Post by: Ex-MA Hole on November 30, 2007, 08:30:15 AM
Post by: Thor on November 30, 2007, 08:32:15 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 08:52:24 AM
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ROCHESTER, N.H. -- An armed man has taken people hostage at the Hillary Clinton campaign office in Rochester, police said.
It was not clear how many hostages there were or what weapons the man has. Police have set up a command post near the office on 28 North Main St.
Refresh this page for updates.
It was not clear how many hostages there were or what weapons the man has. Police have set up a command post near the office on 28 North Main St.
Refresh this page for updates.
From WMUR.
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BOSTON -- An armed man took people hostage Friday at a Hillary Clinton presidential campaign office in New Hampshire, police said.
The incident happened at about 1 p.m. Friday at 28 North Main St. in Rochester. Officials said that a man is holding people hostage at the office, but it is unclear how many people are being held.
There are several police officers positioned across the street from the office, crouched down behind cruisers with guns drawn, according to a reported at the scene.
Nearby businesses have been evacuated, and the St. Elizabeth Seaton School has been locked down.
Clinton, who is not in New Hampshire, is attending a National Democratic Committee meeting in Virginia.
NewsCenter 5 and TheBostonChannel.com will have more information when it becomes available.
The incident happened at about 1 p.m. Friday at 28 North Main St. in Rochester. Officials said that a man is holding people hostage at the office, but it is unclear how many people are being held.
There are several police officers positioned across the street from the office, crouched down behind cruisers with guns drawn, according to a reported at the scene.
Nearby businesses have been evacuated, and the St. Elizabeth Seaton School has been locked down.
Clinton, who is not in New Hampshire, is attending a National Democratic Committee meeting in Virginia.
NewsCenter 5 and TheBostonChannel.com will have more information when it becomes available.
Oh, YAY.
Post by: ilbob on November 30, 2007, 09:11:27 AM
Post by: K Frame on November 30, 2007, 09:12:55 AM
An "armed" individual takes hostages...
Secret effort by Hillary to push her gun control agenda?
Nah...
We all know that politicials NEVER orchestrate *COUGH Reichstag fire COUGH* incidents to bolster their agendas...
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on November 30, 2007, 09:17:43 AM
Everyone in there is armed, and the chap you look like Swiss Cheese by now.
Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 09:36:56 AM
A buddy of mine said that it would never happen in a Republican Campaign Office-
Everyone in there is armed, and the chap you look like Swiss Cheese by now.
Everyone in there is armed, and the chap you look like Swiss Cheese by now.
Yes, only in a Hillary office. Some other office, they might be introduced to famous local New Hampshire products, our fine firearms made in Exeter.
Post by: Len Budney on November 30, 2007, 09:40:34 AM
We all know that politicials NEVER orchestrate *COUGH Reichstag fire COUGH* incidents to bolster their agendas...
Agreed, but it's too early for a Reichstag fire. First she has to get into office, and lay the groundwork for the enabling acts. Then the fire, to propel it through.
--Len.
Post by: yesitsloaded on November 30, 2007, 09:50:48 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 09:53:20 AM
If it was a jihadist, they'd have just yelled something about allah and gone boom, they don't tend to take hostages with bombs.
Post by: yesitsloaded on November 30, 2007, 09:54:51 AM
Post by: Len Budney on November 30, 2007, 10:00:11 AM
Probably just a deranged sort.
Hopefully it's a deranged liberal.
Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 10:02:09 AM
Best end would be hostages run, hostage-taker gets kneecapped by a sniper. Not killed, but it'd hurt like hell. And then prison for life.
And the hostages might have learned a lesson about why being armed is good.
It's always been my opinion that if someone takes hostages, if the hostages get freed and the hostage-taker is still alive, the former hostages should each be given a steel-toed boot and allowed to deliver one kick in the jewels to the hostage-taker for their violation of rights. Seems fair.
Post by: K Frame on November 30, 2007, 10:04:39 AM
News is reporting that he wants to talk to Hillary on TV.
Well that seals it. DEFINITELY degranged.
Post by: Len Budney on November 30, 2007, 10:06:40 AM
Right now, I just hope the hostages get out unharmed.
