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U.S. green lights 'anything into oil'
« on: August 14, 2008, 12:06:49 PM »
If this turns out to be as they are saying. it should do a lot to reduce our landfills by recycling all carbon based trash.

U.S. green lights 'anything into oil'
Defense Department OKs facilities turning natural produce into energy
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72275
By Joe Kovacs


A Georgia company looking to solve America's energy problem has finally teamed up with the federal government, hoping to make millions of barrels of oil every day from virtually anything that grows out of the Earth.

Bell Bio-Energy, Inc. says it has reached an agreement with the U.S. Defense Department to build seven test production plants, mostly on military bases, to quickly turn naturally grown material into fuel.

"What this means is that with the seven pilot plants  the military likes to refer to them as demonstrations  with those being built & it gives us the real-time engineering data that we need to finish the designs for a full-scale production facility," J.C. Bell, the man behind the project, told WND today.

"In 18 months or so, we will start manufacturing oil directly from waste and we will build up to about 500,000 barrels a day within two years. In another six months, we'll reach a million barrels a day."

As the United States now imports about 13 million barrels of oil a day, the only obstacle then to total energy independence from foreign sources will be the money needed to develop the processing plants, he said.

"Working with the USDA we've identified enough waste material around the country, we truly believe we can make the United States totally energy independent of foreign countries in about five years," he said.

WND originally reported on the project in March as Bell, an agricultural researcher, confirmed he'd isolated and modified specific bacteria that will, on a very large scale, naturally and rapidly convert plant material  including the leftovers from food  into hydrocarbons to fuel cars and trucks.

That means trash like corn stalks and corn cobs  even the grass clippings from suburban lawns  can be turned into oil and gasoline to run trucks, buses and cars.


Wood pulp is among the many natural materials that can be converted into oil and gasoline, according to Bell Bio-Energy, Inc., of Tifton, Ga.
 

He said he made the discovery standing downwind from his cows at his food-production company, Bell Plantation, in Tifton, Ga.

"Cows are like people that eat lots of beans. They're really, really good at making natural gas," he said. "It dawned on me that that natural gas was methane."

WND also reported how the national news media more or less ignored his announcement of a potential solution to America's dependence on Middle East nations for its oil.

But the U.S. military was listening. And Bell now confirms his agreement with the Department of Defense, the Defense Energy Support Center and the Army will have seven demonstration facilities built at Fort Benning and Fort Stewart in Georgia, Fort Bragg in North Carolina, Fort AP Hill in Virginia, Fort Drum in New York and Fort Lewis in Washington, as well as one more installation in San Pedro, Calif.

"We should have all of the plants running within 60 days," he said. "This is a big step in our growth, from the engineering that we develop with these plants, we will be able to build our full-scale production facilities and be in full production in the next 12 to 18 months.

"Everyone now accepts the fact that we can make oil through bacterial action and now it is just a matter of time and money until we are turning out one million to two million barrels per day," he said.

He told WND the first full-scale facility probably will cost $100 million to $125 million to build, and that an investment of $2.5 billion likely will be needed to reach a production level of a million barrels per day.

But he said the return  even if the oil were sold for $70 a barrel, just half of what it was going for six weeks ago and still substantially lower than the current market rate of about $110 a barrel  would be significant.

"It will feel very, very good to be to the point where we finally turn off the spigot from overseas," he said.

The process previously had been verified, said Dr. Art Robinson, a research professor of chemistry at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine who publishes the Access to Energy newsletter. "These other ways [of producing energy] work; the only question is if they're competitive in price. Any hydrocarbon under pressure and temperature can turn into oil."

How big does Bell believe the process eventually could be?

"With minor changes in the agricultural and forestry products, we could create two to two and a half billion tons of biomass a year, and you're looking at five billion barrels of oil per year," he said.

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Re: U.S. green lights 'anything into oil'
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 12:13:17 PM »
I hope this is accurate.

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 12:16:39 PM »
The bacteria have to eat something. I hope there is enough of it to go around, whatever it is.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 12:16:53 PM »
Hasn't this been around since 2004?
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Re: U.S. green lights 'anything into oil'
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 12:17:19 PM »
Only thing that concerns me is the removal of organic material from the soil by taking crop stover and slash from tree harvests.

If they were looking at doing it from manure and human waste/trash I would be more into it.



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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 01:03:22 PM »
Well, remember that there was  process called low temperature thermal depolymerization that was also going to solve the oil problem. last I heard the pilot was bleeding money.
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 01:16:28 PM »
didn't they use this to power the Delorean in "Back to the Future"? grin
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 01:39:28 PM »
Best of luck to them. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 01:54:32 PM »
If they're just getting ready to start building these pilot plants they're smoking crack if they think they can actually build them and have them producing in 6 months.  They're smoking something much more potent if they think that in 18-24 months they'll have full scale plants up and running.  18-24 years is much more realistic.  First they have to get the land.  Then go through the permitting process including all the environmentalist lawsuits to try and stop them.  Then they can actually start building.  From that point they'll be at 18-24 months from full production levels.

