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« on: September 03, 2005, 01:31:32 PM »
Any ideas from folks here on the board? I've heard the landfill idea, but I think that would take too long. How about whittling a section about 25 feet deep x width x length of the New Orleans basin out of the southeast corner of Pontchatrain and bring the whole thing up to 10 or 15 feet above sea level?
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2005, 04:41:29 PM »
New Orleans has been a city for longer than the US has been a country.  The Corps of Engineers will come up with some expensive tax-payer funded solution.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2005, 04:28:22 AM »
I would tear everything down and make residential construction illegal in "the bowl."

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2005, 08:01:16 PM »
Strictly as a flood prevention measure, they should locate it in Iowa.   Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2005, 08:28:22 PM »
One word - Venice.

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2005, 08:36:50 PM »
Drain it, then leave it the way it is. MAYBE pick up the bodies. Leave it as a national park where you're unable to change anything, out of reverence the monumental bad decisions all around that went into making it happen this way.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2005, 08:58:59 PM »
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MAYBE pick up the bodies
I sure hope that your family is never killed in a disaster.

What to do?  Take up Holland's offer on providing specialists to help flood proof it.  Seems they did a decent job in their country.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2005, 09:15:58 PM »
Damn, you're right... I get into this thing where I objectify things that don't personally have to do with me.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2005, 10:42:02 PM »
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What to do?  Take up Holland's offer on providing specialists to help flood proof it.  Seems they did a decent job in their country.
They have the experience but, I don't think they get many Cat 5 hurricanes.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2005, 03:44:01 AM »
Holland has had catastrophic flooding in years past when storms have caused failures in the dyke system.

Here's a thoght, folks.

HUGE sections of the city will have to be bulldozed, I would be surprised if as much as 90% of the city. There's not enough money on the face of the earth to decontaminate all of those buildings.

Even if you fill in the bowl, it will eventually sink below water level again.
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2005, 04:07:12 AM »
A system of concentric dykes with more dykes shooting out radially.  Kinda like a dartboard effect.  The idea being, if one portion of the dyke or floodwall fails, flooding would be confined to that sector.  Of course, huge gates would have to be reected in the dykes/floodwalls to allow ingress & egress.

Much property would be siezed via eminent domain, pehaps as much as 10% of the city.
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2005, 12:30:24 PM »
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Holland has had catastrophic flooding in years past when storms have caused failures in the dyke system.
There ya have it. Besides the fact that Mother Nature always wins in the end.
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2005, 12:45:19 PM »
I have a hard time believing something. Even if they did build levees capable of withstanding a Category 5 hurricane, Mother Nature's gonna find a way to breach them, either with a long-duration Category 5, or a Category 5 that deserves a Category 6 classification.  So many scenarios, so few tax dollars.  Sad

FEMA should stipulate, "We'll give you a check to rebuild your house, but the new building code says it's gotta be raised on stilts.  We aren't gonna pay to rebuild again if you haven't learned your lesson after this go-round."
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2005, 01:23:33 PM »
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A system of concentric dykes with more dykes shooting out radially.  Kinda like a dartboard effect.  The idea being, if one portion of the dyke or floodwall fails, flooding would be confined to that sector.  Of course, huge gates would have to be reected in the dykes/floodwalls to allow ingress & egress.

Much property would be siezed via eminent domain, pehaps as much as 10% of the city.
I thought New Orleans had enough dykes already.....
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2005, 01:42:50 PM »
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I thought New Orleans had enough dykes already.....
Yeah, but they aren't used as water barriers.

Note to self: learn difference between "dike" and "dyke."
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2005, 06:54:28 PM »
If anyone is interested in seeing some photographs of the Holland floods of 1953...

http://www.thehollandring.com/1953-ramp.shtml

Oh, and for anyone who is interested?

Dyke is a PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE spelling for the berm that holds water out of land areas.
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2005, 05:04:10 PM »
Stilts.

The whole friggin' city, built on stilts.  Kinda like the houses built on the bayou.  Chickens, pigs, dogs, and feral children can root and forage around under the houses during the dry season.  Wink


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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2005, 04:48:29 AM »
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Strictly as a flood prevention measure, they should locate it in Iowa.   Cheesy
Hell no, don't need anymore welfare recipents here. Plus we get floods remember 1993. Funny thing is when Des Moines was shut down litterly for 21 days at the height of the flood no major crime was reported. Hmm...

I keep hearing on the news when they are relocating the "refugees" that one of the first priorities is to find them jobs, I know that the welfare recipents will step right up for that!  

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2005, 07:51:49 AM »
guess they don't want to come to iowa



State's cots may go empty

Evacuees in Astrodome say no to Iowa; DMC officials prepare.

By JAMES BELTRAN

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DES MOINES  The airplanes are ready and the housing available, but Hurricane Katrina evacuees apparently don't want to move to Iowa.

