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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on March 12, 2017, 10:18:54 AM
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This year, I'm letting Twitchy make my annual rant for me, because I'm too damned sleepy this morning. =D
http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/03/12/die-in-a-fire-daylight-savings-twitter-is-sleepy-yet-hilarious-on-daylightsavings-tag/
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My barber has informed me that we have Daylight Savings Time because:
a) black kids like to play in the street
b) black kids sustain injuries therefrom
c) we need more daylight, so people can see them gooder
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Daylight Saving Time is a worthless anachronism. It didn't make sense when it was "invented," and it makes less sense today.
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You special snowflakes are so funny. I can't imagine getting so worked up over such a minor issue. It's as if all the other problems in your life have been solved and you have to have something, anything, to rail against.
As for myself, while I appreciate having more daylight in the evening, I don't have a particularly strong opinion one way or another. I can't wait till the peak days where it's daylight at 5:30am and the sun doesn't go down till 9pm. I suppose without DST, that would be 4:30am-8pm. Either way works for me. :)
Chris
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I guess over the years I kind of got halfway used to it, but the switchover still throws me for a couple of days.
If you've got pets or livestock, you'll notice they hate it, too. They're usually more sensible than we poor humans anyway.
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You special snowflakes are so funny. I can't imagine getting so worked up over such a minor issue. It's as if all the other problems in your life have been solved and you have to have something, anything, to rail against.
As for myself, while I appreciate having more daylight in the evening, I don't have a particularly strong opinion one way or another. I can't wait till the peak days where it's daylight at 5:30am and the sun doesn't go down till 9pm. I suppose without DST, that would be 4:30am-8pm. Either way works for me. :)
Chris
Have a snickers.
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You special snowflakes are so funny. I can't imagine getting so worked up over such a minor issue. It's as if all the other problems in your life have been solved and you have to have something, anything, to rail against.
As for myself, while I appreciate having more daylight in the evening, I don't have a particularly strong opinion one way or another. I can't wait till the peak days where it's daylight at 5:30am and the sun doesn't go down till 9pm. I suppose without DST, that would be 4:30am-8pm. Either way works for me. :)
Chris
You're awfully wound up about this entire discussion, is something else going on here?
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I guess over the years I kind of got halfway used to it, but the switchover still throws me for a couple of days.
If you've got pets or livestock, you'll notice they hate it, too. They're usually more sensible than we poor humans anyway.
Critters that get used to a set schedule deal far less well with fall back.
Some years ago the ex and I were at the zoo in DC on the Sunday fall back, and someone forgot to let the big cats know that the feeding schedule would be adjusted back by an hour.
They were all restless, but the lion was freaking the hell out, battering the enclosure door with his paws and chuffing. Then he let out a series of bloodcurdling roars... The hairs on the back of my neck literally stood up.
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^ Heh.
One nice thing about it is that I'm beginning to dislike driving at night in my old age and dotage, so it opens up a little more time to do erranding in the afternoon... or "prevening," as Dr. Cooper would put it.
I hate driving anywhere around the equinoxes since streets are usually laid out along the cardinal compass points and the sunrise and sunset glare driving due E or W is ridiculous. You'd think they would have been smart enough to lay out streets 23 1/2° offset from N, E, W, and S in the first place. =D
One thing I noticed about my Subaru is the dashboard, even though it's stippled and black, reflects that light right into your (my) face, so I (you) get a double whammy of glare. I bought a swatch of black velvet to park on the dashboard, but that didn't work too well, either.
Terry
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Critters that get used to a set schedule deal far less well with fall back.
My dog definitely lets me know if I forget the time change in the Fall. This time of the year she doesn't care so much, because if I forget, it just means she eats an hour earlier. She's good with that. :laugh:
On the tangent, it's amazing how well animals can tell time without a wristwatch. :)
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As for myself, while I appreciate having more daylight in the evening, I don't have a particularly strong opinion one way or another. I can't wait till the peak days where it's daylight at 5:30am and the sun doesn't go down till 9pm. I suppose without DST, that would be 4:30am-8pm. Either way works for me. :)
And you'd be more or less toward the eastern limit of the eastern time zone, yes? No, looks like Virginia is actually about halfway across the eastern zone. But it points out the silliness of playing games with "daylight saving time" once we allowed the railroads to break the country down into standardized zones. On June 21st, sunset at the eastern edge of any time zone will be roughly an hour earlier than at the western edge -- and that's at the same latitude. Compare sunset times in Eastport, Maine, against Pensacola, Florida. Same time zone, but the sunrise and sunset times are going to be vastly different.
