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Title: Jihad in America
Post by: zxcvbob on September 26, 2014, 01:10:33 PM
Recent muslim convert goes on a rampage in Oklahoma, beheading one woman and started on another before being shot by a bystander who is a reserve deputy:

http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/

Hear anything about it on the news?  Of course you didn't.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RevDisk on September 26, 2014, 01:19:22 PM

Is it me, or do Islamic converts tend to behead folks more often than many other groups? Could just be selection bias, maybe?
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Balog on September 26, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Is it me, or do Islamic converts tend to behead folks more often than many other groups? Could just be selection bias, maybe?

Check your privilege, racist. We don't need your microaggressions on this board.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: brimic on September 26, 2014, 01:44:10 PM
Is it me, or do Islamic converts tend to behead folks more often than many other groups? Could just be selection bias, maybe?

Beheadings? Feh. To become a Lutheran, I had to collect the entire spinal column, Predator-style, of several non-believers to become a full fledged member.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on September 26, 2014, 01:48:13 PM
Islam is a disease. And needs to be treated as such.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: KD5NRH on September 26, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
Recent muslim convert goes on a rampage in Oklahoma, beheading one woman and started on another before being shot by a bystander who is a reserve deputy:

http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/

Hear anything about it on the news?  Of course you didn't.

Quote
Lewis says 30-year-old Alton Nolen attacked one woman inside the business, who later died from her injuries.

NewsChannel 4 has learned Nolen allegedly beheaded her following a workplace dispute.

How long does it usually take to die from decapitation?
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Monkeyleg on September 26, 2014, 01:54:44 PM
Only US news source reporting the story that I can find is Fox
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: brimic on September 26, 2014, 02:02:24 PM
Why isn't the CEO being charged with a hate crime/civil rights violation for using an eeevil gun to interfere with a ritual sacrifice?
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RevDisk on September 26, 2014, 02:19:25 PM
Beheadings? Feh. To become a Lutheran, I had to collect the entire spinal column, Predator-style, of several non-believers to become a full fledged member.

My respect for Lutherans has risen. A worthy initiation requirement.


This moreso seems like a guy going nuts over being fired rather than jihad or terrorism.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: KD5NRH on September 26, 2014, 02:23:50 PM
This moreso seems like a guy going nuts over being fired rather than jihad or terrorism.

Somewhat, though it - and several similar incidents - do raise questions about the type of person who is likely to convert to Islam.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: brimic on September 26, 2014, 02:24:28 PM
My respect for Lutherans has risen. A worthy initiation requirement.


This moreso seems like a guy going nuts over being fired rather than jihad or terrorism.

No worries- while you would be a worthy trophy, I've already made my lifelong quota...
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: roo_ster on September 26, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
Beheadings? Feh. To become a Lutheran, I had to collect the entire spinal column, Predator-style, of several non-believers to become a full fledged member.

My respect for Lutherans has risen. A worthy initiation requirement.

Yeah, those WELS sorts--Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod--are pretty hard core. 
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 26, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
Only US news source reporting the story that I can find is Fox

CNN and Yahoo are covering it as well (although the Yahoo article I read conveniently omitted the Muslim angle).
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: KD5NRH on September 26, 2014, 03:56:13 PM
Only US news source reporting the story that I can find is Fox

CBS:  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-woman-beheaded-at-oklahoma-workplace/
Even HuffPo mentions the Muslim angle, though from the sound of some of the comments, that may have been corrected in after the initial posting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/26/alton-nolan-beheads-cowor_n_5888500.html
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: grampster on September 26, 2014, 04:22:52 PM
Has the MSM said anything more about the so called maintenance worker who set the control tower on fire in Chicago.  I wonder who that guy was. [popcorn]
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: zxcvbob on September 26, 2014, 04:49:18 PM
Has the MSM said anything more about the so called maintenance worker who set the control tower on fire in Chicago.  I wonder who that guy was. [popcorn]

Mrs. O'Leary's cow?
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 26, 2014, 07:55:15 PM
Surprisingly enough it's on all the news stations here.
And yeah, one of the local channels reported that the woman had been beheaded and died from her injuries. :facepalm:
Other than that just another Muslim quietly going about his religion of peace, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 26, 2014, 08:33:58 PM
Worse
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/breaking-muslims-shouting-praise-allah-surround-ok-police-following-press-conference-on-beheading/


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Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: zxcvbob on September 26, 2014, 08:51:04 PM
Worse
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/breaking-muslims-shouting-praise-allah-surround-ok-police-following-press-conference-on-beheading/


I've seen that pic elsewhere today.  I'm skeptical.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 26, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
I do hope your skepticism is justified


