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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MechAg94 on February 17, 2024, 10:31:23 PM
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Warning: No one was physically harmed in this incident.
Acorn Scares Cop Into MAG DUMPING Handcuffed Suspect!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxyHsBHKiw
‘I’M DAMAGED FOR LIFE:’ Okaloosa man recalls deputies shooting at him in patrol car, handcuffed and unarmed
https://www.wkrg.com/northwest-florida/okaloosa-county/okaloosa-county-deputy-resigned-in-december-after-officer-involved-shooting/
Hernandez then approached the passenger side rear door of his patrol vehicle to do a secondary search of Jackson when he heard a pop sound, which he thought was a gunshot, and believed he had been hit, according to an OCSO news release.
Hernandez yelled “shots fired” multiple times, fell to the ground, rolled and began firing in the patrol car, according to body camera footage of the incident.
Sgt. Beth Roberts then began firing into the vehicle in response to the perceived threat after she saw Hernandez’s response, reaction, and fear for his life.
Jackson escaped injury, and no weapon was located, the OCSO said.
Donut's raw police footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHY5JlvQG4A
44 page Sheriff's report
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf
This story gets my attention in multiple ways, but at least we aren't talking about a handcuffed man shot by deputies. I can't imagine the leadership trying to twist things to not make it look like an execution. Sort of takes the "He's Coming Right For Us!!" argument and adds cocaine. Donut did say the deputy resigned. Aside from him, what they hell was the other officer shooting at? She had no target at all and could easily have shot her partner (same for him). They were both lucky they didn't actually hurt anyone. Even so, attempted murder or manslaughter ought to be in the cards. It would be for anyone else.
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Aside from him, what they hell was the other officer shooting at? She had no target at all and could easily have shot her partner (same for him).
My understanding is they ruled she acted reasonably. Her partner said he was hit and started firing at the suspect. She could have assumed something must have transpired that resulted in the suspect being able to shoot from inside the car. Kind of questionable since she didn't have an obvious target, other than the car in general. I'm glad nobody was hit, inside or outside the car. Can you imagine if she was a better shot and had killed the guy who later would be found to be unarmed and handcuffed?
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Warning: No one was physically harmed in this incident.
Acorn Scares Cop Into MAG DUMPING Handcuffed Suspect!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxyHsBHKiw
‘I’M DAMAGED FOR LIFE:’ Okaloosa man recalls deputies shooting at him in patrol car, handcuffed and unarmed
https://www.wkrg.com/northwest-florida/okaloosa-county/okaloosa-county-deputy-resigned-in-december-after-officer-involved-shooting/
Donut's raw police footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHY5JlvQG4A
44 page Sheriff's report
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf
This story gets my attention in multiple ways, but at least we aren't talking about a handcuffed man shot by deputies. I can't imagine the leadership trying to twist things to not make it look like an execution. Sort of takes the "He's Coming Right For Us!!" argument and adds cocaine. Donut did say the deputy resigned. Aside from him, what they hell was the other officer shooting at? She had no target at all and could easily have shot her partner (same for him). They were both lucky they didn't actually hurt anyone. Even so, attempted murder or manslaughter ought to be in the cards. It would be for anyone else.
So the idiot deputy was a West Point graduate, and Army officer, and special forces for ten years.
Doesn't leave me feeling all warm and fuzzy if he's representative of who's protecting my country.
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And after all the excitement and first mag dump, it sure looked like he left his reload on the ground, and was pointing an unloaded weapon at the "threat". anyone else catch that?
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Missed that. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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If he gets back to regular duty he should be required to drive the bullet riddled cruiser for the rest of his career.
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So the idiot deputy was a West Point graduate, and Army officer, and special forces for ten years.
Doesn't leave me feeling all warm and fuzzy if he's representative of who's protecting my country.
He was the only one professional enough to have a firearm . . .