I guess I should worry more, but I'm confident it won't end in a kaboom. If he meant to blow up, as you pointed out earlier, he would have by now. Either they'll talk him down, or they'll take him out. And apparently suicide bombers are too stupid (thankfully) to use dead-man switches.
--Len.
Post by: grampster on November 30, 2007, 10:16:09 AM
Post by: Iain on November 30, 2007, 10:38:56 AM
Probably just a deranged sort. Possible attempt at suicide by cop with a last bit of notoriety, who knows? You know the media will be doing retrospectives of the "troubles" of whomever it was.
Not among my top 10 'most likely to discount a vast conspiracy' but still.
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Law enforcement sources have told the BBC that the suspect is well-known locally, and has a history of emotional issues.
He had earlier told his son to watch the news, according to sources.
- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7122013.stm
He had earlier told his son to watch the news, according to sources.
Post by: geekWithA.45 on November 30, 2007, 10:40:48 AM
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on November 30, 2007, 10:43:18 AM
Post by: Len Budney on November 30, 2007, 10:43:27 AM
Post by: K Frame on November 30, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
Post by: K Frame on November 30, 2007, 10:49:30 AM
Chief Wiggum: "Wait a minute. Those aren't bombs. They're hot dogs. Armour hot dogs."
Superintendent Chalmers: "What kind of man wears Armour hot dogs?"
Post by: yesitsloaded on November 30, 2007, 10:59:27 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 11:07:57 AM
Post by: offthepaper on November 30, 2007, 11:32:26 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2007, 11:59:13 AM
A buddy of mine said that it would never happen in a Republican Campaign Office-
Everyone in there is armed, and the chap you look like Swiss Cheese by now.
Everyone in there is armed, and the chap you look like Swiss Cheese by now.
He doesn't actually believe that, does he?
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Hopefully it's a deranged liberal.
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Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 12:04:49 PM
A buddy of mine said that it would never happen in a Republican Campaign Office-
Everyone in there is armed, and the chap you look like Swiss Cheese by now.
Everyone in there is armed, and the chap you look like Swiss Cheese by now.
He doesn't actually believe that, does he?
Why not? It's New Hampshire. Most people I know carry concealed.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on November 30, 2007, 12:23:12 PM
Seymour Skinner: "I have a bomb."
Chief Wiggum: "Wait a minute. Those aren't bombs. They're hot dogs. Armour hot dogs."
Superintendent Chalmers: "What kind of man wears Armour hot dogs?"
Chief Wiggum: "Wait a minute. Those aren't bombs. They're hot dogs. Armour hot dogs."
Superintendent Chalmers: "What kind of man wears Armour hot dogs?"
Fat men, skinny men, men who climb on rocks
Tough men, sissy men, even men with chicken pox........
Post by: GigaBuist on November 30, 2007, 12:39:10 PM
Amazing the fun a mentally ill person can have with an old clock, some duct tape, and some hobby clay.
You're preaching to the choir, man.
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Right now, I just hope the hostages get out unharmed. I don't care about the politics.
Okay, that's twice in like 5 minutes that I've found myself in agreement with Manedwolf. I think I should be buying lotto tickets or something right now.
Post by: Manedwolf on November 30, 2007, 12:41:45 PM
Is it SOP to stand right to the right of the ejection port of your fellow officer's rifle?
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 30, 2007, 01:05:23 PM
Seymour Skinner: "I have a bomb."
Chief Wiggum: "Wait a minute. Those aren't bombs. They're hot dogs. Armour hot dogs."
Superintendent Chalmers: "What kind of man wears Armour hot dogs?"
Chief Wiggum: "Wait a minute. Those aren't bombs. They're hot dogs. Armour hot dogs."
Superintendent Chalmers: "What kind of man wears Armour hot dogs?"
Fat men, skinny men, men who climb on rocks
Tough men, sissy men, even men with chicken pox........
WaaaHa!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha
Brad
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2007, 01:12:43 PM
Is it SOP to stand right to the right of the ejection port of your fellow officer's rifle?
I think that guy is further back than you think. But who cares? It's just brass.
Post by: vernal45 on November 30, 2007, 01:33:51 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on November 30, 2007, 04:27:14 PM
So, almost certainly no bomb, just a known nut with road flares. Which wouldn't have been a problem if the campaign staffers could recognize a road flare on sight.