I've never seen a satisfactory, coherent explanation of just how DST saves energy. As for giving farmers "more" daylight -- the amount of daylight on any given day is the same. Farmers don't work 9:00 to 5:00 -- if they want to get up at whatever time the sun rises and go to bed at whatever time the sun sets, there's nothing stopping them.
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I try to stay in sync with the sun so the 1 hour either way doesn't really effect me dramatically.
If I had my way though I would end DST.
Intuitively it just seems wrong to mess with the clock.
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Since I work nights it no longer makes a difference to me either way. But, when I was on days I did like the extra daylight time after getting home from work.
If I had my druthers I'd stay on DST all the time.
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Might Sunday afternoon nap, and subsequently diner, schedule has just been all screwed up.
*expletive deleted*ing DST.
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Might Sunday afternoon nap, and subsequently diner, schedule has just been all screwed up.
*expletive deleted*ing DST.
So has yer speeling
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I loath it in the spring. I don't mind the Fall back so much. This has already been a screwed up weekend thanks to my coworker being sick and unable to understand how cell phones work (he keeps calling the shop and leaving a message which won't get heard until well after the point my bosses need to know to call me in) So, in addition to not getting any time off this week and being woken out of a sound sleep on Saturday morning so I could go to work, I lost an hour this morning.
And it does screw up the dogs, especially senile ones who don't remember that they just ate an hour ago.
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And you'd be more or less toward the eastern limit of the eastern time zone, yes? No, looks like Virginia is actually about halfway across the eastern zone. But it points out the silliness of playing games with "daylight saving time" once we allowed the railroads to break the country down into standardized zones. On June 21st, sunset at the eastern edge of any time zone will be roughly an hour earlier than at the western edge -- and that's at the same latitude. Compare sunset times in Eastport, Maine, against Pensacola, Florida. Same time zone, but the sunrise and sunset times are going to be vastly different.
I've never seen a satisfactory, coherent explanation of just how DST saves energy. As for giving farmers "more" daylight -- the amount of daylight on any given day is the same. Farmers don't work 9:00 to 5:00 -- if they want to get up at whatever time the sun rises and go to bed at whatever time the sun sets, there's nothing stopping them.
Just a dumb question and maybe a thread veer, but do any of you actually work 9 AM to 5 PM? When I first started work at salary, it was 8 AM to 5 PM with an hour lunch. I generally do about 7:30 to 4:30 now. The hourly guys at work do 7 AM to 3:30 PM with 30 min lunch.
I generally dislike DST. If they pick on or the other, I would rather drive to work in the dark than have it get dark early in the evening. I could adjust either way I guess.
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When I was on days with my current company it was 8-5 with an hour lunch, night shift is 2200-0600, lunch on the job. I did work for one place for about a year that was 9-5 with a paid 1 hour lunch, it was a great place to work but it just wasn't ever going to be big enough for serious advancement $$.
ETA - Fixed a Freudian slip there
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Just a dumb question and maybe a thread veer, but do any of you actually work 9 AM to 5 PM? When I first started work at salary, it was 8 AM to 5 PM with an hour lunch. I generally do about 7:30 to 4:30 now. The hourly guys at work do 7 AM to 3:30 PM with 30 min lunch.
I generally dislike DST. If they pick on or the other, I would rather drive to work in the dark than have it get dark early in the evening. I could adjust either way I guess.
I'm 7:30 till whenever we get done and I have a hard time falling asleep and waking up. Getting awake and functional enough to get out the door is a little easier if it's light out, so I'd actually rather be light in the morning. The thing is it just doesn't make that much of a difference to my mind. In a month or so dawn and dusk will be far enough apart that it will be light the whole time, and the opposite come Fall Back. Either way you're going to be commuting and such in dark/light for more time than the supposed savings provides.
Now if DLS actually involved altering the axis of the earth in relation to the sun, we'd actually be on to something...
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9 AM to 5 PM?
It's sort of a "term of art" at this point, and not a literal time frame.
I suppose you could use "banker's hours" in the same way.
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I work grave, so DST means I go home an hour earlier. Yay!
When it ends in the fall, I stay at work an hour more, but we get overtime pay for that. So again, Yay!
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When I was on days with my current company it was 8-5 with an hour lunch, night *expletive deleted*it is 2200-0600, lunch on the job. I did work for one place for about a year that was 9-5 with a paid 1 hour lunch, it was a great place to work but it just wasn't ever going to be big enough for serious advancement $$.
I used to work 8 to 4 when I was with Navy Federal.
Then I came to my current company, and more and more I've been able to set my own hours over the years.
Currently I'm generally working 5:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.
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Just a dumb question and maybe a thread veer, but do any of you actually work 9 AM to 5 PM? When I first started work at salary, it was 8 AM to 5 PM with an hour lunch. I generally do about 7:30 to 4:30 now. The hourly guys at work do 7 AM to 3:30 PM with 30 min lunch.