If they can make it work, then I'm all for it.  But lets not fool ourselves with the timeframe.
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Re: U.S. green lights 'anything into oil'
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 01:58:42 PM »
Well, remember that there was  process called low temperature thermal depolymerization that was also going to solve the oil problem. last I heard the pilot was bleeding money.

That was also when oil was ~1/3 the price it is now.  The difference between losing money and making it was only a few dollars a barrel back then.

Part of the reason for losing money was they had to install more pollution controls(it stunk), and the butterball factory they get most of their waste from decided to charge for it - the business plan had figured on getting it for free because of an anticipated ban on using it in animal feed due to BSE.

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First they have to get the land.  Then go through the permitting process including all the environmentalist lawsuits to try and stop them.  Then they can actually start building.  From that point they'll be at 18-24 months from full production levels.

The military help should short circuit much of this, not to mention the green biofuel part.  There weren't significant obstacles to building ethanol plants, after all.

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 02:18:53 PM »
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First they have to get the land.  Then go through the permitting process including all the environmentalist lawsuits to try and stop them.  Then they can actually start building.  From that point they'll be at 18-24 months from full production levels.

The military help should short circuit much of this, not to mention the green biofuel part.  There weren't significant obstacles to building ethanol plants, after all.
I was talking about the full scale plants, not the pilot plants.  The military probably doesn't the space for a full scale plant.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 03:42:35 PM »
Wait till they figure out that they can make oil out of hemp  shocked
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 07:49:41 PM »
Where are the Democrats to tell us that it won't make a difference for at least 10 years, so we shouldn't pursue it at all?
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 03:59:40 AM »
Thermal depolymerization is already being used in large scale by ConAgra. All the offal from the Butterball turkey plant gets turned into fuel oil, solvents, and gas to run the plant itself. The only final product is carbon powder that can be used for industry, uses like printer toner.l

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 07:26:03 AM »
Wait till they figure out that they can make oil out of hemp  shocked

Been able to do so for years. For one, diesel engines can run on hemp vegetable oil. Second, you can feed hemp into a thermal polymerization plant, if I understand correctly.
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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2008, 08:22:37 AM »
Been able to do so for years. For one, diesel engines can run on hemp vegetable oil. Second, you can feed hemp into a thermal polymerization plant, if I understand correctly.

It's thermal depolymerization actually, and one of the joys of TDP is you can feed it a mix of VX, Sarin, Ricin, Botox and get nothing really hazardous out.

You can feed just about anything into a TDP plant.

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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2008, 09:46:31 AM »
Soylent Diesel! 

Next collection site:  Chuck E. Cheese's, hydrocarbon sources arriving en masse at the front door via Suburban/Excursion, wearing soccer uniforms.  grin 
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2008, 09:52:49 AM »
Soylent Diesel! 

Next collection site:  Chuck E. Cheese's, hydrocarbon sources arriving en masse at the front door via Suburban/Excursion, wearing soccer uniforms.  grin 

They don't need any more oil. There's enough on their pizza.

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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2008, 10:21:36 AM »
No, that's the beauty of the system - liquify the soccer mommy, her gaggle of crotchfruit, her permanently-attached cellphone, and add the grease from the Chuck E. Cheese pizza dive.  Biodiesel efficiency in one location!   shocked
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2008, 11:05:23 AM »
No, that's the beauty of the system - liquify the soccer mommy, her gaggle of crotchfruit, her permanently-attached cellphone, and add the grease from the Chuck E. Cheese pizza dive.  Biodiesel efficiency in one location!   shocked

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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2008, 11:06:14 AM »
I'd buy a second SUV just to fuel it on soccer moms and little kids.

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2008, 11:14:14 AM »
One of the people I work with said:

"I'll be pissed if this technology screws up my ability to get a cheap electric car in the near future!"

He seems to think that oil is a crappy energy storage medium, and that electrochemical batteries are better.  rolleyes

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2008, 11:26:39 AM »
I'm hoping this means my recently purchased gas-guzzelling truck was aquired just in time.  Gas prices fall, truck demand rebounds, in 3 years I sell the truck for what I just paid for it.  It came with an extended warrantee that I didn't have pay to transfer, and free oil changes for another 5 years.  That'll mean just having to pay for gas, insurance and few maintenance items like tires during that time. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2008, 03:53:56 PM »
Hrmm.

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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2008, 10:16:01 PM »
mfree, I hope you are referring to the Gewehr plan.  What a Swift-witted fellow you are.   

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