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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: never_retreat on October 12, 2014, 08:53:21 PM
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T- 7 minutes.
That is all.
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5 seconds left. Hurry
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It hasn't lost its edge yet :O
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ZOMBIES!
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I love Carols new makeup
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Holy commercials batman, I think they are out timing the show.
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Yeah. Quite the commercial load...
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HOLY CRAP!
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They brought back Morgan Jones from season 1. Hmmmm......
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Holy commercials batman, I think they are out timing the show.
I DVR'd it to watch after Boardwalk Empire. FF through the commercials, got about 35 minutes of show.
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I love Carols new makeup
:rofl:
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I laughed i cried ... oh OK i didn't cry but it was really good - i knew that terminus was a cult - i am never going anywhere where they tell me to after the apocalypse - always go where they tell you not too - they never addressed whether or not maggie/glen crew had a "plate" before being cattlecarred .... I knew the guy was gonna get it when he kicked Tyreese out of the cabin hahahahahah I laughed thru the whole show...
Missed it last season but caught up with most of it during the marathon - i always wondered why carol shot the little girl - now i know ... I like the new improved carol
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The question is who is the biggest bada$$ on the show...Rick, Daryl, or Carol?
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The question is who is the biggest bada$$ on the show...Rick, Daryl, or Carol?
or Carl.
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Too much action. I miss the existential-angsty Rick.
OK. Not. :cool:
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Here, let me tell you what's going to happen this season.
They are going to have a flurry of action to start off the season. (Episode one appears to have fulfilled that.)
They will then spend most of the rest of the episodes teasing you with action and apparently building up to another resolution.
You'll get a few drips and drabs through the season leading up to a grand finale full of action and cliffhangers that will pull you back in next season to sit through the interminable hours of talking and posturing to set up a shot bit of action.
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Here, let me tell you what's going to happen this season.
They are going to have a flurry of action to start off the season. (Episode one appears to have fulfilled that.)
They will then spend most of the rest of the episodes teasing you with action and apparently building up to another resolution.
You'll get a few drips and drabs through the season leading up to a grand finale full of action and cliffhangers that will pull you back in next season to sit through the interminable hours of talking and posturing to set up a shot bit of action.
And the problem with that is.........
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I have to admit, though, I really expected the Terminus angle to last more than an hour...
I suspect, though, that Garrett is going to be this season's main antagonist.
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why did they not take the car?
how is Michone getting her sword back?
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Not sure why they didn't take the car. Just another in the series of bad choices, I guess.
I'd also say that Michone's katana is gone for good.
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And the problem with that is.........
Nothing. I was just describing the plot to pretty much every action anime, as well. (At least from the 90s. Maybe the newer ones are different... but I doubt it.)
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I have to admit, though, I really expected the Terminus angle to last more than an hour...
Same here. I was expecting an arc covering a few episodes, ending in their escape, and possibly losing one or two of their number along the way. Oh well.
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Just read that the blond guy who was the first to get his head konked and throat slit at the trough is:
A. The semi-hippy whose shoulder was set (and whose girlfriend was eaten) just before Rick cast Carol out of the group.
B. Is the guy who plays the Penguin on Gotham (which is not at all a bad series).
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Just read that the blond guy who was the first to get his head konked and throat slit at the trough is:
A. The semi-hippy whose shoulder was set (and whose girlfriend was eaten) just before Rick cast Carol out of the group.
B. Is the guy who plays the Penguin on Gotham (which is not at all a bad series).
That would be "B" Mike! I heard it on "Talking Dead"! Pretty good show it's own self.
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Actually both A and B are the case. It wasn't a "which one is true" question.
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Actually both A and B are the case. It wasn't a "which one is true" question.
Good point!
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And that right there is the right way to start a season off. Bad ass.
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Looks like Morgan Jones is back (played by Lennie James). That's a story arc I am looking forward to seeing more of.
Nothing more on the Beth character. Wonder if she's toast after her kidnapping?
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Beth will be back - i missed the episode where she disappeared but in previews she's there.
My prediction for this season is they take the scientist to DC, bond with him - then they find out its all his fault and also come to the conclusion they have to kill him, because his cure would make things even worse.
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My prediction for this season is they take the scientist to DC, bond with him - then they find out its all his fault and also come to the conclusion they have to kill him, because his cure would make things even worse.
My prediction is the scientist is a fraud.
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I am in the "he caused it" camp.
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My prediction is the scientist is a fraud.
Agreed. Smart grifter who played an angle to stay alive and is now stalling for time.
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There was a spot when the army guy was telling the chick "no not yet". I missed if she said something to him? Anyone catch that? Right before they saddled up and split off.
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I am in the "he caused it" camp.
Real scientists don't wear mullets.
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Real scientists don't wear mullets.
Point of order:
Several years into the apocalypse....how do these people get their damn haircuts?
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Point of order:
Several years into the apocalypse....how do these people get their damn haircuts?
Or shave.
(although to be fair, Rick Carl, and Daryl all have hair noticeably longer than in the beginning)
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My prediction is that they decide terminus was right and eat him.
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Some of those are incredibly stupid.
Several of them made me LOL!
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Some of those are incredibly stupid.
Several of them made me LOL!
I guffawed!
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Glenn found himself a Mosin-Marauder Nagant carbine with the folding bayonet.
Why the hell didn't they use that to Spearfish the basement zombies through the hole in the floor?
Stupid.
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I don't think Glenn was at the food bank. He was at the gun shop.
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Ah. You may be right.
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This episode had a couple of tag lines that make me really want to post spoilers, which is rare...
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Holy *expletive deleted*it!!!
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Holy *expletive deleted* it!!!
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Yum yum!
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"If you like your foot, you can keep it."
(e.t.a: On "Talking Dead" they were referring to the final scene as "The Bob-B-Q")
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They should have nuked Terminus from orbit .... it was the only way to be sure. [tinfoil]
Rick had the right idea .... hope he gets the opportunity to implement it.
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They should have nuked Terminus from orbit .... it was the only way to be sure. [tinfoil]
Rick had the right idea .... hope he gets the opportunity to implement it.
Time to implement the Ricktatorship again.
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i guess the termites didn't want to accept defeat
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i guess the termites didn't want to accept defeat
They think "defeat" is a food, obviously .... [tinfoil]
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I REALLY hope the hipster *expletive deleted*che cannibal keeps his appointment with Rick's red handled machete.....
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I REALLY hope the hipster *expletive deleted* cannibal keeps his appointment with Rick's red handled machete.....
I suspect he'll be around for a while. With the demise of the Governor and the demise of the Claimers, Rick & co. need a new arch-nemesis.
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I REALLY hope the hipster *expletive deleted* cannibal keeps his appointment with Rick's red handled machete.....
After the buildup, yeah, it would be a bummer if Rick didn't finish him with the machete.
During the scene with what's-his-name, when they were eating his leg, just as he was coming to, it really looked like one of the people in his "blurred" vision was the guy Tyrone said he killed in the cabin. He kept Carol from going in, so I wonder if he ended up not being able to kill him and just gave him an ass whooping and let him go? If so, I think there's gonna be a good regret scene coming up.
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I suspect he'll be around for a while. With the demise of the Governor and the demise of the Claimers, Rick & co. need a new arch-nemesis.
Yep. I suspect he'll hop in and out of every episode for a while.
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From wikipedia's write-up of the episode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangers_%28The_Walking_Dead%29#Reception):
And somehow, this moment have been worse than any of them. Bob being eaten. Alive. By a hipster.
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Welp....
After last night EVERY SINGLE ONE of my plot predictions for this season has officially gone straight to hell and died.
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Welp....
After last night EVERY SINGLE ONE of my plot predictions for this season has officially gone straight to hell and died.
Yep. Cannibal hipsters . . . gone.
Looks like next episode with be Beth-centric.
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Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be a villain more evil that the Guvnor.
Time to invest with a red handle machete manufacturer.
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I see Gareth has bitten off more than he could chew...... [popcorn] :lol: :rofl:
I would have lost all respect for Rick if he hadn't pulled that off.
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OMFGBBQ!
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Ah, nice to see Gareth keep his appointment with the red handled machete.... =D
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So definitely the guy Tyrone said that he killed (the guy that had his hand on Judith's neck) was still alive. The others had to have recognized him, but no one has said a word about it.
Not sure that I like the group splitting up again. Last season I thought it led to a little too much scene jumping and discontinuity. The story line always seems tighter when the group is together.
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Every once in a while, I read the comments section at IMDB on one or the other of my favorite shows to catch extra plot info. I was just doing so for TWD re: my post above, and saw this thread on "what weapons do you have for the zombie apocalypse?"
None of us at APS have anything to worry about. All these fools will be out getting themselves killed and distracting the walkers for us:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/board/thread/236245824?p=1
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I can't say that I was particularly thrilled with last night's episode.
But it was nice to see Beth again. Yowza yowza!
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I can't say that I was particularly thrilled with last night's episode.
But it was nice to see Beth again. Yowza yowza!
Was speaking with a cousin about the show last night. Despite the tactical stupidity and soap opera BS, on thing I thing I think the show does really well is explore the psychological dimension of dealing with a long-term survival situation. This episode opened a new door on how people would cope and rationalize their decisions. So, not a favorite for me either, but interesting in that sense. (Except that hearing Junior Kimbrough on vinyl in the apocalypse was pretty neat. Kudos to whichever writer/producer is a North Mississippi blues fan. :cool:)
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"The nightmare ends... don't let the nightmare end you."