"I have a bomb, I'll kill us all!"
"Ummm, nope, you've got a bunch of road flares and you'll suffer some painful burns. Hit the bricks Bugsy."
Post by: Fly320s on November 30, 2007, 10:46:14 PM
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Um...hm...Dover SWAT, these are.
Hmmm, one of those guys taught my carbine course at SigArms.In case you haven't heard, it ended peacefully. Drat.
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on December 01, 2007, 04:21:59 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on December 01, 2007, 04:55:32 AM
In one of the news stories someone witnessed him buying road flares in a store prior to the event.
So, almost certainly no bomb, just a known nut with road flares. Which wouldn't have been a problem if the campaign staffers could recognize a road flare on sight.
"I have a bomb, I'll kill us all!"
"Ummm, nope, you've got a bunch of road flares and you'll suffer some painful burns. Hit the bricks Bugsy."
So, almost certainly no bomb, just a known nut with road flares. Which wouldn't have been a problem if the campaign staffers could recognize a road flare on sight.
"I have a bomb, I'll kill us all!"
"Ummm, nope, you've got a bunch of road flares and you'll suffer some painful burns. Hit the bricks Bugsy."
If they were the cheaper type, they're the same off-red paper as the old movie images of "dynamite", so I can't blame the general citizenry for thinking that's what they might be. Especially if they were obscured by duct tape at the ends and he just flashed them quickly and closed the coat again.
Post by: Fly320s on December 01, 2007, 05:26:43 AM
I've shot with two of those SWAT guys. One is a regular at my monthly IDPA matches.
Dp you shoot at Pelham?
Post by: Bogie on December 01, 2007, 11:01:15 AM
When something like this happens in a small city, do they call a time-out so everyone can change clothes? Puhleeze don't tell me that they have all these guys sitting around in camo all day long...
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 01, 2007, 11:52:34 AM
In one of the news stories someone witnessed him buying road flares in a store prior to the event.
So, almost certainly no bomb, just a known nut with road flares. Which wouldn't have been a problem if the campaign staffers could recognize a road flare on sight.
"I have a bomb, I'll kill us all!"
"Ummm, nope, you've got a bunch of road flares and you'll suffer some painful burns. Hit the bricks Bugsy."
So, almost certainly no bomb, just a known nut with road flares. Which wouldn't have been a problem if the campaign staffers could recognize a road flare on sight.
"I have a bomb, I'll kill us all!"
"Ummm, nope, you've got a bunch of road flares and you'll suffer some painful burns. Hit the bricks Bugsy."
If they were the cheaper type, they're the same off-red paper as the old movie images of "dynamite", so I can't blame the general citizenry for thinking that's what they might be. Especially if they were obscured by duct tape at the ends and he just flashed them quickly and closed the coat again.
Dynamite is brown or off-whiteish. Road flares are red and have writing on them. I'm supercilious and expect people to know the difference, after all, I do.
Where's the "pat self on back for being so cool" smilie?
Post by: Fly320s on December 01, 2007, 11:59:13 AM
I'm just wondering...
When something like this happens in a small city, do they call a time-out so everyone can change clothes? Puhleeze don't tell me that they have all these guys sitting around in camo all day long...
When something like this happens in a small city, do they call a time-out so everyone can change clothes? Puhleeze don't tell me that they have all these guys sitting around in camo all day long...
The SWAT team came from Dover, NH. They are full-time officers, and part-time SWATies. They only put on the special clothes for special occassions.
Dover, just south of Rochester, is the larger of the two towns. Rochester has a population of about 30k.
Post by: Manedwolf on December 03, 2007, 10:42:43 AM
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Rundles cited Eisenberg's prior convictions in asking for the bail. The cases cited dated back to a knife possession charge in 1978. Others included an assault with deadly weapon case in 1981 and a rape in Worcester, Mass., in 1985. He escaped from custody after the rape and was recaptured in New Hampshire after committing a second rape. Other convictions on record include some in New Hampshire in recent years.
The defendant was known as Ralph E. Woodward before taking on the Eisenberg name in recent years.
The defendant was known as Ralph E. Woodward before taking on the Eisenberg name in recent years.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 04, 2007, 04:15:19 PM