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McCain needs Rove
« on: July 27, 2008, 10:03:07 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/27/preston.mccain/index.html

Some thoughts from Ben Stein, to include comments on Bueller.

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Ben Stein says he knows how Sen. John McCain can win in November: Karl Rove.

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"Mr. McCain is running the absolute most pathetic campaign I have ever seen in my whole life," Stein said in his unmistakable monotone delivery. "His campaign is just heartbreakingly pathetic. He is a very impressive guy. He is a brave guy, but he is running the most lackluster campaign I have ever seen in my entire life. I would have thought Bob Dole's campaign would have set a record for poor campaigns, but this one is even worse. I mean it is shocking."

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While Stein identifies himself as a Republican, he certainly does not always march in lockstep with GOP leadership. For example, Stein is backing Al Franken's bid for the Senate. That's right, that Al Franken, the liberal Democratic comedian who is seeking to oust incumbent Republican Sen. Norm Coleman in Minnesota.

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" The economy: "We are in a psychological recession. People think times are really, really bad, but it is an amazing thing if you are out there among them: the hotels are full, the airlines are full, the high-end shops are full, the Wal-Mart is really, really, really full, the highways are full, the trains are full. But on the other hand, clearly some portions of the economy are suffering terribly."


Exactly.  It is a recession because the MSM and Democrats say we are in one and people buy that crap.

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" Liberal Hollywood cocktail parties: "I used to go there, and people would make cruel fun of me and bait me and want to start arguing with me, and who needs that crap?"

"In fact, there are actually Republican groups now that have parties in Hollywood, and I don't go to their parties, either, because, frankly, I work so incredibly hard, and I am on the road so much that when I am home I want to be in bed with my dogs and not -- and my wife too -- and not out talking to some people at a party."

Notice how he had to remember his wife.  A very smart and interesting man.


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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 05:59:00 AM »
I think McCain is already listening to Rove; that's why he continues to court the illegal alien groups and the fabled "Hispanic vote" rather than do what someone like Pat Buchanan has advised him, to go after the latent Reagan Democrats who are fed up with the trends started by Clinton and continued by Bush.  Rove isn't the answer to anything.
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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 06:02:51 AM »
I can't figure out why he just doesn't go for some simple, resonating messages.

"We are not Europe. Europeans are our allies, but we are PROUD to be American. We fought to separate ourselves from Europe, and we are not part of Europe. People all over the world want to come here, to our shores, to the greatest country in the world. Be proud."

That would have completely wiped out Obama's Eurozone cheering crowds.

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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2008, 06:06:14 AM »
I can't figure out why he just doesn't go for some simple, resonating messages.

"We are not Europe. Europeans are our allies, but we are PROUD to be American. We fought to separate ourselves from Europe, and we are not part of Europe. People all over the world want to come here, to our shores, to the greatest country in the world. Be proud."



Because McCain is a man of compromise, not of principle.
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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 06:59:07 AM »
I can't figure out why he just doesn't go for some simple, resonating messages.

"We are not Europe. Europeans are our allies, but we are PROUD to be American. We fought to separate ourselves from Europe, and we are not part of Europe. People all over the world want to come here, to our shores, to the greatest country in the world. Be proud."



Because McCain is a man of compromise, not of principle.

In that case, he needs to hire James Carville......

Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 07:07:55 AM »
Because he's a compromiser.

And because on some level he "likes" Obama and maybe even thinks he's right about some of what he says.

We live in strange times.
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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 09:04:51 AM »
I STILL say McCain doesn't really want to win . . .
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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 06:13:37 PM »
IMO Karl Rove is the sharpest politician of this century. He got Bush elected. McCain would do well to hire him.

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Re: McCain needs Rove like a hole in the head
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 06:50:24 PM »
 Obama is not the only appeaser.  Memo to McCain: Go for the Reagan Democrats.  Wise up. 

The McCain-Latino disconnect

David Paul KuhnSun Jul 27, 6:36 PM ET

GOP strategist Bill McInturff has long emphasized that earning 40 percent of the Hispanic vote is critical for Republicans to win. Today, McInturff is John McCains pollster, and by his metric McCain has a serious Latino problem.

While he earned the support of about seven in ten Hispanics in his last Arizona Senate race, a Pew Hispanic Center poll released Thursday shows that just 23 percent of Latinos intend to vote for McCain in the presidential contest, barely half of the four in ten Latino voters who exit polls showed voted for President Bush in 2004.

You have to understand in a way that the Republican party is damaged among Hispanics, conceded Hessy Fernandez, McCains spokesperson for Hispanic media. But at the end of day, its the contrast between Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama.

McCains problem looks to be most pronounced among Protestant Latinos, who had seemed to be the GOPs doorway into the Hispanic population. From 2000 to 2004, Protestant Latinos increased their share of the total Hispanic electorate from 25 percent to 32 percent, in large part because of Bushs evangelical outreach and strategic microtargeting of the community. Even as turnout increased, support for Bush among the group rose from 44 percent in 2000 to 56 percent in 2004.