Beth & Carol versus matriarchal police state!
I like!
Was speaking with a cousin about the show last night. Despite the tactical stupidity and soap opera BS, on thing I thing I think the show does really well is explore the psychological dimension of dealing with a long-term survival situation. This episode opened a new door on how people would cope and rationalize their decisions. So, not a favorite for me either, but interesting in that sense. (Except that hearing Junior Kimbrough on vinyl in the apocalypse was pretty neat. Kudos to whichever writer/producer is a North Mississippi blues fan. :cool:)
yup, that is one of the most inneresting aspects of the show - one thing I hope our fave zombie killers begin to realize is having a rendezvous point or two to go to in case of separation
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The 'to each according to their needs' lady looks to be potentially a lot more dangerous than any of the psychopaths they've run into thus far.
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The 'to each according to their needs' lady looks to be potentially a lot more dangerous than any of the psychopaths they've run into thus far.
Lewis' tyranny of the well-meaning incarnate...
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The Wikipedia article for the series mentions a companion series in development using different characters than those on TWD.I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some crossover with the hospital people and/or other (potential)survivor groups along the journey to DC.A parallel vector of choices.
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Damnit, Eugene!
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My prediction is the scientist is a fraud.
You win one innernetz!
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Oh, and, it's about damn time they have weapons with optics. Glenn has a sweet setup!
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You win one innernetz!
I'll take 2nd prize for calling specifics.
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Two Three questions/observations I had at the end of the episode:
1) Will Eugene's injuries prove fatal or, if not, cause permanent brain damage?
2) Will Abraham be tempted, once again, to eat his gun? Getting Eugene to D.C. seemed to be his sole reason to carry on, and with that gone, what else is there? Besides shagging whats-her-name, that is.
3) With Eugene's secret revealed, I presume Team Abraham will be rejoining Team Rick at the church.
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Two Three questions/observations I had at the end of the episode:
1) Will Eugene's injuries prove fatal or, if not, cause permanent brain damage?
2) Will Abraham be tempted, once again, to eat his gun? Getting Eugene to D.C. seemed to be his sole reason to carry on, and with that gone, what else is there? Besides shagging whats-her-name, that is.
3) With Eugene's secret revealed, I presume Team Abraham will be rejoining Team Rick at the church.
1) My gut says yes.
2) Yes. But will he in the end?
3) Agreed. But I see them having to deal with trying to talk Abraham off the ledge.
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My prediction is the scientist is a fraud.
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Posted for no particular reason (other than an excuse to look at Emily Kinney's bum):
https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/emily-kinney-bum-pic-celebrates-daryl-walking-dead-221308679.html
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Firstly they trolled everybody good with Darryl burning the body.
Second, now there's another minor black character to kill off quickly :rofl:
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Firstly they trolled everybody good with Darryl burning the body.
Second, now there's another minor black character to kill off quickly :rofl:
He better not p'o Darryl -- again.
Next time he probably won't relent, and leave him under a bookcase. :O
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Firstly they trolled everybody good with Darryl burning the body.
Maybe I missed something, but who/what was trolled?
Chris
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Maybe I missed something, but who/what was trolled?
Chris
Media/social media played up the scene of him burning the body, which was leaked at the end of last week as a possible lead on Beth's fate.
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Media/social media played up the scene of him burning the body, which was leaked at the end of last week as a possible lead on Beth's fate.
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Ahh, gotcha. I don't pay attention to that stuff, so I was unaware.
Chris
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Okay half burned asphalt zombies are horrifying.
And Sasha is a dipshit. I knew he was gonna make a play. That first cop hit it perfectly, they were the antagonists against the female cop running the show.
She doesn't want them back.
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Beth's dead, baby. Beth's dead.
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Beyond pissed right now.
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It just dawned on me that this may be a first for the show...
There is no identifiable "major threat" character in the show right now.
No Shane, no Governor, no Garrett/Mary, no whatever the cop woman's name was...
Even when the Governor had been 'defeated' he was still out in the ether as a potential threat, one of the reasons why Michone kept looking for him.
Now, though, unless the cops at the hospital decide to get some revenge, I have to wonder what's going to pop up in the second half of the season...
I'm still madder than hell about last night, though.
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A show based on a sort of silly, make believe premise. And yet it draws you in and causes a gut wrenching emotional reaction. That is what great drama (and great acting) is supposed to do. We may not like the plot twists, but- Well done, Bravo.
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A show based on a sort of silly, make believe premise.
That's exactly what they want you to believe [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
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A show based on a sort of silly, make believe premise. And yet it draws you in and causes a gut wrenching emotional reaction. That is what great drama (and great acting) is supposed to do. We may not like the plot twists, but- Well done, Bravo.
I remember just before it debuted, I was thinking a weekly show about zombies (which I do like) would get old really quick, regardless of how well you liked zombies.
I'm happy to say I was dead (get it?) wrong!
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Man did that suck. I understand why Norman Readus said it was one of the tougher scenes he's shot on the show. Kind of like when Sophia came out of the barn in Season 2, just ripping at the heart strings.
I'm guessing the second half of the season will introduce another baddie. Issues that make us talk at work...
- What's the deal with Father Gabriel? Is he a fool, or is there evil lurking inside...
- What role is Morgan going to play in all of this?
- Where will the group head now that there's no reason to go to D.C.?
- What happened to the spin-off series that was being discussed last year? Where will it be set?
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Rick is acting like Shane now.Hitting that ex-cop with the car was my ohmygawdicantbelievehedidthat moment.I wonder if the group will find him to be a liability.
I can see Abraham taking over the group.
In the previews Michone is shown having a mini meltdown.I can't wait to see why.
Overall,I'm disappointed with how this season has started.The Terminus angle might have been extended a bit.The pace is slower and un-focused.When something does happen it's over really quickly.The episode with the melted dead kinda irritated me.No scorch marks on the buildings,wood framed windows still intact.Temperatures hot enough to liquefy asphalt that doesn't cook the walkers.Suspension of disbelief is one thing that was well beyond that.It's like a 400 page book that moves at a slow,almost boring,but steady pace.Then just when you realize that there's only fifteen pages left and are wondering about a sequel,the author introduces Aliens that swoop down,pluck Timmy from the well,eat Lassie and go back to Omega-3.The end.Roll credits.A cheat.
Wikipedia shows the Morgan character as being in two episodes this season.Apparently he'll make an appearance in the second half sometime.
Also from Wikipedia,about the spin off series:
Companion series[edit]
In September 2013, AMC announced they were developing a companion series to The Walking Dead, which will follow a different set of characters created by Robert Kirkman.[66] In September 2014, AMC ordered a pilot to go into production in late 2014, which was written by Kirkman and Dave Erickson. It will be executive produced by Kirkman, Erickson, Gale Anne Hurd and David Alpert, with Erickson to serve as showrunner.[67] On December 1, 2014, it was confirmed the untitled Walking Dead spinoff, aka Cobalt, would take place during the same zombie apocalypse depicted on The Walking Dead but in a different location. It revolves around a male divorced teacher and a female guidance counselor. Frank Dillane will play the woman's son who has a battling drug problem and Alycia Debnam-Carey will play the woman's daughter.
I hope for a better good second half.
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"Aliens that swoop down,pluck Timmy from the well,eat Lassie and go back to Omega-3."
I like it.
That said, I liked the first half of this season. A LOT.
I was rather shocked that the Terminus angle played out as quickly as it did, but then again, if it had dragged on for several weeks or longer, woudln't it just be another Woodbury? Beth in the hospital was this half-season's recurrent storyline. I like that it was wrapped up, even though I hate how it was done.
As for Father Gabriel, I can't really see him being anything more than a minor character. He reached his epiphany regarding the nature of the Terminus crowd when he saw the leftover Bob-B-Que, but I'm not so sure that he's made the leap to full-fledged zombie killer. You could see that when he tossed the female zombie off, picked up a rock to crush her skull, and then couldn't finish the deed when he was the cross around her neck.
Rick is acting like Shane....
No.
Rick has become more ruthless, some of the Ricktator is back, but other than that he's nothing like Shane.
Shane wanted to lead the group not because he felt he was the better leader, but because he wanted Lori, and he was willing to kill Rick AND endanger the entire group to get her.
Rick is focused on leading and protecting his people. A good example is how they approached getting Beth and Carol back.
Shane would have gone in, guns blazing. Rick also wanted to take that approach.
Shane never would have moved away from that position. Trade even up? Hell no, go in and kill them. Rick's willingness to try a different method, one with less possible potential of bloodshed and which would be mutually beneficial, shows that he's not a Shane.
I think in a lot of ways Shane was a lot more like the Governor. Relentless, vicious, and once he decides on a path, nothing will change his mind.
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The violence/drama has taken a backseat, I think, to the psychological exploration we've discussed before. E.g., Gabriel has gotten through the zombpocalypse without actively lifting a hand to kill anyone/thing, but he's tortured because his cowardice & passivity caused deaths anyway (witness machete-head). Eugene has survived by guile and deception. Dawn and the hospital crew illustrate evil born of good intentions. In contrast, Rick's simple "all you had to do was stop" approach seems almost refreshing. And Beth's demise was shocking, but that's exactly what the creators of this ridiculous thrill ride intended.
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Because we're gunnies, how about that revolver Maggie is carrying? Smith R8. Awesome gun. Not as nice as Rick's Python, but it's nice to see some revolver love in the show...
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I was looking but couldn't find it - I predicted way back when they were on the farm that Beth was gonna die.... I was still surprised because it was beginning to look like she had a real future .....