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Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 26, 2014, 10:18:20 PM
Nothing on the local news about any Muslim gathering.....yet.....
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Northwoods on September 26, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
Surprisingly enough it's on all the news stations here.
And yeah, one of the local channels reported that the woman had been beheaded and died from her injuries. :facepalm:
Other than that just another Muslim quietly going about his religion of peace pieces, nothing to see here.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 27, 2014, 12:05:47 AM
Wannabe Islamist arrested in Ferguson, MO (http://gotnews.com/muslim-arrested-ferguson-threatened-behead-critics-like-bitch/)
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: zxcvbob on September 27, 2014, 12:20:45 AM
1) They still haven't said why the Oklahoma guy was fired

2) *expletive deleted* ck you, George Carlin:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9pJ69lrL_w
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 27, 2014, 12:21:02 AM
He's raising money so he can go to syria. What's one way? On a slow boat


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Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 27, 2014, 12:26:19 AM
1) They still haven't said why the Oklahoma guy was fired

2) *expletive deleted* ck you, George Carlin:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9pJ69lrL_w


http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/breaking-beheading-suspect-alton-nolenjahkeem-yisrael-fired-after-argument-over-stoning-women


On George Carlin - WOW. I knew he was a real piece of work that was never as funny as people gave him credit for, but I never knew he was quite that demented.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Fitz on September 27, 2014, 12:55:44 AM
How i feel
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: TommyGunn on September 27, 2014, 11:59:10 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Yea...I really want THAT character on the front lines against the Jihadis!   [tinfoil]

(I do hope the liqour survives whatever ISIS does to him though... [popcorn] :laugh: )
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: brimic on September 27, 2014, 12:16:08 PM

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/breaking-beheading-suspect-alton-nolenjahkeem-yisrael-fired-after-argument-over-stoning-women


On George Carlin - WOW. I knew he was a real piece of work that was never as funny as people gave him credit for, but I never knew he was quite that demented.

I used to work with a muzzy imam, he seemed pretty normal and ok until the story of the nun who was stoned to death for naming a classroom stuffed animal mohammed... he took a prety hard line on how people are to be killed for blaspheming old mo
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Monkeyleg on September 27, 2014, 05:45:49 PM
Quote

On George Carlin - WOW. I knew he was a real piece of work that was never as funny as people gave him credit for, but I never knew he was quite that demented.

Carlin has always been a liberal's liberal, which is why I'm always surprised when conservatives or libertarians quote him or link to one of his routines for political reasons. He may be right once in awhile, but liberals are always wrong. Even when they're right they're wrong, because they're right for the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Fitz on September 28, 2014, 12:18:03 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Yea...I really want THAT character on the front lines against the Jihadis!   [tinfoil]

(I do hope the liqour survives whatever ISIS does to him though... [popcorn] :laugh: )

Then suit up
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: TommyGunn on September 28, 2014, 12:09:24 PM
Then suit up

The liqour?  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Sergeant Bob on September 28, 2014, 12:15:30 PM
How is sawing off a live person's head with a knife not "terrorism"?

It's still being called "workplace violence" by "officials".
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 28, 2014, 01:15:25 PM
How is sawing off a live person's head with a knife not "terrorism"?

It's still being called "workplace violence" by "officials".


I suppose it probably was terrorism, but that's decided by the who and the why, not the how.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: zxcvbob on September 28, 2014, 01:54:33 PM
How is sawing off a live person's head with a knife not "terrorism"?

It's still being called "workplace violence" by "officials".

That he took the time to cut off her head probably saved the 2nd woman's life, and maybe others.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 28, 2014, 02:19:58 PM
How is sawing off a live person's head with a knife not "terrorism"?

It's still being called "workplace violence" by "officials".

Same dictionary they used when they labeled the Fort Hood shooting workplace violence.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 28, 2014, 02:36:04 PM
Terrorism is not defined by acts of violence. Any psychopath might shoot a bunch of people, or cut off a woman's head, or worse. It only becomes terrorism when done to instill terror in the public, in order to achieve an ideological goal.

So, no, this isn't a slam-dunk case of terrorism. Thought it's got some awful strong indicators...
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Tallpine on September 28, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
We just need to stay calm and not lose our heads   :angel:
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 28, 2014, 02:48:32 PM
Say what?
 ???

 http://m.krmg.com/news/news/local/man-found-decapitated-police-suspect-suicide/nYNZh/ (http://m.krmg.com/news/news/local/man-found-decapitated-police-suspect-suicide/nYNZh/)
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: never_retreat on September 28, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
How is sawing off a live person's head with a knife not "terrorism"?

