Post by: HForrest on March 07, 2005, 01:27:41 PM
Anyway, someone called an organization named "WeTip" which is an anonymous crime reporting hotline. The police department was advised that this kid had a "kill list" and a weapon. He did have a kill list, but no weapon.
Although he had a hit list, which is wrong (I'm not sure about arrestable), but that's not really what concerns me so much. What concerns me is that anyone can just call in a single anonymous phone call, and have anyone led away by the police. Also, about the police officer with the AR15- Is it just me or is that overkill? The department in this little town of less than 25,000 issues an AR15 to every single officer in the force. There's one in every car. So, even if that is somehow okay and not an over-militarization of a smalltown police department, bringing one into a high school? I would have thought 3 handguns would be enough against a fifteen year old. Guess not. I suppose they were concerned about the possibilty of him taking a hostage, but I still think it was unnecessary.
What do you think?
Post by: nico on March 07, 2005, 01:37:11 PM
Post by: crt360 on March 07, 2005, 01:44:58 PM
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The department in this little town of less than 25,000 issues an AR15 to every single officer in the force.
Holy crap! Most of the little towns around here are lucky enough to get a few shotguns and a mini-14. One local department was raked over the coals for having an "arsenal" (which didn't even come close to an AR15 per man). The citizens seem to be at odds with the police and don't like paying taxes for weapons that have never been needed for their small law enforcement efforts.
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 07, 2005, 01:46:47 PM
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So, even if that is somehow okay and not an over-militarization of a smalltown police department, bringing one into a high school?
uhoh, my AR has transformed me into a militarization,uhh, person, or something!
just cause i buy a guitar does not make me a musician.
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Although he had a hit list, which is wrong (I'm not sure about arrestable), but that's not really what concerns me so much. What concerns me is that anyone can just call in a single anonymous phone call, and have anyone led away by the police.
see the problem is that nowadays, kids attention spans is so short, they MUST write things down in order to remember them.
back in my day, i could commit any number of things to memory and never leave a paper trail.
not that i had 'hit lists', but a good memory was helpful in cheating on tests. (lessee, the multiple choice answers in numeric order to the questions on the test are: C D A A B D C).
Post by: HForrest on March 07, 2005, 01:48:32 PM
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 07, 2005, 02:05:39 PM
Post by: Michigander on March 07, 2005, 02:09:32 PM
At this point, I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that the police had more information or evidence against this individual than the anonymous tip. The tip may have started the investigation, but there were probably other things found once the investigation got going.
Then again, maybe not.
Post by: HForrest on March 07, 2005, 02:30:28 PM
Post by: griz on March 07, 2005, 03:01:31 PM
And I agree, long guns sound like an over reaction against an unarmed individual. Of course I wasn't there, but maybe there was something else. Like maybe whoever turned over the list said the student was armed?
Post by: bratch on March 07, 2005, 03:13:24 PM
I'm assuming they did not know he was unarmed.
Perhaps the officer could have kept a lower profile than he did but to me it sounds like a well run arrest in a bad situation.
Whats the old saying "When going to a gunfight take a rifle and a friend with a rifle"
Post by: jamz on March 07, 2005, 03:44:56 PM
Love, James
Post by: Andrew Wyatt on March 07, 2005, 03:50:09 PM
If the cops dragged a coworker out of work under similar circumstances, would you feel the same way?
Post by: Michigander on March 07, 2005, 03:58:57 PM
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could someone define kill list for me?
If the cops dragged a coworker out of work under similar circumstances, would you feel the same way?
If the cops dragged a coworker out of work under similar circumstances, would you feel the same way?
Depends.
In this hypothetical, am I on the list? :shock:
Post by: jamz on March 07, 2005, 04:21:48 PM
Love, James
Post by: Guest on March 07, 2005, 05:37:29 PM
Post by: client32 on March 07, 2005, 06:08:50 PM
Post by: HForrest on March 07, 2005, 08:06:47 PM
Post by: griz on March 08, 2005, 01:57:09 AM
Post by: kfranz on March 08, 2005, 04:18:22 AM
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From what official sources have said, it was one tip. One. From an anonymous phone call, too. And since when do people go to jail for a piece of paper?
You don't. You go to jail for crimes. You can get taken down to the Police station if you are suspected of committing a crime, and where it goes from there kinda depends on your answers to their questions.
I'm in agreement with the others who wonder why people write stuff like this down...
Post by: jefnvk on March 08, 2005, 07:40:41 AM
I wouldn't want to make an arrest against a kid that potentially has a weapon without some backup.
Post by: doczinn on March 08, 2005, 03:09:22 PM
Post by: one45auto on March 09, 2005, 06:10:20 AM
The quotation you're looking for is one I've been using as my signature line.
Post by: griz on March 09, 2005, 07:47:10 AM
Do you know where the line came from? I like him as an author but don't know if that line is from a book, conversation, article, or whatever.
Thanks, Griz
Post by: Guest on March 09, 2005, 09:21:04 AM
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I have a "kill list" too, but everything on it is computer equipment or software.
There's a "kill switch" on my dirt bike; now, I'm afraid to push it!
Seriously, though, the public school system is so full of unintentional (?) consequences I don't know where to start. They make you go, they dumb you down, they teach propaganda, they ban guns, cops come when it's safe - not when it isn't. If I was braver I'd say the whole mess was designed to enslave us.
Post by: Sawdust on March 09, 2005, 09:49:22 AM
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hey, how do I subscribe to a thread without replying? I can't find the button.
Bottom left of the page: "Watch this topic for replies".
I dunno what exactly happens (i.e., mode of notification), but I clicked on it...
Sawdust
Post by: Gewehr98 on March 09, 2005, 01:03:18 PM
Memorize your kill list. We old-timers had to, what makes you so special?
(No, really, I don't have a kill list. I have a list of folks I'd like to see spend an unprotected night with Paris Hilton or Pamela Anderson, but I've memorized that, too!) :twisted:
Post by: 45r on March 09, 2005, 02:04:04 PM
Its better to have the AR and not need it than need the AR and not have it..............I dont think it was overkill.
YMMV
45R
Post by: Tallpine on March 10, 2005, 05:19:32 PM
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a good memory was helpful in cheating on tests
In the good old days, that good memory was just used to learn the material...
I once told one of my college professors that I had cheated on a test: I had actually read the textbook
Post by: Paddy on March 10, 2005, 05:27:59 PM
Post by: Rico567 on March 13, 2005, 09:35:54 AM
In a post-Columbine U.S., the incident described sounds to me like a very normal reaction.
As far as the cops being over-gunned, I agree with the previous contributor who said that as long as it's legal for me to own it too, I have no objection to the police having whatever it takes. As for the creeping militarization of the police, that's another -and quite serioius- problem, but one that goes beyond the scope of this thread. The police should be prepared for any possible threat. This stems not only from the N. Hollywood / Bank of America shootout, but the "FBI massacre" in FL which occurred earlier, and which should have produced more changes earlier than it did. If that means cops taking kids out of classrooms armed with M-16s, so be it.