I think they are so used to protecting Eugene that they will continue to do so and he will evolve into a useful member, they seem to want a priest around to remind them of civilization - i predict he will baptize Judith and the previews suggest they have some real funerals ....
I think they go back to take over woodbury and "do it right" but a tsunami of walkers arrives at the end of the season as a cliff hangar - next to die is tyreeses sister whatshername - the one that let the rouge cop knock her out - she's a good shot but a dumbass
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I think they will appreciate Eugene as being a smart guy with useful ideas; possibly taking up his notion of traveling to DC to check for a stable enclave of civilization.
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I predict that Eugene will outlive Abraham.
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I predict that Eugene will outlive Abraham.
I'm gonna hold you to that!
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Just caught up last night. Wow - that was out of the blue. Just think, that poor family was getting along so well until they met Rick's group. :laugh:
Somebody help me out - what did Beth mean by "I understand now" just before lady cop killed her? I was just figuring she meant she understood that lady cop was a sociopath, but was there something deeper that made her do that just before she could have walked away?
I'm really looking forward to the Morgan episodes. From that last couple of minutes in this episode, I'm trying to figure out if he's still a little bonkers, or if he's had some kind of epiphany. He seemed like he was really at ease and comfortable with everything.
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I took it to mean that she finally understood Dawn's approach to staying in charge. It tied back in to the scene in which Beth confronts the cop who is complaining about Carol's use of resources, asking him how much electric his DVD uses.
Dawn then orders Carol to be disconnected from the machines, and tells Beth "You just killed that woman."
It's all a series of passive-aggressive power plays for Dawn.
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I'm gonna hold you to that!
Duly noted.
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"it's better now"
Awww.
Glad to see ghost Beth, I like her music.
Tyreese was getting to soft/sentimental- plus this episode I couldn't help but notice everyone else but Tyreese is kind of slim but Tyreese was looking like he had a stash of twinkies hidden away that he wasn't sharing with the group - I gotta figure a year or two after the apocalypse that folks would be skinnier :old:
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Too many black people. I figured one of them was done in today. :laugh:
Seriously, though. *expletive deleted*ing a. Tyreese was a bad ass when he wasn't being all mushy. :mad:
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Black people are the red shirts of Walking Dead.
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What a disarming episode .... :angel: [tinfoil]
I was sorry to see Tyrese go.
Coulda have been a little less .... mushy .... *SIGH!*
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Tyreese was a fan fave.
Judith next is my prediction.
I liked the collection of armless headless zombies - hahahah - whoever did that is going to be a problem for the "group"
They're still going going to go to D.C?
It just shows how liberal the writers are, uh yeah ...D.C?
I would go to the southwest desert- - snow would cover to many walkers in the north east in winter and you could step on a biter, in a desert you can see them coming if on high ground - but there would be fewer the father away from a city - why not make bio diesel from them and run a generator and trucks - use the fire truck to lure them away from your base
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I think they got so much press outta Beth dying that they thought they could do the same trick twice -
Tyreese was a fan fave.
Judith next is my prediction.
I liked the collection of armless headless zombies - hahahah - whoever did that is going to be a problem for the "group"
They're still going going to go to D.C?
It just shows how liberal the writers are, uh yeah ...D.C?
I would go to the southwest desert- - snow would cover to many walkers in the north east in winter and you could step on a biter, in a desert you can see them coming if on high ground - but there would be fewer the father away from a city - why not make bio diesel from them and run a generator and trucks - use the fire truck to lure them away from your base
I think that in large part, the group is looking for some semblance of "normal" life, a society in which they can live. Most of us can, and would, live in a world where it's just the trusted few...family and close trusted friends. And, we'd run off to someplace like Gunsmith is talking about, where odds of running into walkers is remote.
Now, with that said, from a writing perspective, think of all that can be done with DC. You've got the big city angle. You've got links to international news...what's going on in the rest of the world. You've got politicians, who may have been walkers before the outbreak even started :lol:. Frankly, I'm curious to see if the group can find someone with news. I want to know how far the bug has spread, and what the global impact has been.
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No, I think Judith is safe.
Noah, on the other hand...
He's black.
Strike one (according to some people here, apparently ;/).
He's apparently gotten a full-time gig on another series.
Strike two, and you're out of here!
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What a disarming episode .... :angel: [tinfoil]
I was sorry to see Tyrese go.
Coulda have been a little less .... mushy .... *SIGH!*
yeah they were really trying to tug at the heartstrings but I was all like, big deal so what, I only cry when adorable young women die-fully grown males? ;/
ooooh, disarming !!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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And here comes a mysterious stranger with a lifeline just when the group is at rock bottom.....
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I would go to the southwest desert- - snow would cover to many walkers in the north east in winter and you could step on a biter, in a desert you can see them coming if on high ground - but there would be fewer the father away from a city - why not make bio diesel from them and run a generator and trucks - use the fire truck to lure them away from your base
Desert SW has a lot of limiting resources to sustain life.
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Lake Lanier in Georgia. Lots of islands. Freshwater, fish and presumably decent game ashore if needed.
Clarks Hill Lake, near Agusta. Same thing.
Alternatively, many of these lakes have Peninsulas with narrow roads leading in that could be blocked off.
Further north, there is Smith Island in the Chesapeake. Fresh water is more of an issue, and there would be a resident population to deal with.
The writers make the show interesting on purpose. It's their job. Surviving on an island fishing and foraging from time to time wouldn't make a good show.
Oh, and DC is in the comics, right?
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Alexandria_Safe-Zone
Alexandria, actually. There's definitely some sort of tie in with the DC theme.
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I'm trying to understand how they could be within 60 miles of DC in any direction and not have water. This region is full of creeks, rivers, streams, swamps, etc. Hell, Fredericksburg, VA is just under 60 miles to the south and you have the Rappahannock River cutting through the area. It would take a hell of a drought, over years, to dry that river up. A bit further to the west has you crossing both the Rapidan and Rappahannock rivers. They're much smaller at this point, but still a decent amount of surface water.
Oh, and the piney woods (and did I spy sandy soil?) they showed in this episode peter out much further south than 60 miles away. That was more NC (if near I95) terrain, putting them over 100 miles away.
They're coming from Atlanta, so they're traveling Northeast. Even if they came through the Shenandoah Valley, they would be in hill country by the time they hit within 60 miles of DC (that would be close to Linden, VA I believe). Again, no sandy soil and no piney woods as shown in this episode.
Chris
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I was away for the weekend and came home to find that my internet and TV feed went down.
I didn't get any of Sunday's episode.
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The whole thing is apparently filmed in a very small slice of Georgia, so no surprise about the sandy soil and pine woods.
And yes, I had the exact same thought about water, Chris. You generally can't go for more than a few miles in this area without crossing a body of water of some type.
Noah's house was supposedly in Richmond, so they'd be coming up roughly the 95 corridor. 60 miles south of DC would be down around the Falmouth area, a bit south of that, actually.
A look at google maps shows just how frigging much water they would be crossing, and how much they would be passing. Most of it wouldn't be visible from 95, but they would notice the streams they would be going over.
Oh, and what's the very best thing to do when you're dehydrated? Marching down the middle of a sun-baked highway in the full sun. ;/
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Top 10 Facts: The Walking Dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G3jChi69Nw)
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Factually no way they could cross that terrain without water. But the lack of supplies was necessary to set the rock bottom tone.
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Hmm. The previews for next week's episode don't show any other people in the compound. Rick probably made the right call with his "hide-a-gun".
Also, after stupid Lori, you'd think they'd learn to keep their eyes on the road when driving.
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Hmm. The previews for next week's episode don't show any other people in the compound. Rick probably made the right call with his "hide-a-gun".
Also, after stupid Lori, you'd think they'd learn to keep their eyes on the road when driving.
Thought I heard kids playing in the back ground?
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Sooo much hate on a fishing forum over the gayzzzz showing up. Nevermind that they were in the comic (Aaron).
My gut says that where this will depart from the comic is there is something more to Alexandria than meets the eye. And in the comics, Alexandria eventually fell.
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Thought I heard kids playing in the back ground?
I did too, which is why it was curious that no new faces were in the preview. Maybe just preview teaser stuff, but with their luck, somebody had a recording running. Also, with that much noise, even if walkers can't get into the compound, you'd think they'd be all over the place outside. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill though.
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Sooo much hate on a fishing forum over the gayzzzz showing up. Nevermind that they were in the comic (Aaron).
Surprised it took this long for gays to show up, with the various networks embracing "diversity" these days; lots of incentive to get 'em in there somehow. (Hmmm - they missed an opportunity to have a story arc with the "Cannibal Gays of Terminus" last season.) And a lot of folks - me included - haven't read the comics. I'll bet a lot of viewers, even today, aren't even aware that the show is based on comic books.
I did too, which is why it was curious that no new faces were in the preview. Maybe just preview teaser stuff, but with their luck, somebody had a recording running. Also, with that much noise, even if walkers can't get into the compound, you'd think they'd be all over the place outside. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill though.
And they drive right up to the gate and - nobody is watching? No sentries?
As for the lack of walkers around the compound, the new gay guy mentioned that they'd "cleared" the area around the compound and Route 16 - though how they kept more from wandering in wasn't addressed.
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I actually think the gayzor thing indicates safety. They get to be all lovey dovey and be themselves. Which makes me think that despite the best laid defenses, there is some kind of softness to the Alexandria group that will make them vulnerable.
