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Title: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 19, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
... if you want to torch police cars, cover your tats.

https://www.newser.com/story/292493/fbis-clues-to-alleged-arsonist-tattoo-and-an-etsy-review.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_crime

Creative police work tracks down woman who [insert obligatory "allegedly"] torched two police cars at a "peaceful" protest. Her lawyer's statement?

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Blumenthal's attorney, meanwhile, tells the Philadelphia Inquirer that the authorities' methods for tracking his client down is a chilling example of law enforcement diving too deep into citizens' privacy.

I'm confused. I thought we wanted the police to solve crimes. I guess that doesn't apply when the criminal is a card-carrying social justice warrior(ess).
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: MechAg94 on June 19, 2020, 10:44:35 PM
Arson is no small crime they can brush off either.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: griz on June 19, 2020, 11:16:32 PM
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Blumenthal's attorney, meanwhile, tells the Philadelphia Inquirer that the authorities' methods for tracking his client down is a chilling example of law enforcement diving too deep into citizens' privacy.

That sounds a lot like an admission of guilt to me.  It will be interesting to see if the defence asserts that her arm can't "testify" against her. 

On a side note about the reporting:

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accused of torching two police cars after a peaceful George Floyd protest

Are they saying it was peaceful until the arson?
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: just Warren on June 19, 2020, 11:23:32 PM
I learned this in kindergarten. Millennials, man....
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 20, 2020, 12:11:26 AM



griz read my mind:

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...accused of torching two police cars after a peaceful George Floyd protest...

Are they saying it was peaceful until the arson?

That "peaceful protest" bullcrap bothers me no end.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: zxcvbob on June 20, 2020, 12:39:44 AM
Notice the word "after".  It makes all the difference.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 20, 2020, 05:04:32 AM
Per Hawkmoon:

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Blumenthal's attorney, meanwhile, tells the Philadelphia Inquirer that the authorities' methods for tracking his client down is a chilling example of law enforcement diving too deep into citizens' privacy.

Yeah, so now some hotshot "community organizer" is probably planning on arranging massive demonstrations to protest that "law enforcement is diving too deep into citizens' privacy."

Yay.  More street extortion and blackmail. Yay. "Progress." Yay.  So our limpwristed mob-pandering re-election-seeking legislators will break their necks passing laws against the enforcement community using tattoos for ID.

This is not meant to be funny.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: Fly320s on June 20, 2020, 05:50:47 AM
Don't fret, SCOTUS has ruled many times that information plainly visible in public is fair game.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 20, 2020, 06:26:35 AM
That don't matter nohow for the community organizers, who are very aware of the low legal sophistication of their mobs.

Whatever they can make a stink about... that's the name of the game. They also have bullhorns and confederates who can drop off loads of bricks and 2x4s at strategic locations.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: griz on June 20, 2020, 08:42:47 AM
Notice the word "after".  It makes all the difference.

Just in case you're not entirely kidding, I would submit that the protest stopped being peaceful no later than when they turned the police car over, and probably before that.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: K Frame on June 20, 2020, 10:02:19 AM
"Blumenthal's attorney, meanwhile, tells the Philadelphia Inquirer that the authorities' methods for tracking his client down is a chilling example of law enforcement diving too deep into citizens' privacy."

That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard from an attorney.

No privacy issues at all.

Reminds me of one I saw years ago...

People called the police because a guy was in his back yard buck naked.

Police arrive, yep, buck naked. Arrest him on whatever charge.

Goes to court, his attorney tries to claim the neighbors and police violated his privacy by looking into his back yard.

Only problem was... he didn't have any kind of fence at all that would make his back yard private.

Convicted.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 20, 2020, 10:43:06 PM
A woman's cleavage is private, too.  Don't look at it.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: WLJ on June 20, 2020, 10:51:33 PM
A woman's cleavage is private, too.  Don't look at it.

Even when a hot casing falls down it and she's jumping up and down all over the place?

