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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2008, 01:54:13 PM »
I see why McCain isn't campaigning much.  He's just letting BO self-destruct.  rolleyes

Somehow I just don't believe Obama is going to self destruct.  He is going to lend new meaning to the term "teflon" as it is applied to politicians.
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2008, 02:36:27 PM »
I see why McCain isn't campaigning much.  He's just letting BO self-destruct.  rolleyes

Somehow I just don't believe Obama is going to self destruct.  He is going to lend new meaning to the term "teflon" as it is applied to politicians.

He is likely to self-destruct, its just a large part of the media is going to deny it ever took place.
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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2008, 02:51:05 PM »
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2008, 07:13:53 PM »
What's changed since the '60s and the Carter eras is the demographic make-up of America and several decades of dramatic culture changes.  We should have paid more attention to internal metamorphosis while we were basking in the Reagan glow, methinks.  "History" didn't end, it went sour.  Obama is going to divide America at its heart, probably irreversibly, perhaps terminally.  That is what I believe.  He would be the first President in our history to run on the premise that the country he governs is, at root, a bad nation that needs to atone for its manifest sins and humble itself before the rest of the globe.  My own personal belief is that his deepest sympathies lie not with America as a whole but with "People of Color."  He is here to avenge his father's spirit, and I think we know by now that Barack Sr was a Kenyan Marxist of uncertain moral character who abandoned little Barack.  What ought to be the stuff of psychotherapy has become, alas, the stuff of Presidential aspirations and perhaps actual policy.  The Nightmare looms just ahead of us if a whole lot of Americans don't come to their senses by November.
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2008, 07:21:32 PM »
For me the big question is... Do you think he actually knows that all those people CAN'T actually vote for him? grin
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2008, 08:23:47 PM »
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.

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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2008, 08:34:47 PM »
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.
Soros?

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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2008, 08:39:53 PM »
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.
Soros?

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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2008, 08:51:12 PM »
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.
Soros?

*DING!*



(He's right there in a blue shirt at one of Obama's messiah-like appearances.)
Goes to show that the good die young, and the evil seems to live forever...

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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2008, 05:54:03 AM »
We have heard, repeatedly, that Communism and Socialism are "failed philosophies."  We were told that Reagan ended "history."

Well, that was pretty foolish, wasn't it?

In the end it will come down to who cares more and who's willing to sacrifice more.

We are supposed to have the affluent on our side, but we can't get a grass-roots movement going to raise megabucks or a YouTube propaganda blitz?

And where is our Soros?  Or Soroi? 

We need to do some serious soul-searching to ask ourselves how we wound up with a McCain and a whole lot of apathy circling around a "silent majority" that seems frankly baffled by the energy and momentum of this new political wave.
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2008, 06:05:12 AM »
The issue, to me, is how what ought to be a small nutty movement easily marginalized by sensible and responsible adults has grown into a monster that threatens to overturn much of our political and social and moral life.

THAT is what should concern us.  Not that there are Obamas, because there have always been and always been Obamas.  But how this Obama, right now, has become so damnably powerful and so close to actually being on the verge of winning the highest office on the planet.  Unless we really come to grips with this phenomenon and understand it, we cannot defeat it and we are going to be unable to figure out the actions needed to combat it.

If all it took was McCain saying, hey, I'm 71, a war hero, and I know the score, this wouldn't even be a contest.

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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2008, 06:30:47 AM »
I think the point of going over there was to show that he could be a president that people from other countries would like.
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2008, 06:34:43 AM »
I think the point of going over there was to show that he could be a president that people from other countries would like.

Why is that a priority in any way or form? Europe would "like" a weaker US. That's what they'd "like".

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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2008, 06:48:12 AM »
The point of going over there was to apologize for America, to let the Euros know that if he's elected they can expect a kinder, gentler, humbler, weaker America.  He will be the first non-America-centric America President.  That's been the undercurrent of Obama's position there and here from the beginning.  He has grave doubts about the integrity of the American core and he's made that clear many times, although recently he's tried to soften the blow a bit by throwing in bracing platitudes about our national accomplishments and his affection for our land.  The problem with Obama is that he doesn't like America much more than Michelle does, and his heart is with the American "underclass," especially people of color.  He's got race on the brain.  We ought to know that from his own books by now.  If the American middle-class can't see what this guy's all about and where he wants to take us, well then...

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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2008, 06:55:14 AM »
We don't have a conservative Soros because...

Our rightwing plutocrats are more interested in developing new derivatives or in 'scoping out real estate in the Caymans or installing better security systems on the estate...?

Maybe the most successful amongst us just aren't that interested in liberty, only in "asset preservation?"

When not even guys like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett seem too excited about preserving liberty and capitalism, well, you have to wonder a little, don't you?  Instead of creating a foundation to encourage entrepreneurism, Gates creates yet another foundation that will inevitably fund the very people who despise the things that made him rich.
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« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2008, 07:23:06 AM »
Uh, isn't that like letting cancer "run its course?"  undecided
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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2008, 07:57:29 AM »
I think the point of going over there was to show that he could be a president that people from other countries would like.