And everytime this group has been comfortable for too long...that comes to a violent end.
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My gut says that where this will depart from the comic is there is something more to Alexandria than meets the eye. And in the comics, Alexandria eventually fell.
One possible twist: not everyone in Rick's group passes the audition. Then the group will have to decide whether or not to stick together.
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Yep, they cleared route 16, but not 23...
That would be great if they were in far, far, and I mean FAR fricking western Virginia and were pretty much headed over the Blue Ridge into Kentucky.
Not so great for getting anywhere near "Alexandria."
And there is NOWHERE in Virginia that they could have gotten that view out of the window of the RV. The elevation was far too high. There are a few places on the Virginia side that are a little higher, than the Washington side, but nothing like that.
I THINK in the comic they go to Alexandria city, which has been cordoned off. If they were that close to be able to see DC as they were, they were a lot more than half way there. They were almost there.
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One possible twist: not everyone in Rick's group passes the audition. Then the group will have to decide whether or not to stick together.
OOOOOhhh I like the way you think.
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Watching the show and reading the comic, I know they can't just do everything sensibly. The plot would be boring if they did. But geez I can't believe how many of them go toe to toe with the walkers with small meelee weapons like a knife. The first thing I'd re-invent would be spears with those cross guards that keep whatever you've speared from pushing up to you. If I had better resources, I'd make halberds.
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Always said that Michone has it right.
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Always said that Michone has it right.
I saw Rick was using a sword or machete in this week's episode as well. I'm also in the "why are they using knives?" camp. Even if you wanna be a bad ass, or even if getting zombie juice on you won't infect you, why the heck do you want the gore and smell all over you (other than for camouflage when sneaking through a hoard)?
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I saw Rick was using a sword or machete in this week's episode as well. I'm also in the "why are they using knives?" camp. Even if you wanna be a bad ass, or even if getting zombie juice on you won't infect you, why the heck do you want the gore and smell all over you (other than for camouflage when sneaking through a hoard)?
I thought the intent was to conserve ammunition (although I agree that spears would be a really good idea, and isn't there at least one M44 in the group? Extend that bayonet and have at 'em).
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I thought the intent was to conserve ammunition (although I agree that spears would be a really good idea, and isn't there at least one M44 in the group? Extend that bayonet and have at 'em).
Yeah, sorry, I should have been more concise. They're conserving ammo, but choosing a poor weapon to do so.
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The whole thing is apparently filmed in a very small slice of Georgia, so no surprise about the sandy soil and pine woods.
And yes, I had the exact same thought about water, Chris. You generally can't go for more than a few miles in this area without crossing a body of water of some type.
Noah's house was supposedly in Richmond, so they'd be coming up roughly the 95 corridor. 60 miles south of DC would be down around the Falmouth area, a bit south of that, actually.
A look at google maps shows just how frigging much water they would be crossing, and how much they would be passing. Most of it wouldn't be visible from 95, but they would notice the streams they would be going over.
Oh, and what's the very best thing to do when you're dehydrated? Marching down the middle of a sun-baked highway in the full sun. ;/
Yep, they cleared route 16, but not 23...
That would be great if they were in far, far, and I mean FAR fricking western Virginia and were pretty much headed over the Blue Ridge into Kentucky.
Not so great for getting anywhere near "Alexandria."
And there is NOWHERE in Virginia that they could have gotten that view out of the window of the RV. The elevation was far too high. There are a few places on the Virginia side that are a little higher, than the Washington side, but nothing like that.
I THINK in the comic they go to Alexandria city, which has been cordoned off. If they were that close to be able to see DC as they were, they were a lot more than half way there. They were almost there.
Yeah, I know it's not filmed in VA, but it's so far off from the terrain and geography of Central to Northern VA, it's distracting.
Chris
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Yeah, I know it's not filmed in VA, but it's so far off from the terrain and geography of Central to Northern VA, it's distracting.
Chris
SUSPEND YOUR BELIEF!
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I actually think the gayzor thing indicates safety. They get to be all lovey dovey and be themselves. Which makes me think that despite the best laid defenses, there is some kind of softness to the Alexandria group that will make them vulnerable.
And everytime this group has been comfortable for too long...that comes to a violent end.
in the preview the new group tells the ricktators they have to disarm, indicating they're up to no good or stupid.
I'm going with simpleminded liberals that have not learned yet just how dangerous it truly is out there
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Watching the show and reading the comic, I know they can't just do everything sensibly. The plot would be boring if they did. But geez I can't believe how many of them go toe to toe with the walkers with small meelee weapons like a knife. The first thing I'd re-invent would be spears with those cross guards that keep whatever you've speared from pushing up to you. If I had better resources, I'd make halberds.
Boar spear. An aluminum pool vacuum/net handle filed to a point, or a shovel/rake haft with a spike lashed to it, would make more sense than using a knife in hand.
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in the preview the new group tells the ricktators they have to disarm, indicating they're up to no good or stupid.
I'm going with simpleminded liberals that have not learned yet just how dangerous it truly is out there
They seem to be letting Daryl keep the crossbow, and no one seems to be turning in edged weapons. Only the guns are on the "turn 'em in when you're in town" list. Kinda Old-West of them, and not necessarily the smartest thing in the world.
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They seem to be letting Daryl keep the crossbow, and no one seems to be turning in edged weapons. Only the guns are on the "turn 'em in when you're in town" list. Kinda Old-West of them, and not necessarily the smartest thing in the world.
Reliance on exterior barriers with no interior defense. This is bad juju. I suspect it will have plot ramifications...
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Those two alpha twerps who wanna call all the shots are gonna cause problems ..... [popcorn]
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Aye. Lots of potential for things to get sideways.
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Those two alpha twerps who wanna call all the shots are gonna cause problems ..... [popcorn]
Yup. The mall ninja is strong with those two.
Rick's comment at the end about possibly taking control of Alexandria got my attention. Is this setting up a situation with Rick as a counterpoint to the Governor in Woodbury? Rick is much more benign, but I can see how he might go down a similar path, taking control because he feels it's necessary for his group's survival.
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Okay so my gut says a couple things are coming up
1) Girl sneaking off into the woods. why? The Congresswoman mentioned exiling a couple men. Could one have been her father or boyfriend? She taking supplies to them?
2) We know there is an outside group. Maybe she's the insider/spy for that group.
3) My gut says that group will try to take Alexandria. The defense is weak but Rick leads the way and saves the place, thus leading to a coup.
4) Next season the walls come down.
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Who took the gun Rick hid in the black container outside the walls?
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Why are the supports for the walls OUTSIDE the walls?
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Why are the supports for the walls OUTSIDE the walls?
The congresswoman's husband was an engineer, she didn't say he was a good one.
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Who took the gun Rick hid in the black container outside the walls?
imo blender gun was taken by one of the exiles, he also left the walker hidden under the rug as a trap...not a very nice thing to do.
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imo blender gun was taken by one of the exiles, he also left the walker hidden under the rug as a trap...not a very nice thing to do.
Interesting point.
I wonder if the exiles are affiliated with the group that attacked the other neighborhood (I can't remember the name; the one where Tyreese was bitten). I figure it's only a matter of time before they hit Alexandria.
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I'm pretty sure some of them know something is up, or are at least heavily on guard. Daryl outwardly, and I think Carol was doing the total "throwing them off the trail" thing with her Suzie Homemaker interview talking about how much she missed her dead, abusive husband, etc. Also, it looked like she was fumbling her rifle when she put it on the cart, as if to look amateur. Rick, Carol, and Daryl seem to be in clandestine cahoots.
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Considering her origins, Carol's recent actions illustrate very well that she's "born again hard".
Chris
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Considering her origins, Carol's recent actions illustrate very well that she's "born again hard".
Chris
After tonight's episode - uh, yeah. If I'd been that kid, I'd have probably *expletive deleted*it my pants.
Earlier in the episode I was thinking how they're doing a good job with the story line. Just enough walkers. Too many and it'd just be another action show that would go downhill fast.
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Considering her origins, Carol's recent actions illustrate very well that she's "born again hard".
Chris
you get a cookie! :rofl:
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So I wonder if Sasha is a secret partner in the triad? I'm trying to figure out if she left for good, or just took a walk with three boxes of ammo. If she left for good, she could be camping out on the outside as cover fire when the others make their escape from Stepford City.
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Sasha is having a hard time coping.
Oh and the plot twist with the gays actually not wanting to bugger daryl. Didn't see that coming :rofl:
The wolves are coming. When it goes bad, it's gonna go real bad.
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Rumor is that Daryl dies in the seasn finale.
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Rumor is that Daryl dies in the seasn finale.
I could see that with his "getting soft" scenes this week possibly building up to him losing his edge and getting bit. They've got a lot of red shirts in the group now that could die, but they do seem to kill off at least one major character at the end of every season.
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Stating the obvious, but Rick's behavior is getting more Governor-ish by the episode. First he talks of possibly taking over Alexandria by force, then the inappropriate behavior towards Jessie, then reaching for his backup piece at the end of the episode.
Reiterating what others have said about Carol: she can be downright scary when she wants to.
The "A" hand stamp was interesting since "A" is the title of the episode where the group is captured by the Termites and held captive in the boxcar. Could be a coincidence. Or . . .
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The "A" hand stamp was interesting since "A" is the title of the episode where the group is captured by the Termites and held captive in the boxcar. Could be a coincidence. Or . . .
The "W" was also interesting. One possible explanation is the leader's son, but I'm thinking it might be something more ominous.
