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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: RevDisk on March 11, 2015, 10:32:03 AM
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Apparently, Clarkson may or may not have punched a producer. The episode this Sunday is suspended, possibly the rest of the season.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31828184
Personally, I'm siding with Clarkson until otherwise proven. Last person he punched out was Piers Morgan. Which is sort of like Captain America punching out Hitler. Sure, someone is going to say it's a bad thing, but it's hard to think up any reason of why it'd be bad.
https://twitter.com/James_May_Not/status/575566513471684608?s=07
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:laugh:
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"Which is sort of like Captain America punching out Hitler."
No, that's more like Captain BBC America punching out a Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Pot combo creature...
I suspect that the rest of this series is toast, but I predict that Clarkson will have to serve some lengthy "suspension" and will be fined, and then welcomed back.
Simple fact is Top Gear is a HUGE cash cow for BBC. Some have said that it alone puts BBC in the black, and to kill it off would be a grave mistake. Don't know about the first claim, but I heartily agree with the second.
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If the BBC does kill it off (Are they run by Fox Executives?), it can be readily picked up by another network. But yes, Clarkson will have to do penance and then be welcomed back. Given the reaction from his co-hosts, I would guess/say that the producer had it coming.
$$$$ talks, BS walks.
And I wholeheartedly agree with James May. =D =D
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I was just reading about this over on the finalgear forums. Aside from anything else, this is really annoying because this is the best season in quite a while. If BBC decides to can him, There will be other channels lining up for him. Roughly 350 million people world wide watch the show every week, He'd be snapped up and making more money by the end of the week. All three of their contracts expire in April, so it will be interesting to see what happens.
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"this is really annoying because this is the best season in quite a while."
Boy do you have that right. This series has been nothing short of kick ass.
What really frosts me is that BBC has announced that they're killing the last three episodes of the series.
They're already made, so what in the hell good does that do anyone or anything?
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What really frosts me is that BBC has announced that they're killing the last three episodes of the series.
They're already made, so what in the hell good does that do anyone or anything?
The contract probably reads that if they don't air the episodes, Jeremy doesn't get paid.
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Actually, from what I understand Jeremy gets paid whether the episodes get aired or not. May and Hammond I'm not sure about; but I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC is going to try and use this as a way to help with ongoing negotiations on their soon to be expired contracts. The powers that be at the BBC hate everything about Top Gear and would've canceled it long ago if it wasn't bringing in well over £150 million a year in profits. Something has to pay for all the unwatched shows on climate change.
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So letting a hardline socialist, free speech hating fed.gov control a nation's broadcast network causes problems? Here is my shocked face.
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So letting a hardline socialist, free speech hating fed.gov control a nation's broadcast network causes problems? Here is my shocked face.
Yes, because assaulting your coworkers and getting suspended for it is a hardline socialist concept.
Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and love the show, but seeing what he does on air and hearing about what goes on behind the scenes, I'm surprised he has lasted this long.
Ask yourself this, if you were the one being assaulted, would you appreciate him getting a pass because of his popularity? Would you get a pass at your job for similar behavior?
Chris
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"Ask yourself this, if you were the one being assaulted, would you appreciate him getting a pass because of his popularity?"
Actually, I won't much mind if he were brought back, becuase he'd be earning money that I'd be lining up to take in the civil suit. :D
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Ask yourself this, if you were the one being assaulted, would you appreciate him getting a pass because of his popularity? Would you get a pass at your job for similar behavior?
I HAVE been in that situation. While it seems stupid, I always made it a priority to ensure folks are fed as well as possible under circumstances. I've paid for pizza, driven for subs, you name it. Three rules for doing anything outside that will be very long and demanding. Plenty of water during the day, cold beer for the evening (if allowed) and the best food possible under the circumstances. Sometimes it's just pizza and paper plates. I've dealt with egos and sniveling children wearing adult bodies. Granted, few have tried to throw a punch in anger because most people assume I'd likely defend myself. If someone did take a swing at me because I screwed up, I'd probably knock the wind out of them (or otherwise injure them just enough to stop them) and then let them cool down, then explain it'd look bad for both parties, and we should agree it never happened.
If I was a producer and I allowed things to escalate to the point where I endangered the most profitable show on a network, I'd be punching myself in the face. Because it would be my job to ensure production. Dealing with bloated egos and childish tantrums is part of it, Clarkson is famous for both. No production means a lot of people are now worried about their paychecks. And despite being in the right, my own career would be justifiably shot in the foot.
