion. Now that it is normalized we recoil from where this path leads us?

If the young unborn one is not a human being worthy of dignity and respect then why not part it out? Is parting it out really any worse than putting it in a plastic bag and disposing of it as medical waste?

The false outrage over this by those who support the practice of abortion is as disgusting as the practice itself IMHO.
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