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The "W" was also interesting. One possible explanation is the leader's son, but I'm thinking it might be something more ominous.
It might be how the Alexandrians brand the exiles before expelling them, but they don't come across as that medieval. Probably done by some bad people we haven't met yet.
And why "W"? "Wrong"? "Wicked"? "Washington"? They voted for George W. Bush?
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Rumor is that Daryl dies in the seasn finale.
I think there might be riots if that happens...
Me, I suspect that the gay guy who approached Darryl about being a recruiter is going to end up on the losing end of things.
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It might be how the Alexandrians brand the exiles before expelling them, but they don't come across as that medieval. Probably done by some bad people we haven't met yet.
And why "W"? "Wrong"? "Wicked"? "Washington"? They voted for George W. Bush?
Don't they call the zombies "walkers"? Maybe it's a form of outlawry.
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Don't they call the zombies "walkers"? Maybe it's a form of outlawry.
So far only Rick's group has called them walkers. Everybody has their own names for them.
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So far only Rick's group has called them walkers. Everybody has their own names for them.
IIRC, the Alexandrians call them Roamers.
The "W" was also interesting.
Maybe he was sitting on the Group W bench.
Okay, now I'm just getting silly.
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Maybe he was sitting on the Group W bench.
Okay, now I'm just getting silly.
"What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench. And everything was fine,
>:D :old: :rofl:
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A friend was a fan of the books before the show came on. He's all excited because there is a gang in the comics called The Wolves, who end up in a war with Alexandria. He's thinking that's how the season will end, with lots of casualties...
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A friend was a fan of the books before the show came on. He's all excited because there is a gang in the comics called The Wolves, who end up in a war with Alexandria. He's thinking that's how the season will end, with lots of casualties...
And now we have the explanation for the "A" and the "W". Gang signs.
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And now we have the explanation for the "A" and the "W". Gang signs.
Add one the the list of silly notions surviving through the apocalypse...
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It's kind of fun watching the more obnoxious comic readers troll the tv show watchers with who is supposed to die next. Personally I like the character so I'm hoping they pull a Carol and keep them alive.
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W is wolves.
Character lifespans is one thing that has definitely differed from the comics from what I can tell. Haven't read them, but I check the wiki out from time to time to reference the going on's.
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So.... these wolves mark their territory by carving W into the foreheads of walkers...
Whatever happened to the good old days when they'd simply piss on trees and howl?
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IS THE WALKING DEAD RACIST? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFoIwKl4w-Y)
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It might be how the Alexandrians brand the exiles before expelling them, but they don't come across as that medieval. Probably done by some bad people we haven't met yet.
And why "W"? "Wrong"? "Wicked"? "Washington"? They voted for George W. Bush?
Ah good ol' Dubya Bush, running around the countryside buttnekkid puttting his brand on the dead with that silly chuckle and engaging in general mischief...
he stole that blender pistol you know..
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The zombie virus is Bush's fault.
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So.... these wolves mark their territory by carving W into the foreheads of walkers...
Whatever happened to the good old days when they'd simply piss on trees and howl?
My gut says that the person wasn't dead when the W got carved in.
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My gut says that the person wasn't dead when the W got carved in.
Walker now, walker later, doesn't much matter.
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"What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench. And everything was fine,
>:D :old: :rofl:
There ya go!
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HOLY *expletive deleted*it HOLY *expletive deleted*it HOLY *expletive deleted*it
THAT
WAS
BRUTAL
:O
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No spoilers, but that was more brutal than anything I think I've EVER seen on the show! :O
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'The revolving Door of Death.' Ha ha ha.
Oh yea, that was ..... BRUTAL!
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Spoilers are allowed.
Holy crap.
Ok seriously I thought they weren't gonna bring Aiden back and that was going to make them extra suspicious. But with him and Noah dying and the girl taking a serious thump to the head....
Wow
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Nasty death toll this season: Bob, Beth, Tyreese, and now Noah. Our merry band of survivors keeps shrinking.
Nice to see Eugene finally growing a pair.
Anyone besides me thinking someone should have capped Aiden before the walkers devoured him? Glenn was out of ammo so he couldn't do the merciful thing for Noah. Deanna's reaction will be interesting to watch.
And, what others have said: brutal.
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I'm interested to see where they take the show. I didn't read the comic book version, but my understanding is that Alexandria became the place where Rick and company settled down, and some major events took place that included significant deaths and dismemberment. So, with that in mind, I see the show at a crossroads here. They can follow the path of the comics, more or less, but that will alter the show from an on-going quest looking for sanctuary (which may no longer exist) to a show about life in Alexandria. Or, they can take the show completely away from the comics and chart their own course. Kind of hoping for the latter.
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that was a fantastic episode!
however it is a bit unbelievable that a group of cowards like that would have held onto alexandria as long as they did - it should be clear to the ricktator that the time has come to make them obey.
all hail Queen Carol
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Walls. Walls made them soft.
I think that the group realizes just how soft this place is.
And I see the plot paralleling and honoring the comics without actually copying them. Some of the plot twists are directly from it, while otherwise it bounces off the comics and takes it's own course. Many of the character lives are completely different. People who have died are still alive in the comics, relationships that do and don't form, etc.
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They have been killing off characters for a while, and it has become almost routine. I believe the brutality of Noah's death was done to give a stronger emotional reaction to the event, even though he is a newer and less beloved character. Imagine the impact if they had done the same scene with Glen as the victim instead.
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I know its been mentioned here before but the wall braces on the outside bug me. That's got to come back & bite them. I wondered if the walls hadn't been built to keep people in and Deanna & husband are taking credit for something that existed. Its always bothered me that every place they go with a big fenced yard there's dozens of walker., Like a bunch of people were herded in there "for their own good" until something goes horribly wrong.
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The stage is set. Rise of the Ricktatorship! :police:
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Notice how Gabriel was bad-mouthing the rest of Rick's group to Deanna? He's been half a bubble off plumb from the beginning, and he's going to be trouble . . . wonder who'll deal with him. (Michonne? or maybe Deanna?)
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I really wanted to see Maggie pop up the stairs and ask him to explain to Deanna exactly what happened to his previous congregation...
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I really wanted to see Maggie pop up the stairs and ask him to explain to Deanna exactly what happened to his previous congregation...
Think of all the times frank and honest discussions; sharing of information, would have significantly altered what transpired.
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They have been killing off characters for a while, and it has become almost routine. I believe the brutality of Noah's death was done to give a stronger emotional reaction to the event, even though he is a newer and less beloved character. Imagine the impact if they had done the same scene with Glen as the victim instead.
Or Beth??!!!
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Yeah, Beth's killing was a bit shocking as it was a surprise, but was relatively sterile. Doing her like Noah would have really been over the top.
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Beth's death can best be described as an accident, or a natural reaction from a former police officer to being stabbed. Beth was culpable in it because she wanted to stab what's her name to make a point.
Noah's death had all of the hallmarks of Alexandria's malice and cowardice that came out in that episode. I'm really surprised that Glenn didn't simply kill the guy. I was TRULY expecting Eugene to finally grow a set and cap the guy.
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I know we're supposed to expect and be over it, but Glen's uncocked 1911 bugged me.
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so- who dies first?
abusive husband of hair cutter gal or rat fink priest?
I say husband first because he didn't take the opportunity to sober up and stop being a drunk after the apocalypse - the priest is a two faced rat but not as dangerous
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I know we're supposed to expect and be over it, but Glen's uncocked 1911 bugged me.
I'm just glad all the guns grew optics/sights this year. Seems they sprang for a new weapons adviser.
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I think Father Gabriel is actually very close to being nuts at this point.
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so- who dies first?
abusive husband of hair cutter gal or rat fink priest?
I say husband first because he didn't take the opportunity to sober up and stop being a drunk after the apocalypse - the priest is a two faced rat but not as dangerous
The group already doesn't trust Gabriel - even before his talk with Deanna, they knew he was off his rocker.
The abusive guy will go first. I'm not sure if it's Rick or Carol who'll do it, though I'm leaning towards Carol.
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The group already doesn't trust Gabriel - even before his talk with Deanna, they knew he was off his rocker.
The abusive guy will go first. I'm not sure if it's Rick or Carol who'll do it, though I'm leaning towards Carol.
Carol. Cookies. Sweet smile. Blade... :O
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Moral question:
Drunk McWifebeater is a surgeon/doctor. Can you afford to kill him in the post-apocalypse? I mean, Carol's husband was worthless. But this guy....
Maybe he's redeemable. A trip to beat-down-town, maybe some public shaming of some kind?
Also, besides her gut, Carol has no proof. Maybe he's a controlling jerk but never actually hits them.
I almost wonder if Pastor McCoward is onto something. Rick seems ready to take the place over regardless of cost. Carol wants to kill the camp doctor because she thinks he's a wife beater.
Maybe they have slipped their moral crackers?
Oh, and in the preview for this week, I think there were more graves than were killed on the supply run?
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"Can you afford to kill him in the post-apocalypse?"
Same thought crossed my mind, as well.
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I thought that was a big reason behind the death of Noah; it removes an immediate and apparent need. Gone is the guy that probably could have used a bit of surgery to improve his leg.
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I see Rick has finally in Ricktator meltdown mode. And Michonne took him out of the fray! Atleast she didn't use her katana. =D
Things are looking to get more interesting next week. [popcorn]
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Looks like a few of them are on their way to cuckooland. I was kinda surprised that zombie-hardened Rick took that much of a licking from one of the soft people behind the wall. I was figuring it would be a one punch knockout.