Why I tell women it's not a good idea to wear low cut tops to the range.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: AJ Dual on June 20, 2020, 11:40:40 PM
I just find it funny that the police went all deep-dive CSI crime procedural TV show levels for their car.

Do they work that hard for property crime where an average citizen is the victim? Dunno...  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 20, 2020, 11:58:57 PM
Even when a hot casing falls down it and she's jumping up and down all over the place?

Why I tell women it's not a good idea to wear low cut tops to the range.

My wife learned that lesson the hard way, even after I'd warned her. Of course, having suggested buttoning up the shirt made it my fault.   :rofl:
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: zxcvbob on June 21, 2020, 12:01:11 AM
I just find it funny that the police went all deep-dive CSI crime procedural TV show levels for their car.

Do they work that hard for property crime where an average citizen is the victim? Dunno...  [tinfoil]

They do not.  They say "it's a civil matter" and won't even write a report.  (so that's what I told my insurance company when they asked for a police report)
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: WLJ on June 21, 2020, 12:32:57 AM
My wife learned that lesson the hard way, even after I'd warned her. Of course, having suggested buttoning up the shirt made it my fault.   :rofl:

When it comes to women every man is Trump
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 21, 2020, 07:14:08 AM
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on June 20, 2020, 09:58:57 PM

"My wife learned that lesson the hard way, even after I'd warned her. Of course, having suggested buttoning up the shirt made it my fault."

The logic thinking response there is that "you invited the devil in" when you mentioned it.  There's no logical thoughtful response to that.

This would not usually be stated aloud, but that's why it was your fault.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: HankB on June 21, 2020, 11:52:32 AM
I just find it funny that the police went all deep-dive CSI crime procedural TV show levels for their car.

Do they work that hard for property crime where an average citizen is the victim? Dunno...  [tinfoil]
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: cordex on June 21, 2020, 03:40:20 PM
I just find it funny that the police went all deep-dive CSI crime procedural TV show levels for their car.

Do they work that hard for property crime where an average citizen is the victim? Dunno...  [tinfoil]
They often look deeper in cases of arson.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on June 21, 2020, 04:52:54 PM
Even when a hot casing falls down it and she's jumping up and down all over the place?

Why I tell women it's not a good idea to wear low cut tops to the range.

Surprisingly enough, has never happened to me.

I've had it down the back of my shirt and down the small of my back into my pants, but never the cleavage.

And I have some serious cleavage and have often worn shirts with low necklines while shooting.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: WLJ on June 21, 2020, 05:02:48 PM
Surprisingly enough, has never happened to me.

I've had it down the back of my shirt and down the small of my back into my pants, but never the cleavage.

And I have some serious cleavage and have often worn shirts with low necklines while shooting.

5 out of 6 people say Russian Roulette is perfectly safe
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: just Warren on June 21, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
My wife carried the imprint of a .380 shell on one of her inner side-boobs for over a year.

Not only did the shell find its way into her shirt, it somehow got stuck under her bra and it took a bit to get it out.

On a related note I was at the range next to a guy who was wearing flip-flops and he got a hot empty under his foot. That must have been fun for him.

And once I had a 9MM empty lodge itself in the part of my glasses where the ear-piece meets the lens. Fortunately I had hair there that shielded my skin but it could have been double-plus un-fun.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: Jim147 on June 21, 2020, 08:50:12 PM
If I’m running my cast plinking loads in the 1911 I have to make sure to not have on a collared shirt. It’s no fun.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: K Frame on June 22, 2020, 07:15:37 AM
I had a 9mm casing bounce off the side wall of the booth I was in and lodge behind my glasses. Burned the living crap out of my eye lid.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 22, 2020, 07:27:19 AM
^
After years of stuff getting behind my "safety glass" glasses, sometimes with some really close calls, I decided goggles are the way to go, and not just at the range.