I generally dislike DST. If they pick on or the other, I would rather drive to work in the dark than have it get dark early in the evening. I could adjust either way I guess.
Actually, my current schedule is 9-5. Usually, it's our slow season so boss asking if I want to go home early isn't uncommon. If I decline I either catch up on piddly stuff in my "whenever I have a minute" pile. Or if that's depleted get paid to do whatever I can come up with to look somewhat busy and productive. If I do go I can either not get paid for the hours or fill out the little paper for HR and burn some pto hours.
Not a bad schedule really.
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I hate daylight savings. Three cranky children for a week isn't worth it. And trying to explain it to a kindergartener? He thinks it's just as dumb an idea as I do. Let's pick one time, stay there, and stop the time-hopping madness that makes children everywhere cranky.
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All you whiners out there could just move to Arizona.
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I hate daylight savings. Three cranky children for a week isn't worth it. And trying to explain it to a kindergartener? He thinks it's just as dumb an idea as I do. Let's pick one time, stay there, and stop the time-hopping madness that makes children everywhere cranky.
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This is one reason I really hate this end of it, especially since it starts like three weeks earlier than it used to. I'm a morning person, but also somewhat sun synchronous, so while I usually like getting up at 0500-0600, for about the next month, not so much, and sleeping in till 7am always makes me feel like I've blown part of my day. I'm also an "early to bed" guy, usually in the sack by 2200, so for most of July, that's also a little weird for me because it's only been dark for 1-1.5 hours or so at my latitude before I go to bed.
Then I came to my current company, and more and more I've been able to set my own hours over the years.
Currently I'm generally working 5:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.
All my jobs have been "start early" jobs. Early on because they were blue collar and I had no choice. Later on I was also able to set my own schedule and was pretty close to yours Mike, as ideal for me. If I got in the office at 0600, it meant I had a couple of hours of peace to get most of my work for the day done, then around 0800 or so, when all the nitwits started coming into the office, I would be doing my stuff with DC, so had another couple of hours of not being bothered. :)
I have always been way less productive after lunch, so it was also nice to go home in the mid-afternoon and go for a run or whatever to re-energize. Sometimes I'd give myself enough of a boost to work from home for a couple of hours in the evening, which was basically free labor for fed.gov, so the boss never minded my schedule. :)
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I know a guy with an autistic son, and for him, it's more like a month of hell. I wonder if we could use the ADA to kill DST.
Maybe Trump will kill DST. It would be a great legacy checkmark for future elementary school textbooks.
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I know a guy with an autistic son, and for him, it's more like a month of hell. I wonder if we could use the ADA to kill DST.
Maybe Trump will kill DST. It would be a great legacy checkmark for future elementary school textbooks.
That, and build a wall to keep out those bums from that other time zone.
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My friend says the only way to repeal DST is to make the lawmakers teach preschool for a week after the time change. Then it'd die quickly.
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You folks want to see a hodge podge of times and dates, take a look at the International Date Line:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:International_Date_Line.png
And you can't blame the railroads for that. :D
Hawaii is another State which doesn't have DST. I presume, without actually knowing, this is because they're only +20° off the equator and hey, watsa diff, brah?(https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/shaka.gif)
I don't remember the exact numbers that used to be provided by the Division of Wildlife for Colorado, but they had a calculation in their hunting brochures for figuring 1/2 hour before sunrise and after sunset for legal hunting hours. It was based on number of miles east or west of Denver.
Why, you could hear gunshots marching across the State from east to west every opening morning. <joke, not really, but almost.
Archery season, not so much.
Terry, 230RN
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Hawaii is another State which doesn't have DST. I presume, without actually knowing, this is because they're only +20° off the equator and hey, watsa diff, brah?(https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/shaka.gif)
Yup. I've been there for extended periods throughout the year. I think the whole state is full of morning people, and during the Summer, you kinda want the damn sun to go down so you can have a pleasant and (slightly) cooler evening grilling linguica on the lanai. :)
But yeah, little change one way or the other.
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You folks want to see a hodge podge of times and dates, take a look at the International Date Line:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:International_Date_Line.png
And you can't blame the railroads for that. :D
Hawaii is another State which doesn't have DST. I presume, without actually knowing, this is because they're only +20° off the equator and hey, watsa diff, brah?(https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/shaka.gif)
I don't remember the exact numbers that used to be provided by the Division of Wildlife for Colorado, but they had a calculation in their hunting brochures for figuring 1/2 hour before sunrise and after sunset for legal hunting hours. It was based on number of miles east or west of Denver.
Why, you could hear gunshots marching across the State from east to west every opening morning. <joke, not really, but almost.
Archery season, not so much.