There's potential for another group split for the season finale.
For a firearms nitpick: They have a whole freakin' armory in that place. Why in hell would Daryl's buddy checkout a snubby as his only firearm to go outside the wall? If I'm going out scavenging or whatever, I'm taking at least a rifle every damn time - for the deadly people if not for the walkers.
Also interesting that the coward pulled a Glock out of that coffee can.
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For a firearms nitpick: They have a whole freakin' armory in that place. Why in hell would Daryl's buddy checkout a snubby as his only firearm to go outside the wall?
Also interesting that the coward pulled a Glock out of that coffee can.
He tried using an autoloading pistol, but kept limp wristing it. =) I noticed that too. Five or six shots and a slow reload wouldn't be optimal when a herd of walkers pops up.
I wonder if Mr. Spineless intends to keep his secret safe by taking out Glen.
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Looks like a few of them are on their way to cuckooland. I was kinda surprised that zombie-hardened Rick took that much of a licking from one of the soft people behind the wall. I was figuring it would be a one punch knockout.
Pete had more practice from beating on his wife.
There's potential for another group split for the season finale.
Yup, some folks are going to be exiled.
For a firearms nitpick: They have a whole freakin' armory in that place. Why in hell would Daryl's buddy checkout a snubby as his only firearm to go outside the wall? If I'm going out scavenging or whatever, I'm taking at least a rifle every damn time - for the deadly people if not for the walkers.
Because it matched his outfit?
Also interesting that the coward pulled a Glock out of that coffee can.
That's not the same Glock that Rick hid in the blender, is it?
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Mean drunk fighting for his property. He's bigger than rick by a solid 20 pounds too.
Season finale is going to be sporty.
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That's not the same Glock that Rick hid in the blender, is it?
That's what I was wondering.
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That's not the same Glock that Rick hid in the blender, is it?
It was the same Glock. There was a big number or letter on the grip.
I also wondered why the one guy would have that snubnose, not the most accurate thing in the world at distance.
Of course suspension of disbelief, when it comes down to it a Katana nor a crossbow are really all that practical either.
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A katana is monumentally practical in a zombie apocalypse, especially when they're drawn by sound...
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A katana is monumentally practical in a zombie apocalypse, especially when they're drawn by sound...
Isn't that why we're all putting swords in our SHTF kits? ;)
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Isn't that why we're all putting swords in our SHTF kits? ;)
Mine goes on top of my tactical wheelbarrow.
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Mine goes on top of my tactical wheelbarrow.
Right along with the additional trauma plates.
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Isn't that why we're all putting swords in our SHTF kits? ;)
Chris, firearms are really nice in a SHTF situation. in a Zombie Apocalypse, however (and mind you I am here taking the premise of the TV series literally) one might, at some point, just not be able to get to the local Sam's Sporting Goods and replenish one's supply of 5.56mm, .22RF, .30-30, .25ACP, 9mm., .45ACP, 600 Nitro Express, or <insert favorite caliber here>.
A Katana, sword, kukri, pike, broadsword and similar weapon might be a really good idea as you don't need to "feed" them for them to work. Inconvenient as they only work close up, true, but there is likely a time that will come when one may really appreciate having such a weapon in one's remora.
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Chris, firearms are really nice in a SHTF situation. in a Zombie Apocalypse, however (and mind you I am here taking the premise of the TV series literally) one might, at some point, just not be able to get to the local Sam's Sporting Goods and replenish one's supply of 5.56mm, .22RF, .30-30, .25ACP, 9mm., .45ACP, 600 Nitro Express, or <insert favorite caliber here>.
A Katana, sword, kukri, pike, broadsword and similar weapon might be a really good idea as you don't need to "feed" them for them to work. Inconvenient as they only work close up, true, but there is likely a time that will come when one may really appreciate having such a weapon in one's remora.
Something like a Katana requires a pretty specialized skill set to use effectively. Realistically as well I don't se one lasting the constant cutting through bone and skulls the way she does. I also think the decapitated heads would eventually lead to an unfortunate incident of someone getting bit by a flying head. Hence the need for suspension of disbelief.
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Chris, firearms are really nice in a SHTF situation. in a Zombie Apocalypse, however (and mind you I am here taking the premise of the TV series literally) one might, at some point, just not be able to get to the local Sam's Sporting Goods and replenish one's supply of 5.56mm, .22RF, .30-30, .25ACP, 9mm., .45ACP, 600 Nitro Express, or <insert favorite caliber here>.
A Katana, sword, kukri, pike, broadsword and similar weapon might be a really good idea as you don't need to "feed" them for them to work. Inconvenient as they only work close up, true, but there is likely a time that will come when one may really appreciate having such a weapon in one's remora.
You are very much correct. In the Walking Dead world, I would indeed want a silent weapon that was not dependent on ammo supplies. A sword might be a really good choice. I was joking about adding one to my TV kit. I already have one. ;)
I do have a sword. Not in my kit, though.
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I'm surprised they never developed any sort of light soft armor to counter the zombie bites... Thick canvas would do just fine, leather even better. I mean c'mon.. their SOP is grappling with zombies and stabbing them in the head? And the is no mention of having to wash up afterwards or clean their tools... Really, that's the messiest, riskiest approach you can take, zombie goo all over, getting into any scratches you might have.
Also, when only head shots count and "quiet" just might keep you out of a horde, a suppressed .22LR would be a very desirable weapon to have. Have not seen ANY of those. Not one.. NOT ONE!!! :mad:. Picture Ruger 10/22 Charger with 25 round mag and integral suppressor.
I enjoy the series but some things make me go :facepalm:
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Something like a Katana requires a pretty specialized skill set to use effectively. Realistically as well I don't se one lasting the constant cutting through bone and skulls the way she does. I also think the decapitated heads would eventually lead to an unfortunate incident of someone getting bit by a flying head. Hence the need for suspension of disbelief.
OK, maybe not a katana per se, but a sword or pike .... something you don't have to "feed."
I'm surprised they never developed any sort of light soft armor to counter the zombie bites... Thick canvas would do just fine, leather even better. I mean c'mon.. their SOP is grappling with zombies and stabbing them in the head? And the is no mention of having to wash up afterwards or clean their tools... Really, that's the messiest, riskiest approach you can take, zombie goo all over, getting into any scratches you might have.
Also, when only head shots count and "quiet" just might keep you out of a horde, a suppressed .22LR would be a very desirable weapon to have. Have not seen ANY of those. Not one.. NOT ONE!!! :mad:. Picture Ruger 10/22 Charger with 25 round mag and integral suppressor.
I enjoy the series but some things make me go :facepalm:
Another good idea. It might make one awfully sweaty in the Georgia summer ...but atleast one has protection.
They do have suppresssed weapons but IIRC, no .22s Maybe 22 is as rare in their world as it is in ours ....
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Realistically suppressing a .22lr is a bit hit or miss if you want it it reliably function in a semi-auto. Most .22lr tends to break the sound barrier, especially through longer barrels. A susbsonic 9mm load or .45ACP is a bit more reliable. 9mm that is subsonic requires a 147+ grain bullet with most commercial loads and is somewhat uncommon on store shelves, never mind random finds in the ZA. 45ACP is mostly subsonic by default.
This brings up another issue I have with the last episode, was it Sasha shooting from the tower and then in the woods with what was probably a .223 AR that was making the movie silencer sound."? A .223 is loud through a suppressor in reality, you can kind of get away without ears; but there is no doubt at all people (zombies) would know someone was shooting (making loud noises).
I own suppressors in all of the calibeers listed above, so once again when watching the show suspension of disbelief, but I sometimes still cringe at the non-reality.
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Right along with the additional trauma plates.
I thought those were duct-taped to his back.
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I'm surprised they never developed any sort of light soft armor to counter the zombie bites... Thick canvas would do just fine, leather even better.
Glenn and others wore some armor at the prison, but yeah you'd think they'd try to improvise something for everyone
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"Something like a Katana requires a pretty specialized skill set to use effectively."
Realistically, no more so than any other cutting weapon in such a situation, and it's something that's going to be learned pretty quickly. You're not going up against samurai walkers... just run of the mill southern walkers.
And, any bladed weapon is going to get nicked and dull chopping through bones and such. That's addressed with maintenance.
But remember, it's pretty evident from the way they stick a knife through a skull and the like, that once you turn into a zombie, your bones turn into marshmallow fluff.
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"I'm surprised they never developed any sort of light soft armor to counter the zombie bites... Thick canvas would do just fine, leather even better."
Even a jeans jacket and canvas work gloves would provide a lot of protection. A couple of seasons ago on Talking Dead they had a guy giving tips on how to survive the apocalypse, and one of the tricks he showed was using duct tape to armor a hoodie. Wouldn't last forever, especially in hot weather, but inexpensive.
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If I were in a zombie situation, the first place I'd head (if I were still in the DC metro area) would be either the American History museum or the Freer Art Gallery at the Smithsonian. Their holdings include dozens, if not hundreds, of authentic Japanese katanas.
If I were in Pennsylvania, I'd head either to the Pennsylvania State Museum in Harrisburg or the Pennsylvania Military Museum in Boalsburg for the same reason. When I worked in the PA museum system in the 1980s they had dozens of katanas (most of them still incredibly sharp) that were captured by US troops during WW II. Even a run of the mill Imperial Japanese military katana is going to be tons better than one of the pieces of crap that you get from a place like US Cavalry here in the US.