Terry said that. He's a slow learner.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: HankB on June 22, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
Women aren't the only ones vulnerable to hot brass. I was involved in some cropping in Zimbabwe and while shooting impala at night over the front of the landcruiser, I worked the bolt and ejected a spent .30/06 shell which went right down my PH's collar. (he was driving)

He wasn't happy . . . although the boys in the back were mightily amused.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: fifth_column on June 22, 2020, 11:42:09 AM
I took a defensive handgun class a while ago.  There was also a married couple in the class.  He was much taller than she.  During the shooting portions of the class, we would be standing in a line firing at our individual targets, and her brass would fly up into her husband's face.  By the end of the class he had quite a few powder streaks on his face.  I'm not sure why he didn't move to the other side of her or something . . . .
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: Fly320s on June 22, 2020, 12:33:50 PM
I have several scars from hot rifle brass getting stuck against my skin.  It was all 5.56mm.  The pistol brass doesn't bother me too much; it cools down pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 22, 2020, 12:40:26 PM
I am told that autoloader brass is hotter than manually-ejected brass.

Apparently the few seconds between firing and ejection allows heat to be transferred to the chamber with manual ejection.  With autoloaders, there's no time for this and the brass is as hot as at the instant of firing.

I never tested that.  Any comments?

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: just Warren on June 22, 2020, 02:18:49 PM
And if you get some brass down your shirt from unloading a revolver you probably shouldn't be handling guns.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 22, 2020, 05:07:36 PM
^ True, true.

Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: JN01 on June 22, 2020, 05:18:09 PM
^
After years of stuff getting behind my "safety glass" glasses, sometimes with some really close calls, I decided goggles are the way to go, and not just at the range.

Terry said that. He's a slow learner.

Do you look like this?




Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: K Frame on June 23, 2020, 07:52:46 AM
I am told that autoloader brass is hotter than manually-ejected brass.

Apparently the few seconds between firing and ejection allows heat to be transferred to the chamber with manual ejection.  With autoloaders, there's no time for this and the brass is as hot as at the instant of firing.

I never tested that.  Any comments?

Terry, 230RN

I would say that that is very true based on my experience with both autoloaders and revolvers.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: MechAg94 on June 23, 2020, 09:15:44 AM
I am told that autoloader brass is hotter than manually-ejected brass.

Apparently the few seconds between firing and ejection allows heat to be transferred to the chamber with manual ejection.  With autoloaders, there's no time for this and the brass is as hot as at the instant of firing.

I never tested that.  Any comments?

Terry, 230RN
That is my experience as well. 
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: WLJ on June 23, 2020, 09:18:08 AM
One of the problems that's hindered the adoption of plastic case ammo is the fact that metal casings carry away some of the chamber heat upon ejection, plastic casings not so much. Becomes a rather larger issue in full autos.
At least that's what I've read, not done the math.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: MechAg94 on June 23, 2020, 09:21:57 AM
One of the problems that's hindered the adoption of plastic case ammo is the fact that metal casings carry away some of the chamber heat upon ejection, plastic casings not so much. Becomes a rather larger issue in full autos.
At least that's what I've read, not done the math.
Makes me wonder if they could come up with a coating that would sublimate to gas under heat.  I guess it would be hard to find something that would be stable under all possible storage conditions and not be corrosive or toxic.
Title: Re: Today's lesson, kids ...
Post by: 230RN on June 23, 2020, 05:19:54 PM
One of the problems that's hindered the adoption of plastic case ammo is the fact that metal casings carry away some of the chamber heat upon ejection, plastic casings not so much. Becomes a rather larger issue in full autos.
At least that's what I've read, not done the math.

Sounds very logical, and someone's point about pistol casings seems valid.  The time I got a shell on the back of my neck it was a nice big heavy hot .30-06 case out of the next guy's Garand in the prone stage.  My shooting jacket prevented it from wandering around too much and I just scooped it away with my trigger hand, but for that two seconds it was hell.  My first high-power match, and when I arrived, I kinda wondered how come so many were wearing campaign hats.  I had nothing but a billed cap.  At the time I was still "corporate" and hadn't grown a pony tail.

One of the few times I learned a little faster than usual.