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My understanding is they ruled she acted reasonably. Her partner said he was hit and started firing at the suspect. She could have assumed something must have transpired that resulted in the suspect being able to shoot from inside the car. Kind of questionable since she didn't have an obvious target, other than the car in general. I'm glad nobody was hit, inside or outside the car. Can you imagine if she was a better shot and had killed the guy who later would be found to be unarmed and handcuffed?
I skipped to the end of the report where it said she was exonerated. I just thought she should have gone around to her partner where she might see what was happening. In hindsight, she wouldn't have seen anything since her partner wasn't shot. I assume since he partner claimed he was shot and shot up his own car, they decided she didn't deserve any blame. Fair point I guess.
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I also noted from the article, the woman reported the suspect had a suppressor when she called the cops. I assume these officers were told that. Must have freaked this officer out a bit and gone to his head.
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I also noted from the article, the woman reported the suspect had a suppressor when she called the cops. I assume these officers were told that. Must have freaked this officer out a bit and gone to his head.
The cop said he thought he heard a suppressed weapon being fired.
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Ha ha - the cop started his own version of the Dickens Drill. :rofl:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1759601858392314251
Also, I found a longer video that shows the ongoing response. The cop keeps talking about being hit, but none of the responding officers are checking him out.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1757536607572279482
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If he gets back to regular duty he should be required to drive the bullet riddled cruiser for the rest of his career.
I saw somewhere in the links that he had resigned. I assume it was out of embarrassment and to avoid disciplinary action. Given the suspect's lawsuit, he can't leave it behind just yet.
After things are all settled, I hope the guy finds another line of work.
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I skipped to the end of the report where it said she was exonerated. I just thought she should have gone around to her partner where she might see what was happening. In hindsight, she wouldn't have seen anything since her partner wasn't shot. I assume since he partner claimed he was shot and shot up his own car, they decided she didn't deserve any blame. Fair point I guess.
I disagree, and it's my only real complaint with how TPTB responded.
I was on board as she drew her weapon, moved to cover, and started talking to her partner. I even understand taking the whole "I'm Hit!" at face value in the moment. But I can't get past her firing her weapon when she had no target. Even if we let her assume the suspect in the back of the car had a gun and was shooting at her partner, she had no idea where he was, and no shot at a threat. I can't excuse popping off rounds in American towns without a clear threat being targeted. That car isn't stopping those bullets, and there's a parking lot and buildings back there.
She made a mistake (Fired at not a threat) and broke a safety rule doing it (Know your target and what's beyond it). She should face some repercussions for that. Not necessarily being fired or anything, but she shouldn't have been told she was correct.
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Those 2 front teeth look like they would do a good job on a "nut".
From what I have heard elsewhere, the "I'm hit! cry-baby didn't wait to be fired - he resigned on his own. [popcorn]
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Those 2 front teeth look like they would do a good job on a "nut".
From what I have heard elsewhere, the "I'm hit! cry-baby didn't wait to be fired - he resigned on his own. [popcorn]
Regarding your first remark, I don't know whether to congratulate you on not having a dirty mind, or wonder whether I'm missing something about the role of teeth in, uh, adult activities.
Regarding the acorn assault victim, I imagine he quit because he doesn't like being the new "only one professional enough" guy. And I'm guessing he was encouraged to seek other employment.
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Used to be, if someone resigned after such an epic *expletive deleted*up we said that at least he did that rather than make their employer fire them. When did we switch to it being shameful?
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The cop who resigned was a West Point Officer?
I'm not clear: he was the one who claimed being hit, right? Maybe he was "thinking" that would bring more immediate help / backup even though apparently he wasn't hit.
I echo someone's worry about our armed services. Maybe he was too tightly trained. I knew of a battle vet who kind of "flinched" when a loud noise went off. I guessed it was kind of a preparatory component of actually ducking.
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The cop who resigned was a West Point Officer?
I'm not clear: he was the one who claimed being hit, right? Maybe he was "thinking" that would bring more immediate help / backup even though apparently he wasn't hit.