Gov. Tom Vilsack said the state was prepared to accept about 1,000 hurricane victims Tuesday, but they decided to remain in the Houston Astrodome and consider their options.

"They're tired, they're frustrated," Vilsack said Tuesday evening from the Capitol. "They're separated from their families, so we're going to give them a breather and see where we are tomorrow."

The Federal Emergency Management Agency will contact Vilsack and other governors this morning to update them on any changes, Vilsack said.

The governor estimated about 40 evacuees have trickled into Iowa since Hurricane Katrina hit last month, but there are no guarantees the refugees in Texas will ever step on the plane.

"We don't know, at this point, where we're headed," Vilsack said. "It changes from hour to hour."

Meanwhile, about 1,000 green canvas cots remain empty in long rows in the Varied Industries Building at the Iowa State Fairgrounds.

Forty Iowa National Guard soldiers spent the night setting up the nearly 1,000 cots, said Brig. Gen. Mark Zirkelbach.

"They worked all night to get this thing together ... so we can be good to go today," he said.

Should any disaster victims make their way to the fairgrounds, their stay will be brief  it will serve as a holding area before the American Red Cross moves evacuees elsewhere.

If any are moved to southeast Iowa, Barb Baker, director of the Des Moines County Health Department, said she will be prepared and expects a coordinated relief effort.

"I would like any organization that is bringing families into Des Moines County to let the health department know that they're coming in," she told the Des Moines County Board of Supervisors Tuesday. "We would like to be part of the group that greets these folks. I would like to have names, addresses, birth dates, previous addresses, current addresses and then possibly where the individuals have been housed between when the hurricane hit and when they reached Burlington."

Baker wants to establish a central location where representatives from agencies such as the health department, the Iowa Department of Human Services, Social Security, Women and Infant Children, local schools and Community Action can help.

"This way, the families can be brought to one location, give all that demographic information once," she said. "Then, we service organizations can share that information and work with the families to get enrollment into the different programs."

Two area churches, one from Des Moines County and the other from Lee County, were expecting 55 people from New Orleans to arrive by bus over the weekend, Baker said. She didn't name the churches.

Residents prepared to open their home to evacuees can call the Iowa Concerned hot line at 18004471985, said Steve Cirinna, emergency management coordinator for Lee County.

Illinois is prepared to provide housing, food and medical care to up to 10,000 hurricane evacuees.

Centers have been set up at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, MidAmerica St. Louis Airport near Mascoutah and at the Greater Rockford Airport.

Rockford is ready for about 200 evacuees, said John Strandin, communications coordinator for the city.

"The phones have been ringing off the hook with people saying they'd like to take in a family or that they have space in their apartment buildings," he said. "The outpouring from the community has been tremendous."

In Peoria, nearly 300 volunteers waited at a civic center Tuesday to provide medical screening, food and clothing to hurricane victims. But they were sent home after city officials said the earliest the evacuees wouldn't arrive until today.

James Quirk Jr. and Aimee Tabor of The Hawk Eye and Associated Press writers Sarah Freeman in Chicago, Jan Dennis in Peoria and Jim Suhr in St. Louis contributed to this report.
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2005, 08:02:27 AM »
Couple that with the people that don't want to move from Houston to the cruise ships, and any sadness I felt for the surviviors starts to fade away.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2005, 09:00:48 AM »
To help mitigate this kind of tragedy, should it ever happen again, refugees being sheltered in California will be taught surfing and snorkeling skills.
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2005, 09:16:36 AM »
Good grief, the suffering!  Iowa!  How horrific, if they moved to Iowa they would be forced to work, to become educated, and to brush their teeth!  

Call the ACLU!  Call Jesse Jackson!  Empanel a commission!  Go on Oprah and bleat for money, do anything but work!
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2005, 09:44:43 AM »
PMP..  (peed my pants) at The Badger

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2005, 11:17:36 AM »
Part of the sinking is due to draining oil/gas/water from underground geologic structures.

My answer? Put it back. Well, the water anyways... High pressure pump ocean water back down, pump it hard enough that the ground starts to rise. Pump it *hot*, and you get added bonus of leaching the last wee bits of oil out, which will rise to the top of the water column ready to drill again.

While you're at that, build some 35' dikes and several more pumping stations.

Added bonus: On rebuilding NO, you'll find the citie's overall electrical consumption drop because newer building materials like windows and prefab wall panels are a lot more insulating. In fact, I've been reading up on SIP panels, and designed right you can throw an entire house up from the slab in 2-3 days at nearly the same cost overall as stick-and-board construction, and you end up with R-24 to R-30 walls in the process.

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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2005, 11:38:36 AM »
Mayhaps its time to fire up "Project Chariot"
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