Questions Arise About Anti-Islam Filmmaker

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://articles.boston.com/2012-09-15/nation/33843799_1_bank-fraud-probation-violation-case-probation-officer/2


so to recap

so far zero actual penalties have been imposed
though that seems likely to change

[longeyes]

And how many (or what percentage) parolees get hauled in for violating their parole ??   Damn few, unless they interfere with the president's re-election campaign.

Forest, meet Tree.

This.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

This.

you didn't look at the link?  or did you heed my warning and not open it?  the answer is 55%

[makattak]

Just one question here. How many people have the FBI visit them in the middle of the night with the entire media in tow for a "parole violation?"

Exactly what jurisdiction does the FBI have here?

[MicroBalrog]

or the fact that contrary to the gestalts consensus hes not in some suspicious minority if he does get violated?

You can be violated for quitting your job, even if its to take a better one. I know a guy violated for marrying the women he'd lived with for 20 years and had 3 kids with. He needed permission. You can be free white and 21 and get violated for 1 sip of beer. They take extra time to explain the details.

In your world "it's okay, we do this sort of thing to everybody" makes everything better?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Just one question here. How many people have the FBI visit them in the middle of the night with the entire media in tow for a "parole violation?"

Exactly what jurisdiction does the FBI have here?

federal probation

and did the fbi show up in the middle of the night?  or are we using artistic license    try seeing what really happened

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

In your world "it's okay, we do this sort of thing to everybody" makes everything better?

you don't have to take parole  they outline the conditions and you agree to them?  why do you hate personal choice and responsibility?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

why look  he even gets an escort home after he came in to see the authorities  theres that preferential treatment again
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/15/anti-muslim-filmmaker-reportedly-under-police-questioning-for-parole-violations/

so when did the fbi grab him in the middle of the night with the media again?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

awful lotta b/s being slung  an observation?  if you gotta sling b/s to support your position?  you need to reevaluate your position.

[ronnyreagan]

Just one question here. How many people have the FBI visit them in the middle of the night with the entire media in tow for a "parole violation?"

The media was there well before the "midnight visit" and it doesn't exactly sound like the authorities are unwelcome.

Nakoula reportedly requested deputies step up patrols around his home Wednesday after media descended on the area

[RoadKingLarry]

So, back to the amateur film maker...
Do we hold him accountable for causing the "spontaneous protests" ?
From all accounts I've heard there were no calls to action in the video, only insults against the prophet and the religion.
Are we ready to join some other nations and decide it's illegal to offend someone? Who gets to decide what's offensive? Will we start arresting political candidates if they criticize their opponent? Write a letter to the editor about something that might be controversial and go to jail?
Where do we draw the line?

[French G.]

Here, I'll decide what's offensive. Overrunning sovereign territory and killing embassy staff is damned offensive. I'm not up for the glass parking lot treatment, but examples need to be made. Next embassy that is besieged like that let the Marines do what Marines do. Roast the perimeter with an AC-130 if necessary. Most powerful nation in the world.  Not with this idiot at the helm;/

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

So, back to the amateur film maker...
Do we hold him accountable for causing the "spontaneous protests" ?
From all accounts I've heard there were no calls to action in the video, only insults against the prophet and the religion.
Are we ready to join some other nations and decide it's illegal to offend someone? Who gets to decide what's offensive? Will we start arresting political candidates if they criticize their opponent? Write a letter to the editor about something that might be controversial and go to jail?
Where do we draw the line?

Hes good but he needs be careful if he travels internationally . 1st amendment is not international

[RoadKingLarry]

Hes good but he needs be careful if he travels internationally . 1st amendment is not international

No *expletive deleted*it captain obvious. 

I'm seeing way too many people blaming the film maker for the deaths instead of the savages actually responsible. My one ultra-liberal friend wants to see the guy up on murder or accessory to murder charges over it. I see her friend's replies  on Facebook with the same kind of mind set.

[brimic]

Hes good but he needs be careful if he travels internationally . 1st amendment is not international

Islamic Jihadis are though.

[geronimotwo]

I know that this will get me committed, but.....

I think that the entire thing was planned from front to back.

The film makers had planned with ME groups to get Islamic people fired up using the video.
US actors in the film said that their spoken lines were nowhere near as political as the final over-dubbing.
They would then hunker down behind the US 1A, and cause internal fighting as our politicl factions fought each other about 1A freedom vs. government interdiction.

The trailer was then dropped on Youtube, the the ME agitators then went to work translating and sharing the video amongst their factions.
I believe that the Youtube views were less than 10,000 right after this started.
All of these muslims are pissed about the video, and the view count is low?
I'll bet that they already had copies that began circulating within the ME.
Cripe, the original went up on Youtube in July!

All of these actions were planned and coordinated, culminating in attacks on US embassies throughout the ME.

i have to admit that something along these lines were runnung through my head.   i wonder if the department of justice is thinking the same? 

[longeyes]

you didn't look at the link?  or did you heed my warning and not open it?  the answer is 55%

The percentage is irrelevant.  What matters is the motive behind the inculpation.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The percentage is irrelevant.  What matters is the motive behind the inculpation.

wait  the percentage is irrelevant?!  that was the question posed by your fellow believers.   now that the answer isn't what you want to hear its irrelevant?

[longeyes]

It's irrelevant because the criminal record of the filmmaker is not the issue here, it's freedom of speech and political cause & effect.  Is this going to be the front door to criminalizing all political "hate speech?"  Looks like.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It's irrelevant because the criminal record of the filmmaker is not the issue here, it's freedom of speech and political cause & effect.  Is this going to be the front door to criminalizing all political "hate speech?"  Looks like.

if your favorite meth maker was being popped for what he said that might have meaning  but ironically hes not so its irrelevant

you got anything at all?

[Ron]

if your favorite meth maker was being popped for what he said that might have meaning  but ironically hes not so its irrelevant

you got anything at all?

If the administrations response to events was appropriate and didn't focus on the film then the attention from the authorities wouldn't seem so ominous.

Consider this, the administration and most of the media are falling on the wrong side of the free speech issue here by focusing on it and providing the thugs moral cover. If not by their actions by their rhetoric for sure. The attention by the authorities he is receiving seems to be a shot across the bow of any other rabble rousers who might decide to defame Allah and his prophet Mohamed.  

A billion Muslims did not riot and cause mayhem because of this film. Why is the administration kowtowing to the extremist screaming beards?  

If they are concerned about appearances, they might want to consider how their comments and actions regarding this film speak to their commitment to free speech.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

great points.  and correctly you observe the admins job one is to make itself look good

[longeyes]

if your favorite meth maker was being popped for what he said that might have meaning  but ironically hes not so its irrelevant

you got anything at all?

What I got is the awareness that this is an administration built on mendacity and manipulation.  In a sane world most of them would resign ASAP and live in perpetual disgrace.  I don't expect that to happen.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

and the bank fraud convict is relevant how?
 

[Scout26]

you didn't look at the link?  or did you heed my warning and not open it?  the answer is 55%

Do you back up documentation or did you pull that number out of your fourth point of contact?