That said, Clarkson was being a mommy parts in this circumstances. Just because it's understandable to be upset at a producer screwed up doesn't mean he should endanger the show over the matter. While the Argentinians are at fault over the row involving the license plates, he should have allowed things to cool off before doing anything remotely endangering the show.
tl;dr : Producer and Clarkson are morons
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Yes, because assaulting your coworkers and getting suspended for it is a hardline socialist concept.
Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and love the show, but seeing what he does on air and hearing about what goes on behind the scenes, I'm surprised he has lasted this long.
Ask yourself this, if you were the one being assaulted, would you appreciate him getting a pass because of his popularity? Would you get a pass at your job for similar behavior?
Chris
You have proof he assaulted someone, versus mutual combat or self defense?
And my objections to Britain's socialist .gov as well as letting any fed.gov control broadcast medium have nothing to do with this incident.
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He's got a track record and pretty proud of it
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According to him, the only person he's punched in his life was Piers Morgan. Personally, I don't really have a problem with that. >:D
The last thing I read said that the incident happened over a week before it was reported, and that it wasn't necessarily the producer himself who complained. New info may have come out that I haven't read yet; so I'm just going by what I knew as of last night.
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You have proof he assaulted someone, versus mutual combat or self defense?
I'm just going by everything being said about the incident. Do you have proof he didn't?
And my objections to Britain's socialist .gov as well as letting any fed.gov control broadcast medium have nothing to do with this incident.
Then why bring it up?
Chris
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He's got a track record and pretty proud of it
Yup. He likes to run his mouth. He's not going to get sacked because he isn't a moneymaker for BBC, he's going to get himself sacked because he's a liability.
Chris
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I'm just going by everything being said about the incident. Do you have proof he didn't?
Then why bring it up?
Chris
"Everything being said" lol. "Involved in a fracas" is all that's being said, the rest is assumptions. So stating definitely "He did X!" is silly. We don't know if any blows were exchanged, let alone who did what to who and when and why.
I bring it up because the BBC has hated Clarkson for everything except the amount of money he generates for years. They're looking to put him into their censorious little box but can't because of the cash flow. This seems like another in a long string of those jackholes looking for excuses to persecute dissenters. At least they aren't throwing him in jail for being mean on twitter like the Brits seem to love to do so much.
Why are you so gung ho to defend the BBC?
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/tv/a14501/jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-punchout/
It was the end of a long day. Dinner was not awaiting him.
The Tweet from May seems to indicate that they are not The Three Musketeers
There seems still to be no corroboration of the story broken/carried by The Mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-clarkson-suspended-producer-top-5309060
I'm beginning to think that May and Hammond might consider going forward as a duo without the buffoon. We'll need to see how many viewers showed up for the Benny Hill of the motoring genre.
stay safe.
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"Everything being said" lol. "Involved in a fracas" is all that's being said, the rest is assumptions. So stating definitely "He did X!" is silly. We don't know if any blows were exchanged, let alone who did what to who and when and why.
I bring it up because the BBC has hated Clarkson for everything except the amount of money he generates for years. They're looking to put him into their censorious little box but can't because of the cash flow. This seems like another in a long string of those jackholes looking for excuses to persecute dissenters. At least they aren't throwing him in jail for being mean on twitter like the Brits seem to love to do so much.
Clarkson is hardly a harmless dissenter. He has quite a history of shooting his mouth off, physically assaulting others, and generally causing problems for his employer. If this was a "first offense", we wouldn't be hearing about it, but it's not even his third strike more like the Nth.
I work for a "liberal British company". There is a cultural tendency for understatement, so when I see "fracas", I don't think "polite, professional argument", but a raging fit, if not actual physicality. Clarkson's prior antics support this as well.
Why are you so gung ho to defend the BBC?
Probably because I've seen similar situations play out from the other side of the fence and I'm aware of Clarkson's history.
Why are you so gung ho to damn the BBC? Do you really believe Clarkson is totally innocent and being unfairly persecuted by the evil socialists at the BBC despite him being a cash cow for the network? Or did you just see this as an excuse to tilt at another windmill?
Don't misunderstand me, I like the guy and enjoy his segments on the show, but as a manager, I'm not inclined to tolerate a multi-time repeat offender if the antics become a liability or continue to escalate.
