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Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« on: October 05, 2013, 07:48:09 PM »
http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-sense-of-crisis-in-a-17-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862

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I asked a Republican source on the Senate Budget Committee for an estimate. This was the answer: "Based on estimates drawn from CBO and OMB data, 83 percent of government operations will continue.

Only 17%, gosh, I was hoping for a whole lot more.  Maybe they could send home a few White House and congressional staffers and bump that number up to 25%.   =D
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 08:03:53 PM »
Looks like most of the "shut down" is affecting public facing operations. I heard today that they have shut down all the unattended boat ramps on the COE lake near my place by running a chain and padlock across them.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 08:09:59 PM »
There are too many things that the government money, our tax dollars, support to completely shut down.  Funny thing is they try to shut down the mall and stuff in DC but yet there are still just as many Park Police and such on duty as before.  Just right now they aren't sure when they will get paid for the work they are doing.  Right now our elected officials are being petty and childish.  They say the military is fully funded but yet schools and training have been canceled along with AFN showing anything other than *expletive deleted*it that the DoD has produced.  No sporting events, no new season of the TV shows, but they do get to see/hear NPR.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 08:13:32 PM »
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 08:26:13 PM »
Interesting (and disgusting) on the attempt to shut down fishing access. I'm in the Inyo National Forest right now and for kicks drove by a few popular forest service entry roads to popular backcountry spots. They all have gates, but they were all open, and I saw some traffic. I'll have to look around more tomorrow.

I also haven't heard of any National Forest closures to the extent I've heard about National Park closures. I wonder if the Forest Service is not playing "let's make it hurt"?
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2013, 08:56:09 PM »
Nat forest here is closing some manned operations here such as the district ranger HQ, but the forest remains open. Half the campgrounds at the local NF lake are open, closing them the opening weekend of archery deer season would surely kick off Revolution 2.0. I feel like my area is getting increased fall foliage traffic since McScenic national park 70 miles east closed down. Funny how all the lodges and restaurants within are privately owned and operated concessions but still have to close during peak season.

I can't wait to see what all the barrycades, police to enforce closures, expensive signs and whatnot cost. I'm guessing more than leaving it open and collecting entrance fees where applicable.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 09:09:16 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on October 05, 2013, 08:03:53 PM
Looks like most of the "shut down" is affecting public facing operations. I heard today that they have shut down all the unattended boat ramps on the COE lake near my place by running a chain and padlock across them.

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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 10:36:15 PM »
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2013, 06:50:06 PM »
I drove by a bunch more National Forest areas today. I ran into three locked campgrounds (the kind with restrooms and trash service). Otherwise other campgrounds I saw were open, as were all the forest "picnic areas", albeit with locked restrooms and trash bins, which I can see. If there's no one there to take care of them, it could get a little ripe, plus the bears are everywhere right now up here, and overflowing trash bins could certainly be an attractant.

I didn't see any litter, so people using the areas seem to be taking their trash out with them.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2013, 07:39:18 PM »
Quote from: Ben on October 06, 2013, 06:50:06 PM
I drove by a bunch more National Forest areas today. I ran into three locked campgrounds (the kind with restrooms and trash service). Otherwise other campgrounds I saw were open, as were all the forest "picnic areas", albeit with locked restrooms and trash bins,

Definitely a calculated move. 

National Forest?  You're in the woods, man!  Think!

 
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2013, 08:06:38 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on October 06, 2013, 07:39:18 PM
Definitely a calculated move. 

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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2013, 09:36:42 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on October 06, 2013, 07:39:18 PM
Definitely a calculated move. 

National Forest?  You're in the woods, man!  Think!

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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2013, 12:42:48 AM »
I went out to the desert today to play with my .44, and passed the Salt River Tubing sites near Sajuaro Lake off the Salt River, off Bush Highway.  The beaches were very dramatically closed off with traffic barriers and locked gates, there were illuminated LED road signs advertising the horrible disaster that Sajauro Lake was "closed" (whatever that means), and the campgrounds were closed.  But, the marina was still open.  People have boats permanently moored in the marina, and some folks even live at their mooring. 

How, pray tell, are you going to stop boats in the marina from going out on Sajuaro Lake? 