Terry, 230RN
Illinois still does that, with the state divided into 3 E-W zones with each zone having it's own sunrise and sunset times.
Page 44 if you are interested. (They used to divide into 6 zones N-S and E-W).
https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Documents/HuntTrapDigest.pdf
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Illinois still does that, with the state divided into 3 E-W zones with each zone having it's own sunrise and sunset times.
Page 44 if you are interested. (They used to divide into 6 zones N-S and E-W).
https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Documents/HuntTrapDigest.pdf
Wow, corrections for latitude as well as longitude. I guess they're a bunch of tight-asses in IL.
Didn't do any calculations, Colorado being 387 miles wide, and at more or less +40° latitude, but I'm fairly sure the deer don't care much about the concept of "fair pursuit" versus the exact amount of daylight involved.
Sheesh!
And that "1/2 hour" is kind of arbitrary in the first place. Why not 26 minutes and 37 seconds before and after sunrise and sunset?
Kinda makes me wonder how they would figure hunting hours above the Arctic Circle, eh?
Or if there were any deer at the North Pole. >:D
Terry, 230RN
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I wish we would just go to daylight savings and STAY there. Instead of flipping back and forth. There is no reason we can't stay at UTC -5 (in south carolina) and most people would appreciate the extra sunlight in the evening during the winter.
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I recently made a spreadsheet to calculate my timecard for crossing the date line. 14 time zones added plus 24 hours subtracted because of the date line; opposite coming back. Gov. regs state timecard must be kept for each day, even though one day vanished. I had one day well over 30 hours. Took me a while.
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I recently made a spreadsheet to calculate my timecard for crossing the date line. 14 time zones added plus 24 hours subtracted because of the date line; opposite coming back. Gov. regs state timecard must be kept for each day, even though one day vanished. I had one day well over 30 hours. Took me a while.
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That's a good one. Unintended consequences, eh?
I can envision the same kind of situation with respect to Arizona, if someone's work required traveling back and forth across the border to neighboring states. But that would only involve hours, not days. Also, come to think of it, if one worked across any U.S. time zone borders, daylight savings time or no daylight savings time.
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Or if there were any deer at the North Pole. >:D
Don't even THINK about shooting Rudolph!
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I wish we would just go to daylight savings and STAY there. Instead of flipping back and forth. There is no reason we can't stay at UTC -5 (in south carolina) and most people would appreciate the extra sunlight in the evening during the winter.
Ummm ...
South Carolina, last I knew, was in the eastern time zone. That's UTC -5 during standard time. During DST it's UTC -4.
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NC is UTC-5 normally/in winter.
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:rofl:
Also, come to think of it, if one worked across any U.S. time zone borders, daylight savings time or no daylight savings time.
Crossing multiple time zones for work? That seems..... normal.
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We generally have to work our start times around daylight, what with us being a greenhouse and all. We have lights but try not to use them. The DST change is big enough that we either have to move start time to 9AM or just turn on the lights. We turned on the lights.
So there's 75,000 watts of sodium lamps that went on today in the name of conserving energy.
Most of my disdain for DST actually comes from my programming background. Timezones are bad enough but when you throw in rules for DST that vary by country and by year... I hate it so much.
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In 1985 I got to fly from Manila to Honolulu on the Navy's dime. Ship's Yeoman set me up good and booked me Pan Am Clipper Class. Almost 1st class but not quite. Only big downside was the 8 hour layover at Narita. Left Manila way early on a Sunday morning and checked in at Pearl Harbor around 1800, same date. Had to raise holy hell to get my day or per diem because the cute little E3 clerk racking up "sea time" by being stationed at Pearl could not grasp the concept of the IDL. Took a crusty old Chief to straighten her out.
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Crossing multiple time zones for work? That seems..... normal.
:rofl:
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So there's 75,000 watts of sodium lamps that went on today in the name of conserving energy.
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:rofl:
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Had to raise holy hell to get my day or per diem because the cute little E3 clerk racking up "sea time" by being stationed at Pearl could not grasp the concept of the IDL. Took a crusty old Chief to straighten her out.
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That is all. TNX fer the grins.
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Ummm ...
South Carolina, last I knew, was in the eastern time zone. That's UTC -5 during standard time. During DST it's UTC -4.
4 then. You know what I mean. Is there a reason we can't just stay there??
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Don't even THINK about shooting Rudolph!
Of course not! He makes it easier to see the other deer.
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4 then. You know what I mean. Is there a reason we can't just stay there??
"Because we're from the gubmint, and we say so!"
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Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Don't even THINK about shooting Rudolph!
Of course not! He makes it easier to see the other deer.
I was trying like hell to make a joke about red dot sights for that one.
Couldn't come up with one.
Fail.
Terry