The Pew poll, however, shows that only a third of Protestant or Evangelical Hispanics intend to vote for McCain, while 59 percent support Obama  who also enjoys a 50-percentage-point lead among Catholic Latinos, long a solid bloc of the Democratic coalition.

While McCain and Bush have similar views on most social issues, including abortion, McCain's candidacy may mark a return to an era of blue-blooded Republicans less vocal about their religious beliefs. Barack Obama, by contrast, speaks comfortably and frequently about his faith.

The biggest reason for the shift, though, has been the heated debate over immigration reform that has alienated many Hispanic voters previously receptive to the GOP  and that nearly cost McCain, a co-sponsor of the bipartisan 2006 immigration reform bill that inflamed conservatives, his partys nomination.

In the 2006 midterm election, exit polls showed Latino support for Democrats had increased by 16 percentage points from 2004, compared to a six-percentage-point increase among whites.

While McCains support of the immigration bill  which was eventually voted down  appealed to many Hispanics, it infuriated some conservatives. McCain, his campaign then floundering, promised primary voters that he had got the message, vowed to prioritize enforcement and even claimed he wouldnt have voted for his own bill it if was to have come up again.

The shift in tone placated conservatives while infuriating many Hispanics.

Luis Cortes, one of Time Magazines 25 most influential evangelicals in America and twice an early Bush backer  in 2000, Bush visited Cortes at his North Philadelphia office to court his support  hasnt yet decided who to back this year.

Im going to vote brown, Cortes said.

 

McCains problem is the problem of his party demonizing Hispanic people, Cortes said. His party demonized us. You cant switch off the immigration rhetoric and think it will work. In the context of the immigration issue, Hispanics define the enemy as the Republican Party and you dont erase that overnight.

Bush didnt have to overcome his partys position on immigration and I think thats the difference, said Cortes, who heads the Christian social service group Nueva Esperanza (New Hope).

The Republican party stance on immigration may not be clear until the platform is completed, and Cortes said he may wait to read the platform before deciding whether or not to leave the GOP.

Do the border fence overnight, do it first, fine, he said. Then get to work on immigration reform in the first year.

Tony Fabrizio, who worked as Bob Doles presidential campaign pollster in 1996, emphasized that no single measure of support is decisive. McCain can make up the difference he said, by increasing his support among whites,.

Such compensation is made easier by continued low turnout among Hispanics, despite many organizations devoted to organizing the Latino electorate. In 2004 there were 41.3 million Hispanics in the United States but only 16 million were eligible voters, and only 39 percent of those eligible actually cast a ballot, as compared to 76 percent of whites and 65 percent of blacks.

Hispanics, who made up eight percent of the electorate in 2004, have remained a white whale of American politics because of the groups many eligible but unregistered voters, and the many native-born children of illegal immigrants who will become eligible voters at 18. They are also clustered in several swing states  in 2004, 15 percent of Florida voters and as many as one-third of the voters in New Mexico were Hispanic.

On Wednesday, the Obama campaign announced its first media buy of the general election on Hispanic radio in Florida, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada. Obama has not yet purchased advertising on Hispanic television, while the McCain campaign has been up for months on both TV and radio.

Those ads, though, have yet to move his numbers much. Both Gallup and Pew show his support to be fairly steady at and 10 percentage points less than Bushs in the summer of 2004.

You begin with the anti-immigrant legislation that came out of the House and jump started a level of activism in the Latino community that we had not seen ever, said Adam Segal, director of the Hispanic Voter Project at Johns Hopkins University and you add to that the favorable political environment for Democrats in general, and its hard, he said, to see McCains numbers among Hispanics improving.

This cycle is extremely favorable to Obama and the Democrats, Segal, who then paused before emphasizing extremely.
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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 11:10:39 PM »
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Im going to vote brown, Cortes said.

This is possibly the most disgusting phrase I have yet read on this forum.

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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 12:14:09 AM »
The current "frontrunner" campaigns are are such pathetic cherades I have all but stopped reading anything about them at all. History is most certainly repeating itself once again.

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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 05:48:23 AM »


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Im going to vote brown, Cortes said.
This is possibly the most disgusting phrase I have yet read on this forum.

And one of the most honest, unfortunately. 

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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 10:56:24 AM »
Actually the sharpest republican strategist in my lifetime was Lee Atwater.
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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 11:12:19 AM »


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Im going to vote brown, Cortes said.
This is possibly the most disgusting phrase I have yet read on this forum.

And one of the most honest, unfortunately. 

Because nations tend to survive rampant tribalism.

Oh, wait. No, they don't.

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Re: McCain needs Rove
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 02:42:37 PM »
Socialism is tribalism with heavy machinery (that usually isn't running too well).
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