It's still being called "workplace violence" by "officials".
Terrorism is just the buzz word they have been throwing around to long.
This is clear case of premeditated murder. With a side of hate crime.
They have the death penitently out there?
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Monkeyleg on September 28, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
Say what?
 ???

 http://m.krmg.com/news/news/local/man-found-decapitated-police-suspect-suicide/nYNZh/ (http://m.krmg.com/news/news/local/man-found-decapitated-police-suspect-suicide/nYNZh/)

Guillotine with a time delay?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: makattak on September 28, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
Guillotine with a time delay?

I'm guessing hanging and a particularly heavy body.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 28, 2014, 09:55:21 PM
I'm guessing hanging and a particularly heavy body.


That was my first guess. Just seemed a bit odd on the lack of details in the original story.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: AJ Dual on September 28, 2014, 10:54:04 PM

That was my first guess. Just seemed a bit odd on the lack of details in the original story.

Style points for crazy-gluing your hands to the side of your head so it looks like you ripped it off yourself in a fit of rage.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: KD5NRH on September 29, 2014, 10:14:35 AM
I'm guessing hanging and a particularly heavy body.

Says his hands and feet were tied too.  Seems an odd thing to do to yourself.  Even if you hate you enough to kill you.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Tallpine on September 29, 2014, 10:22:48 AM
Says his hands and feet were tied too.  Seems an odd thing to do to yourself.  Even if you hate you enough to kill you.

To make sure you don't back out  ???
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: KD5NRH on September 29, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
To make sure you don't back out  ???

I could maybe see it if you were going to lay on the conveyor at the sawmill, but it's not like there's a lot of opportunity to back out of a hanging.  Maybe you could grab the rope and hold yourself up for a while, but tying the feet seems a lot of effort when you could just kick the chair/ladder/horse/whatever over so it's not available anymore.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: AJ Dual on September 29, 2014, 10:53:50 AM
I could maybe see it if you were going to lay on the conveyor at the sawmill, but it's not like there's a lot of opportunity to back out of a hanging.  Maybe you could grab the rope and hold yourself up for a while, but tying the feet seems a lot of effort when you could just kick the chair/ladder/horse/whatever over so it's not available anymore.

My guess is he didn't have somewhere high enough to do it properly, so he tied his hands and feet to prevent himself from getting back up, and did it kneeling on something like a stool. Like a closet hanging.

Other people use lots of alcohol or pills to reduce their ability to struggle and get back up, or take pressure off the noose.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Balog on September 29, 2014, 11:40:45 AM
Says his hands and feet were tied too.  Seems an odd thing to do to yourself.  Even if you hate you enough to kill you.

People have tried to commit suicide by cutting their own head off with a chainsaw. When you get to the point where you're going to kill yourself rational thought is generally not a strong suit.
Title: Re:
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 29, 2014, 12:14:22 PM
Folks are very inventive
Title: Re:
Post by: SADShooter on September 29, 2014, 12:19:57 PM
Folks are very inventive

Yes. It's a shame to see all that energy and imagination flushed, when it could be applied to making life better. =(

(No, I'm not moralizing or judging suicides, but the loss/waste of all that potential is regrettable.)
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Tallpine on September 29, 2014, 01:51:26 PM
Quote
I'm not an especially brave man. But, if I were you and had lived my entire life the way you have, I don't think that the death I just described to you is not the one I would choose.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: KD5NRH on September 29, 2014, 02:15:33 PM
People have tried to commit suicide by cutting their own head off with a chainsaw.

Wasn't that guy mostly successful?  (As in like 80% severed, but 100% dead, I think.)
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Tallpine on September 29, 2014, 03:13:11 PM
The lady that jumped in the crocodile pond was the craziest  :O
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 29, 2014, 05:28:09 PM
I'm not an especially brave man. But, if I were you and had lived my entire life the way you have, I don't think that the death I just described to you is not the one I would choose.

What's to stop me? Fear of dieing?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: zxcvbob on September 29, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
Wasn't that guy mostly successful?  (As in like 80% severed, but 100% dead, I think.)

You get a lot of style-points for 100% severed.  Too bad he didn't quite get there.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 29, 2014, 06:10:50 PM
There's no need to get inventive in severing one's own head. Hanging and the guillotine are well-established methods, and can obviously be done solo.
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: SADShooter on September 29, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
There's no need to get inventive in severing one's own head. Hanging and the guillotine are well-established methods, and can obviously be done solo.

Fabricating a single-use guillotine would unambiguously demonstrate one's dedication to the task...
Title: Re: Jihad in America
Post by: Tallpine on September 29, 2014, 08:56:22 PM
Fabricating a single-use guillotine would unambiguously demonstrate one's dedication to the task...

Probably should test it out first  =D