When I got out to my little national forest road where I go shooting, I half expected to need the first round from my pistol to knock the lock off the gate.  But, it was open.  Not sure if they didn't dare shut off this particular location, or just were too lazy to do it.  This particular area off Hwy 87 is used very often by dirtbikers, ATVers and shooters, not a group that tends to give a shyt about malum prohibitum laws anyways.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2013, 10:21:02 AM »
I think it's illuminating that just about the ONLY noticeable effect that a government "shutdown" is having is to close some parks and monuments . . . and even in THOSE cases it's more political theatre than fiscal necessity.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2013, 11:25:09 AM »
Locally, in rural Minnesota, it's my understanding that the federal Waterfowl Production Areas, open to public for hunting, are closed. There's never any federal people there, no facilities of any sort. It's just a wildlife area. But, in order to have an impact, they're no longer open to hunters. I guess I'd just go in anyway, since no-one's there to stop me.

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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2013, 11:58:58 AM »
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2013, 12:00:59 PM »
Quote from: HankB on October 07, 2013, 10:21:02 AM
I think it's illuminating that just about the ONLY noticeable effect that a government "shutdown" is having is to close some parks and monuments . . . and even in THOSE cases it's more political theatre than fiscal necessity.

They got your "parks and monuments" right here-

http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-evict-elderly-couple-from-their-home-cite-shutdown/article/2536875?custom_click=rss

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National Park Service officials cited the government shutdown as the reason for ordering an elderly Nevada couple out of their home, which sits on federal land.

"Unfortunately overnight stays are not permitted until a budget is passed and the park can reopen," an NPS spokesman explained to KTNV.

Ralph and Joyce Spencer, aged 80 and 77, respectively, own their home, but the government owns the land on which it sits.

"I had to be sure and get his walker and his scooter that he has to go in," Joyce Spencer told the local news outlet. "We're not hurt in any way except it might cost me if I have to go buy more pants."

It's their freaking home!

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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2013, 12:51:16 PM »
I guess we all need to stop breathing since the EPA is no longer keeping the air clean for us  :facepalm:

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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2013, 01:24:16 PM »
Fed.gov is "shut down" but they have the resources for this:

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one example a privately run inn along the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina.

The innkeeper tried, unsuccessfully, to repel federal efforts to shut down his business, the Pisgah Inn, last week.

Owner Bruce O'Connell told FoxNews.com on Monday that rangers are still outside his business, blocking the entrance to the parking lot. As of late Monday morning, he said there were three cars and five rangers stationed outside.

"Their message is, 'sorry, we're following orders,'" he said, describing it as a "24/7 blockade."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/07/lawmakers-probe-reports-property-owners-kicked-off-federal-land-amid-partial/


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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2013, 02:06:00 PM »
All the Feds involved in this "shutdown" were explicitly told to make it "as painful as possible" to the the public.

"WAH wah wa- I don't get my way, your gonna get hurt! you'll see!"  That is our spoiled child sociopath "leader".
 


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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2013, 02:33:38 PM »
Quote from: tokugawa on October 07, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
All the Feds involved in this "shutdown" were explicitly told to make it "as painful as possible" to the the public.

"WAH wah wa- I don't get my way, your gonna get hurt! you'll see!"  That is our spoiled child sociopath "leader".
 

The park closing will have less of an impact on the public in that, school is back in session, most people are just working.  The weather is getting colder, so going to national parks isn't the draw that it was 2 months ago and Disneyland is still open. :D  It may effect hunters some.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2013, 02:44:04 PM »
Quote from: Gowen on October 07, 2013, 02:33:38 PM
The park closing will have less of an impact on the public in that, school is back in session, most people are just working.  The weather is getting colder, so going to national parks isn't the draw that it was 2 months ago and Disneyland is still open. :D  It may effect hunters some.

You're a little off.

It's getting on peak season here in VA and the rest of the Blue Ridge. People want to go look at all the pretty leaves.

Some folks are going to get hurt by this, who make money off the day trippers. I hope they get flaming mad at obama and his croneys for it too.
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Re: Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2013, 06:27:35 PM »
If I didn't have other stuff to do right now, I would go take a camping trip on the NF just to trespass  :P
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