We had a similar situation (raging arguments, threats of violence, but no actual violence) a few years ago with a guy who isn't the revenue generator that Clarkson is. He didn't work for me at the time (he does now), but did work for one of my peers. My peer's manager (who was also my manager) wanted the guy gone, but my peer managed to talk him down on the promise that he would have a very frank conversation with the guy, explain the very precarious position he was in, and promise him that he would be shown the door if things didn't improve immediately. The chat was apparently successful as we haven't had further issues since. He now works for me and I haven't seen a need to revisit that chat. That said, if he were to return to his old behaviors, there wouldn't be the 2nd or 3rd chances Clarkson apparently received.
Chris
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Clarkson is hardly a harmless dissenter. He has quite a history of shooting his mouth off, physically assaulting others, and generally causing problems for his employer. If this was a "first offense", we wouldn't be hearing about it, but it's not even his third strike more like the Nth.
I work for a "liberal British company". There is a cultural tendency for understatement, so when I see "fracas", I don't think "polite, professional argument", but a raging fit, if not actual physicality. Clarkson's prior antics support this as well.
Probably because I've seen similar situations play out from the other side of the fence and I'm aware of Clarkson's history.
Why are you so gung ho to damn the BBC? Do you really believe Clarkson is totally innocent and being unfairly persecuted by the evil socialists at the BBC despite him being a cash cow for the network? Or did you just see this as an excuse to tilt at another windmill?
Don't misunderstand me, I like the guy and enjoy his segments on the show, but as a manager, I'm not inclined to tolerate a multi-time repeat offender if the antics become a liability or continue to escalate.
We had a similar situation (raging arguments, threats of violence, but no actual violence) a few years ago with a guy who isn't the revenue generator that Clarkson is. He didn't work for me at the time (he does now), but did work for one of my peers. My peer's manager (who was also my manager) wanted the guy gone, but my peer managed to talk him down on the promise that he would have a very frank conversation with the guy, explain the very precarious position he was in, and promise him that he would be shown the door if things didn't improve immediately. The chat was apparently successful as we haven't had further issues since. He now works for me and I haven't seen a need to revisit that chat. That said, if he were to return to his old behaviors, there wouldn't be the 2nd or 3rd chances Clarkson apparently received.
Chris
It's a part of the same fed.gov that has repeatedly thrown people in jail for using naughty words on twitter. If you don't see why I would object to letting the same people who are brutally oppressing freedom of speech control a country's broadcast network then I'm not sure I can help you.
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It's a part of the same fed.gov that has repeatedly thrown people in jail for using naughty words on twitter. If you don't see why I would object to letting the same people who are brutally oppressing freedom of speech control a country's broadcast network then I'm not sure I can help you.
That's nice, but not germane to the OP. We're not talking about freedom of speech, but one person's history of unrestrained outbursts that may have cost him his job.
Chris
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That's nice, but not germane to the OP. We're not talking about freedom of speech, but one person's history of unrestrained outbursts that may have cost him his job.
Chris
1. It's germane to the question that you asked.
2. Lol
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Punching his producer because he was late with dinner? Yep, that'll get you fired.
Shame it may cost us an enjoyable show.
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Punching his producer because he was late with dinner? Yep, that'll get you fired.
Shame it may cost us an enjoyable show.
Have there been new developments? I haven't seen anything yet.
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Maybe American top gear will hire him and actually be worth watching.
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1. It's germane to the question that you asked.
Which was prompted by your original, out-of-the-blue,and non-relevant statement:
So letting a hardline socialist, free speech hating fed.gov control a nation's broadcast network causes problems? Here is my shocked face.
2. Lol
So you've got exactly nothing to add. Gotcha.
Look, I get that you hate you some socialists, but this entire event wasn't about Socialism vs The Free(er) World. It's all about a guy who let his anger get the best of him again and again, and may find himself out of a job for it. You can't find one organization that would tolerate that sort of behavior time and again.
Have there been new developments? I haven't seen anything yet.
Vaskidmark's post a few posts up... It does seem Mr. Clarkson was quite the prat.
It's a shame we'll lose the show over this. I do enjoy his on-air barbs and the way he describes, well, most anything.
Chris
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The Tweet from May seems to indicate that they are not The Three Musketeers
Possibly, or it might just be British humor (humour, whatever)
There seems still to be no corroboration of the story broken/carried by The Mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-clarkson-suspended-producer-top-5309060
The Top Gear presenter allegedly ripped into his stunned colleague after arriving by helicopter at a hotel from a pub where he had been boozing heavily for several hours with co-hosts James May and Richard Hammond to find no hot food.
If true, that would explain quite a bit.