I echo someone's worry about our armed services. Maybe he was too tightly trained. I knew of a battle vet who kind of "flinched" when a loud noise went off. I guessed it was kind of a preparatory component of actually ducking.
He apparently got so freaked out that he couldn't move his legs, and really thought he'd been hit. Some are saying he was already dealing with PTSD from his experiences in the military. I don't know what his service record is, though.
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^ Yes, that helps, thanks.
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Regardless of what caused the officer to freak out and do what he did, he is lucky he is not facing murder charges. Attempted murder or attempted manslaughter are charges he could have gotten.
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The cop who resigned was a West Point Officer?
I'm not clear: he was the one who claimed being hit, right? Maybe he was "thinking" that would bring more immediate help / backup even though apparently he wasn't hit.
I echo someone's worry about our armed services. Maybe he was too tightly trained. I knew of a battle vet who kind of "flinched" when a loud noise went off. I guessed it was kind of a preparatory component of actually ducking.
Yes, he was a West Pointer.
Apparently he was so certain he had been shot that he didn't know otherwise until he had been transported to a hospital and an examination showed no injuries.
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Stop knocking her. She was a commissioned piece officer after all.
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He apparently got so freaked out that he couldn't move his legs, and really thought he'd been hit. Some are saying he was already dealing with PTSD from his experiences in the military. I don't know what his service record is, though.
Yes, he was a West Pointer.
Apparently he was so certain he had been shot that he didn't know otherwise until he had been transported to a hospital and an examination showed no injuries.
Not to sound unfeeling but it sounds like maybe he should have stayed far away from law enforcement.
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Not to sound unfeeling but it sounds like maybe he should have stayed far away from law enforcement.
If he hadn't emptied his mag at a handcuffed man, I would say to be more respectful. He earned some ridicule. That said, I do hope he finds another line of work.
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Stop knocking her. She was a commissioned piece officer after all.
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If he hadn't emptied his mag at a handcuffed man, I would say to be more respectful. He earned some ridicule. That said, I do hope he finds another line of work.
Security Guard for any number of country leaders I can think of.
Terry, 230RN
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If he hadn't emptied his mag at a handcuffed man, I would say to be more respectful. He earned some ridicule. That said, I do hope he finds another line of work.
In this case, it'd a good thing his marksmanship was every bit as bad as his judgement. Seriously, a mag dump at a handcuffed man confined to the back of a police vehicle - and every single round fired by both officers missed? Did either one of them have ANY firearms training - any at all - before they took to the streets on patrol?
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In this case, it'd a good thing his marksmanship was every bit as bad as his judgement. Seriously, a mag dump at a handcuffed man confined to the back of a police vehicle - and every single round fired by both officers missed? Did either one of them have ANY firearms training - any at all - before they took to the streets on patrol?
I'm loathe to defend anything about this special forces cop, but shooting at an unseen (probably cowering) target in the back seat of a vehicle with a pistol isn't as simple as it might first appear. He was shooting through the tailgate which means the bullets are slowed by that, a bunch of gear in the back of the SUV, plus whatever support members the seat has, and again the suspect was probably making himself as small as possible. Plus the cop probably was using some premium hollowpoint that isn't really designed for barrier penetration.
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I never saw any mention of how many hits were made on the car. Since neither of the officers could see the person in the car, I suspect they were bracketing the entire car as the target. He was probably aiming up at the back window. Any sane person in handcuffs would be laying down in the floor board after the first shot came through the window. That is likely lower than either of them were aiming.
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Any sane person in handcuffs would be laying down in the floor board after the first shot came through the window.
Given they had their wits about them. In an honest analysis of myself where I don't compare myself to Jason Bourne, I'm not sure I would be quick or thoughtful enough to do any more than lean down in the seat, given the couple of seconds I would have to make a move. More likely I'd be right in the middle of, "What the hell is..." and then I'd get popped in the brain holder.
Those cops (as well as the victim, obviously) are really, really, really, really lucky that no shots made contact.