A Nepalese kukri wouldn't be a bad choice, either.
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"Something like a Katana requires a pretty specialized skill set to use effectively."
Realistically, no more so than any other cutting weapon in such a situation, and it's something that's going to be learned pretty quickly. You're not going up against samurai walkers... just run of the mill southern walkers.
And, any bladed weapon is going to get nicked and dull chopping through bones and such. That's addressed with maintenance.
But remember, it's pretty evident from the way they stick a knife through a skull and the like, that once you turn into a zombie, your bones turn into marshmallow fluff.
After 2-3 years of decomposing? Yeah, they probably are going to be softer than when the owners were living.
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After 2-3 years of decomposing? Yeah, they probably are going to be softer than when the owners were living.
You'd think then that the ZA would be self-limiting. 5 or 6 years in, none of the original batch would be able to move anymore. Later waves would be going steadily downhill as well.
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They were pretty marshmallow fluffy bone structure from day 1.
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Oh boy.. one could argue that everyone in the walking dead world is marshmallow soft, even the living. Zombies have a real easy time ripping apart live people and animals, even with their own frail hands and all.
The whole "how come decomposition doesn't run it's full course" and other physiologic follies is something I don't like to think about too much because it kills the immersion.
The idea I picture to justify their still walking around is that zombies that don't feed on living flesh decompose and fade away(albeit very slowly), and those that do eat the living recover strength and recompose slightly. You could even argue that the faster zombies are recently fed and the slow lumbering ones are the ones who haven't had a meal in a while. Maybe they aren't really dead but have a Ophiocordyceps unilateralis type fungal infection that infects their body and their mind? It could explain a lot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis
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"Oh boy.. one could argue that everyone in the walking dead world is marshmallow soft, even the living. Zombies have a real easy time ripping apart live people and animals, even with their own frail hands and all."
Not if you saw Rick and the doctor going hammer and tong at each other in last week's episode.
No marshmallow fluff skulls there... :rofl:
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"Something like a Katana requires a pretty specialized skill set to use effectively."
Realistically, no more so than any other cutting weapon in such a situation, and it's something that's going to be learned pretty quickly. You're not going up against samurai walkers... just run of the mill southern walkers.
And, any bladed weapon is going to get nicked and dull chopping through bones and such. That's addressed with maintenance.
But remember, it's pretty evident from the way they stick a knife through a skull and the like, that once you turn into a zombie, your bones turn into marshmallow fluff.
Katana takes a very specialized skill to sharpen however -the edge is one long polished bevel, unlike a knife or a machete which has a seperate cutting bevel. Personally I'd go with a machete or kukri to toss into my wheelbarrow- easier to touch up the edge, easier to use in confined spaces.
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You have to suspend belief to some extent to enjoy the show at all.
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ITT, folks talking about weapons being impractical and decomposition rates in a show about the gorram dead re-animating
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Katana takes a very specialized skill to sharpen however -the edge is one long polished bevel, unlike a knife or a machete which has a seperate cutting bevel. Personally I'd go with a machete or kukri to toss into my wheelbarrow- easier to touch up the edge, easier to use in confined spaces.
No, a katana takes specialized skills to sharpen traditionally. You can keep one sharp without having those skills. It's just not going to be the same as having a master sharpener do it.
The confined spaces consideration is a good one, though.
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You have to suspend belief to some extent to enjoy the show at all.
Not if you've lived/worked in Washington, DC.
Just another day downtown, really.
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No, a katana takes specialized skills to sharpen traditionally. You can keep one sharp without having those skills. It's just not going to be the same as having a master sharpener do it.
The confined spaces consideration is a good one, though.
On second thought, if you are only cutting zombies as tought as wicket baskets full of marshmallows and rotten canteloupe, the sword will never dull. :laugh:
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No, a katana takes specialized skills to sharpen traditionally. You can keep one sharp without having those skills. It's just not going to be the same as having a master sharpener do it.
The confined spaces consideration is a good one, though.
I believe sharpening katanas was largely the province of a person known as a sword polisher - a traditional skill almost as demanding as that of a swordsmith. There are reputedly only a handful of these in the USA with a respectable measure of skill.
As for confined spaces . . . that's why they made wakizashis.
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Sword polishers.. can't see finding one of those in TWD land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4TRipSqMHU
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ITT, folks talking about weapons being impractical and decomposition rates in a show about the gorram dead re-animating
That's half the fun of the show!
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Sword polishers.. can't see finding one of those in TWD land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4TRipSqMHU
I thought there were two in the Alexandria compound?
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I thought there were two in the Alexandria compound?
:O >:D :rofl:
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I thought there were two in the Alexandria compound?
Polishers, not swallowers.
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I thought there were two in the Alexandria compound?
Ouch.
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I thought there were two in the Alexandria compound?
:rofl:
What's funny is that if the gay guy spends so much time outside the fence, he's actually one of the hardest (don't go there) out of the Alexandria bunch. Most of them are soft from managing to stay inside the walls most of the time. I'm actually rooting for the gay guy to not get dead.
90 minutes tonight. I'm all giddy. Unfortunately, I work 0000-0800. This means I'll end up streaming it on my laptop in the middle of the night at some point, I usually take a nap from 1900-2300 before work.
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Unfortunately, I work 0000-0800. This means I'll end up streaming it on my laptop in the middle of the night at some point, I usually take a nap from 1900-2300 before during work.
Well, we'll know what happened when plans start falling out of the sky.
Chris
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:rofl:
I'm actually rooting for the gay guy to not get dead.
Yeah, he's actually one of the more likeable characters from the "inside the wall" group. Most of the rest of them remind me of some of the clueless and helpless commies I used to work with, that would always tell me that if there was a zombie apocolypse, they'd be coming to my house. Or like the people we always talk about here who don't prepare at all for emergencies.
Glenn had it right when he said, 'People like you are supposed to be dead." :)
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Well, we'll know what happened when plans start falling out of the sky.
Chris
My midshift would have to involve actually working planes for that to happen. I average 1-2 operations in a 7 hour period most midshifts. Remember, I'm rotting in a small tower.
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My midshift would have to involve actually working planes for that to happen. I average 1-2 operations in a 7 hour period most midshifts. Remember, I'm rotting in a small tower.
Gonna make sure to come out that way and *expletive deleted*ck with you
"<Jason's tower> Cherokee 123456, requesting FL300
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Gonna make sure to come out that way and *expletive deleted*ck with you
"<Jason's tower> Cherokee 123456, requesting FL300
Best rate through flight level 290, traffic opposite direction at 280....
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Best rate through flight level 290, traffic opposite direction at 280....
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Now to find some jets and a suit so i can get a cherokee to FL300 :-D
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I recall reading a true account of an eighteenth century OH/KY frontiersman who carried a 15" knife. He killed an Indian by stabbing him in the head and described it as being like shoving it through a large pumpkin. Perhaps a rotten walker skull wouldn't be all that tough.
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Many of the walkers seem to have some degree of rot. coming apart in someone's hands for instance. There is much suspension of belief in the show, so some kind of slow decay or just a state of decay for the body makes sense.
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Aw, come on sound-guys, get it together! If a guy's hand and foot aren't moving he's not shifting the motorcycle!
Sleeping with the walkers? WTF?
There must be a lot of rot if one can take the heads off 3 of them with one swing of a chain...
"Fear the Walking Dead" Summer 2015? If it's a summer filler kind of thing, hope it's as good.
ETA: Best to do a search before posting: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/09/amc-announces-walking-dead-companion-series
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I guess Carol didn't get her dish back.
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October. *expletive deleted*ing october. I don't wanna wait! Damnit.
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it seems like the long term survivors either turn ruthless or sentimental - rick is ruthless - carol too - glenn sasha help the people trying to kill them -
the commercials for fear the walking dead look great
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Carol is the master chess player...
And when did Morgan become Qin Jang Fu, master of the oriental arts of beating the *expletive deleted*it out of people with a stick?
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Carol is the master chess player...
And when did Morgan become Qin Jang Fu, master of the oriental arts of beating the *expletive deleted*it out of people with a stick?
I guess his time in solitary, he picked up some skillz.
And yes....Carol. The knife to the chin, daring him to come at her.... :O
Between her banishment, shooting Lizzy, and then the Terminus rescue. Carol is born again hard.
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Carol. Cookies. Sweet smile. Blade... :O
I missed the smile and the timing, but the image was dead-on.
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Looks like the leader of the softies decided she wanted her people to live
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Looks like the leader of the softies decided she wanted her people to live
Indeed. That last line and the look on her face told me everything. Born again hard? Maybe.
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I guess his time in solitary, he picked up some skillz.
Nice work with the quarterstaff. Is he going to start robbing from the rich and giving to the poor?
And yes....Carol. The knife to the chin, daring him to come at her.... :O
At least it was to the chin and not . . . somewhere else.
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Interesting that Rick gladly became the Alexandria executioner... I wonder if he would have done it so willingly had it not fit his ulterior motives?
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Interesting that Rick gladly became the Alexandria executioner... I wonder if he would have done it so willingly had it not fit his ulterior motives?
I dunno. Charging in with Michone's katana and slicing the leader's husband's throat....I was shocked he waited for permission.
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Exactly. He waited. He has started to regain a part of himself from the world that was.
Rick even a few days ago wouldn't have waited. He would have killed Pete outright. But this time he deferred to the authority/leader figure and then carried out her order.
He's accepted that she is the leader, and that he's now a part of structure of the community.