Why is that a priority in any way or form? Europe would "like" a weaker US. That's what they'd "like".
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« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2008, 08:07:01 AM »
Along with the news of this Berlin thing, there was also the little fact that Obama canceled visits to troops in Germany.  The story I heard was that the trips were canceled after the military told he couldn't bring the media with him. 
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2008, 08:08:50 AM »
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But how this Obama, right now, has become so damnably powerful and so close to actually being on the verge of winning the highest office on the planet.  Unless we really come to grips with this phenomenon and understand it, we cannot defeat it and we are going to be unable to figure out the actions needed to combat it.

Obama and his ilk play to the motives and emotions that our society had drilled into us from a very young age for several generations.  "Help thy neighbor; be kind and caring for the less fortunate; give to charity, et alii...".  Unfortunately this culture seems to have forgotten the other side of the coin with those noble virtues, namely being responsible for yourself and your actions; sometimes you have to be cruel and let the foolish suffer the pains of their folly to be kind and teach them to not do that again.

Hope, change and a brighter future are good comfortable positions where the voters can feel good about what they are doing, despite the actuality of the message bearer being completely at odds with what this nation was once about.  Makeing the hard choices, 'specially about those "less fortunate" are uncomfortable places to be, fraught with self doubt and inner struggle about the correctness of such choices.  Better to go with Hope, Change and all that rot.  And if it turns sour?  "Well, I did it with the best intentions..."

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We don't have a conservative Soros because...

Those who actually believe in the cause of freedom and that which once made this nation great are labeled as "out of touch with reality", their supporters given funny names on public forums, and are depicted in the mass media as nut cases who you just know will lead us into the darkness.
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« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2008, 08:26:04 AM »
S., what you say is true.

What I meant was the time has come to name name and identify, specifically, the groups and institutions that are behind the destruction of our liberty.

We are being undone by our civility and good will, as you imply.

But these "messages" have come from certain places.  Let's name just one: our school system, all the way from K through grad school.  If we sit by and allow propaganda to displace education, we can kiss America goodbye.  It may already be too late.

We live in a media age where drug addicts, thugs, and whores are the objects of constant public attention.  Meanwhile, a man like McCain lives in a cocoon of modesty.  I don't mean to mock the man; I rather admire his sober and stoical Roman virtue.   But if Obama had a son in Iraq and another in Annapolis, would we not be hearing about it night and day, day and night?

If we don't wish to play by the rules of the new game, we will end up having no choice but to overturn the chess board altogether...
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2008, 05:52:09 AM »
Seen quite a few of Obama shirts for sale in a couple of Urban wear stores while walking in the Baltimore inner harbor yesterday.  Wish I would of taken pictures of them because they looked alot like the flyer.  Only thing missing was a hammer and sickle.

BTW, I went into one of them shops and asked if they had any McCain shirts for sale and boy did they get all pissed off.  grin




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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2008, 09:24:21 AM »
agricola for the win.  Ouch.
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2008, 09:39:42 AM »
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What ought to be the stuff of psychotherapy has become, alas, the stuff of Presidential aspirations and perhaps actual policy.
Unfortunately, all the Dems can seem to pick and run are candidates with "daddy issues" (WJC, BHO).



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And where is our Soros?  Or Soroi? 

His name is Charles Koch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_G._Koch
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Koch is a libertarian and supports many free-market organizations such as the Cato Institute, which he founded together with Edward H. Crane and Murray Rothbard in 1977. Koch also funds the highly selective Charles G. Koch Summer Fellow Program through the Institute for Humane Studies.

Not enough of the industrialists are as unapologetic in their love of country and liberty as CGK.  Too many Bill Gateses who think that "doing good as you do well" means supporting socialism.
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Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2008, 07:11:17 AM »
And yes, the flyer is scary. Even scarier than those old posters.

Who are these Germans that are flocking to Herr Obama?  I lived in Germany for fourteen years.  Anyone who was at that time in his or her 30s or older knew enough history not to trust such propaganda.  Those people are now in their 50s and 60s.  Most people this age do not go to rallies.  We're too tired from getting through each day.

If we don't stop it, it will be worse than what happened to the unsuspecting Germans during the Weimar Republic.

Most Germans have no clue as to what life in America is actually like, or what those of who think actually think.  There is a naive snobbery amongst Europeans that all Americans are noisy, naive, sloppy, self-indulgent, ignorant, uncultured....  Many of their accusations are true.  But, it was true enough during the Weimar Republic about the Germans themselves that a failed, self-indulgent art student from Austria, a foreigner, charmed them with slick talk by telling enough truth to mesmerize enough people to make Germany forget itself and become hypnotized.  Obama-devotees are just as hypnotized.  The same money-snakes bankrolled and put Hitler in power, who put MLK, JR. in power, and now are putting forth the same scheme with Obama.

It is tragic how many elderly, Anglo-Saxon women are also mesmerized by such snakiness.

I'm glad you gentlemen are here, and telling the truth.

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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2008, 07:27:16 AM »
Good post.  Foolishness isn't the monopoly of any nation.

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Unfortunately, all the Dems can seem to pick and run are candidates with "daddy issues" (WJC, BHO).

Yeah, but it's not just the Dems.

This is why we're in the mess we're in.   The entire political class has become a psychiatric playpen.
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