Doesn't excuse it, of course.
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May calling him a knob sounds like just their normal back and forth. Last I read, Clarkson actually reported himself for the incident.
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The three have worked very closely together for a number of years (over 10 now, I think), all three are very strong personalities.
It's likely not be all roses and champagne all day every day between them.
Biting commentary towards one another has surfaced outside of the show occasionally in the past.
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Which was prompted by your original, out-of-the-blue,and non-relevant statement:So you've got exactly nothing to add. Gotcha.
Look, I get that you hate you some socialists, but this entire event wasn't about Socialism vs The Free(er) World. It's all about a guy who let his anger get the best of him again and again, and may find himself out of a job for it. You can't find one organization that would tolerate that sort of behavior time and again.
Vaskidmark's post a few posts up... It does seem Mr. Clarkson was quite the prat.
It's a shame we'll lose the show over this. I do enjoy his on-air barbs and the way he describes, well, most anything.
Chris
Nice cherry picking to ignore my point. Your hardon for defending the censorious thugs in the BBC is laughable.
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Yea the bbc are the thugs clearly. Not the guy who punched someone because there was no free food. The ones whose friends are talking intervention. It was a punch for freedom! Wolverines!
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Nice cherry picking to ignore my point. Your hardon for defending the censorious thugs in the BBC is laughable.
We're not talking about censorship. We're talking about an HR issue with Clarkson. YOU keep bringing up censorship.
I'm not defending censorship. Show where I am.
Chris
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We're not talking about censorship. We're talking about an HR issue with Clarkson. YOU keep bringing up censorship.
I'm not defending censorship. Show where I am.
Chris
You're defending the BBC and the British fed.gov it is a part of.
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Sorry, but I'm defending the HR decision to suspend, if not fire, Clarkson. That is irrelevant to their political beliefs.
You keep trying to redefine censorship.
Chris
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Sorry, but I'm defending the HR decision to suspend, if not fire, Clarkson. That is irrelevant to their political beliefs.
You keep trying to redefine censorship.
Chris
Again, lol.
BBC has been trying to censor Clarkson for years. Just like the UK fed.gov has been censoring their citizens.
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Again, lol.
BBC has been trying to censor Clarkson for years. Just like the UK fed.gov has been censoring their citizens.
And now he gave them the ammo to accomplish their goals. Evil socialists or not, what has been reported would be a firing offense at just about any company.
Chris
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And now he gave them the ammo to accomplish their goals. Evil socialists or not, what has been reported I am baselessly assuming happened would be a firing offense at just about any company.
Chris
FTFY
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You're defending the BBC and the British fed.gov it is a part of.
With all due respect, that is the LAMEST *expletive deleted*ing argument I've ever seen you pop up with.
While I disagree with Mtnbkr (I don't want to see Clarkson tossed, because I love Top Gear), I agree that this has NOTHING to do with censorship.
Just because Clarkson works for an arm of the government, HR actions against an employee are NOT automatically censorship. You've got to be kidding me that you actually think that they are.
Whether you like it or not, every job, regardless of employer, has certain standards of conduct associated with it.
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FTFY
Fail again.
You do realize that Clarkson himself reported the incident to BBC management, and provided them with an account of what happened, in which he admitted to getting into a physical altercation with a coworker?
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With all due respect, that is the LAMEST *expletive deleted*ing argument I've ever seen you pop up with.
While I disagree with Mtnbkr (I don't want to see Clarkson tossed, because I love Top Gear), I agree that this has NOTHING to do with censorship.
Just because Clarkson works for an arm of the government, HR actions against an employee are NOT automatically censorship. You've got to be kidding me that you actually think that they are.
Whether you like it or not, every job, regardless of employer, has certain standards of conduct associated with it.
I love the with all due respect part. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no respect for me, a sentiment I return in full. Science has not yet invented an instrument sensitive enough to detect the amount of fcks I give about your opinion of me Irwin.
Fail again.
You do realize that Clarkson himself reported the incident to BBC management, and provided them with an account of what happened, in which he admitted to getting into a physical altercation with a coworker?
At the time mtnbkr and I started this argument, the only report was that there had been "a fracas" and that Clarkson denied punching anyone. Mtnbkr had nothing but speculation fueled by Clarkson's past actions. My comment was based on the BBC's well known loathing for Clarkson, and their previous censorious actions against him.
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[popcorn]
:rofl:
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And I thimk this one has run its course until Clarkson is either re-instated or sacked.