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Exactly. He waited. He has started to regain a part of himself in the world that was.
Rick even a few days ago wouldn't have waited. He would have killed Pete outright. But this time he deferred to the authority/leader figure and then carried out her order.
He's accepted that she is the leader, and that he's now a part of structure of the community.
On the nose. He was trying to make a point, and he recognized that Deanna got the message.
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I'm not so sure that he was even trying to make a point.
I think he's finally accepted that he's back in a community, and that he needs to be part of it, not necessarily the leader of it by force.
What was it he said right before Pete attacked?
"I'll teach you."
You don't need to be the absolute leader of the group to be the teacher. Sometimes it works out better if you're not.
Thinking about it some more, Rick willfully killing Pete, even though Pete's value to the community is beyond measure as a doctor, is Rick showing them that they have to be hard to survive. It's his first lesson. They might have exiled Pete in the past, but it's beyond that.
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I'm not so sure that he was even trying to make a point.
I think he's finally accepted that he's back in a community, and that he needs to be part of it, not necessarily the leader of it by force.
What was it he said right before Pete attacked?
"I'll teach you."
You don't need to be the absolute leader of the group to be the teacher. Sometimes it works out better if you're not.
Thinking about it some more, Rick willfully killing Pete, even though Pete's value to the community is beyond measure as a doctor, is Rick showing them that they have to be hard to survive. It's his first lesson. They might have exiled Pete in the past, but it's beyond that.
This is precisely the point I believe he repeatedly tried to put across. I think Deanna's acceptance of it influenced Rick's willingness to integrate rather than overwhelm. What would he have done had she not said "Do it" but instead opted for banishment?
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I'm torn on that.
I'm 50/50 on his accepting banishment and letting it go.
The other option on that is his accepting banishment with the tacit understanding between him and Darryl that there's some hunting that needs to be done.
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On the nose. He was trying to make a point, and he recognized that Deanna got the message.
I was watching with the wife and absolutely cackling. Call back to the speech given by Rick about how you chose who dies or it is chosen for you. In my mind's eye Rick was transformed into Cartman from the Scott Tenorman episode. Yes yes, your world and ideology are crumbling around you, your tears are so delicious to me.
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I'm torn on that.
I'm 50/50 on his accepting banishment and letting it go.
The other option on that is his accepting banishment with the tacit understanding between him and Darryl that there's some hunting that needs to be done.
Valid, but I think creating a firm survival mindset for Alexandria (and getting some hairdresser trim in the bargain) were the key motivations.
The fact that we're having this thoughtful discussion is an homage to the workmanlike talents of the writers/producers of an entertainment with such an outlandish premise.
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Valid, but I think creating a firm survival mindset for Alexandria (and getting some hairdresser trim in the bargain) were the key motivations.
The fact that we're having this thoughtful discussion is an homage to the workmanlike talents of the writers/producers of an entertainment with such an outlandish premise.
Definitely.
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"The fact that we're having this thoughtful discussion is an homage to the workmanlike talents of the writers/producers of an entertainment with such an outlandish premise."
Say what now?
I was beating a coworker with a table leg.
He was, uh, showing definite signs of zombiism... Yeah, that's it, zombiism...
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A table leg? That was the best you could do after all the creative anti-zombie weapons ideas we've had here? Disappointing. :P
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Dude, I'm in a modern cubicle farm.
It was either a table leg or a Swingline stapler... and it's not even a red Swingline.
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Dude, I'm in a modern cubicle farm.
It was either a table leg or a Swingline stapler... and it's not even a red Swingline.
Reliability issues. Understood.
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I dream of the day when I see a pic on facebook that says "The weapon to your left is your zombie weapon. How *expletive deleted*ed are you"
And then i look to my left and see a rifle.
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I dream of the day when I see a pic on facebook that says "The weapon to your left is your zombie weapon. How *expletive deleted*ed are you"
And then i look to my left and see a rifle.
I saw that yesterday when I was sitting on a city metro bus. Everything to my left, right, front AND rear was bolted down...
Majory hosed.
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I dream of the day when I see a pic on facebook that says "The weapon to your left is your zombie weapon. How *expletive deleted*ed are you"
And then i look to my left and see a rifle.
Mind if we make that right? My left side is a printer and a wall. My right side has the good stuff. :lol:
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I'd be kind of okay, there is a dead 1000va UPS to my left on my desk. I could bash something pretty good with that.
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Solid wood tv tray. Yah... That will get me started.
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I'm sitting in my office right now, and the only thing worth anything could be my all-metal thermos...
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I have my oscilloscope probes. They're kinda pointy, if a bit short.
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At first I thought I was screwed, but there's a pretty hefty side table with a glass top. That's a decent start.
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I have a lava lamp here on the left side of my desk at work. I wonder if that could distract them as I made my escape.
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So there's a trailer out for season 6 and :O
*expletive deleted*it just got real
https://youtu.be/gkTb9GP9lVI
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I dream of the day when I see a pic on facebook that says "The weapon to your left is your zombie weapon. How *expletive deleted*ed are you"
And then i look to my left and see a rifle.
http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/63668818?src=pla&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test&CS_003=7867724&CS_010=63668818
There's a bucket of spare bronze spark-proof tools- large crescent wrenches, bung wrenches,and screw drivers. I'll manage better than ok. >:D
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I'm screwed again...
There's an architect to my left. Holy hell I need to weaponize.
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Throw the architect at them?
Best I've got is a pair of scissors. They'd at least let me get to the pistol on the right side, and the better stuff in the next room...
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I'm right handed, but to my left I see a wicker basket with receipts, misc. papers and a G26 :O
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13 Panasonic Toughbooks in the magazine. :O
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Well, first chance I've had to watch the season finale. I think the Rick and Morgan reunion will be interesting, given Morgan was talking about how life is precious now, then saw Rick plug a guy five seconds after he laid eyes on him.
As for the "on the left" thing, the correct way to do it should be, "within arm's reach". On my left however, at this moment, the most likely weapon is a letter opener, which I guess gives me the seconds I'd need to get to the good stuff. Though since I just want to get the zombie out of my way to get to real zombie stopping stuff, maybe it would be better and safer to just throw the printer, also to my left, at it.
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"within arm's reach."
Fricking finally!
I've got a 9-shot Hi Standard Sentinel .22 in my desk with a box of Winchester ammo!
Bring it, bitches!
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I saw that yesterday when I was sitting on a city metro bus. Everything to my left, right, front AND rear was bolted down...
Majory hosed.
Point #1: If you're going to necro a thread, a zombie thread is about as appropriate as it gets.
Point #2: I dredged this thread up because I just finished marathon-watching half of season 4 and all of season 5 getting ready for season 6. I came here to see what ya'all thought of what I just watched.
Point #3: As to the quote. If you're looking for improvised weapons on a bus, look for fire extinguisher, chocks (especially if they have ropes on them) and wheelchair tie-down straps. The tie-down straps are most effective if the end that latches to the bus can be unhooked easily. Think "toaster in a towel". Bonus points for the emergency triangles. The bases are usually weighted quite nicely.
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Unfortunately I'm going to miss tonight's premier. I'm dog sitting for friends, and they don't have A&E. I might be able to get it on my tablet, but I'm not 100% sure. If not, no biggie, as I'm recording it at home on the DVR.
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Unfortunately I'm going to miss tonight's premier. I'm dog sitting for friends, and they don't have A&E. I might be able to get it on my tablet, but I'm not 100% sure. If not, no biggie, as I'm recording it at home on the DVR.
It's on AMC.... ;)
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AMC? Gremlin, Matador, or Pacer?
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They made it a half hour longer to put more commercials in?
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They made it a half hour longer to put more commercials in?
No, it was the commercials that made it a half hour longer. [tinfoil]
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So, what would have been a better way to handle the hoard?
I give them some leeway, because it appears the whole sound sensitivity thing in this case is integral to what's happening in the plot, and the writers wanted this to happen. I'm betting on the "W's".
Otherwise, given the constant reminder of how sensitive the walkers are to sound, they should have known the great risk they were taking regarding potentially creating a forest full of walkers. I don't know if we've had any concrete evidence about the scarcity or not of gasoline, diesel, and other flammables, but there was the potential of just lighting a bunch of them on fire if they were bunched up.
Obviously wouldn't get them all, and probably not even a majority, but it could have cut down on the number of mobile walkers they were luring out of the quarry. Also possibly a brick of .22 to put down a bunch of them (they would have had time while they were fortifying for the march and before the semi gave way).
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So, what would have been a better way to handle the hoard?
I give them some leeway, because it appears the whole sound sensitivity thing in this case is integral to what's happening in the plot, and the writers wanted this to happen. I'm betting on the "W's".
Otherwise, given the constant reminder of how sensitive the walkers are to sound, they should have known the great risk they were taking regarding potentially creating a forest full of walkers. I don't know if we've had any concrete evidence about the scarcity or not of gasoline, diesel, and other flammables, but there was the potential of just lighting a bunch of them on fire if they were bunched up.
Obviously wouldn't get them all, and probably not even a majority, but it could have cut down on the number of mobile walkers they were luring out of the quarry. Also possibly a brick of .22 to put down a bunch of them (they would have had time while they were fortifying for the march and before the semi gave way).
Tactical thermonuclear bomb.
Yeah...I know....THEY DON'T HAVE ONE.
I don't think there IS a "better way." Anything they did involved an element of danger.
And ..what's-his-name? that got bit in the face at the end. ;/ Anyone not see THAT coming?