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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ron on July 14, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
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AFFH is easily one of President Obama’s most radical initiatives, on a par with Obamacare in its transformative potential. In effect, AFFH gives the federal government a lever to re-engineer nearly every American neighborhood — imposing a preferred racial and ethnic composition, densifying housing, transportation, and business development in suburb and city alike, and weakening or casting aside the authority of local governments over core responsibilities, from zoning to transportation to education. Not only the policy but the political implications are immense — at the presidential, congressional, state, and local levels.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/420896/massive-government-overreach-obamas-affh-rule-out-stanley-kurtz
“Housing discrimination is the unfinished business of civil rights,” says Sherrilyn Ifill, the president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund. “It goes right to the heart of our divide from one another. It goes right to the heart of whether you believe that African American people’s lives matter, that you respect them, that you believe they can be your neighbors, that you want them to play with your children.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/08/obama-administration-to-unveil-major-new-rules-targeting-segregation-across-u-s/
America is now learning that on the painful road to ‘fundamental transformation,’ Barack Obama has plans to diversify suburbia. The president’s suburban justice plan is one where HUD tracks the racial and religious composition of American neighborhoods and then, doing away with the choice of established populations, makes changes to reflect Barack Obama’s vision for a fairer, more equitable nation.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/the_fundamental_transformation_of_americas_neighborhoods.html
In other news the state media complex has decided not to cover the story.
The Big Three news networks all punted on covering one of the Obama regime's most radical policies: new rules forcing cities to redraw the racial makeup of suburban neighborhoods. Why the hush-up?
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071315-761398-big-media-punt-on-covering-hud-plan-to-diversify-suburbs.htm?p=full
HuffPo aproves
"Obama Administration Unveils Ambitious Plan To Combat Residential Segregation"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/09/obama-hud-housing-segregation_n_7758196.html
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Bringing the ghetto to you!
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Bringing the ghetto to you!
Exactly. Nothing quite screams "equality" like forcing $2000 a month luxury apartments to take section 8.... :facepalm:
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"Equality" is simply misdirection. If anyone of any race, creed, religious, or political affiliation makes a fair market offer on any housing, nothing is keeping them out.
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Don't confuse equality of opportunity with equality of outcomes.
The left uses the word opportunity but not in the same way we use the word. Opportunity to them means the government putting their hand on the scale to make it equal.
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"Equality" is simply misdirection. If anyone of any race, creed, religious, or political affiliation makes a fair market offer on any housing, nothing is keeping them out.
Unfair! People of lesser means can't afford McMansions! Unfair! EVERYONE should be able to live the way they want - limiting upper class housing to those with the ability to PAY for it themselves is DISCRIMINATION! Unfair!
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We've been noticing this happening over the last 5 years or so in my area.
Upper middle class bedroom communities... suddenly there are types that are being spotted that weren't there before and are out of place. The few homes on the block that were foreclosed on in the late 2000s were turned into section -8 housing.
Developers and local politicians get huge handouts for adding 'affordable housing' to new developments like shopping malls in the suburbs. A few instances, in my area, citizens connected the dots in time and successfully sued to stop or alter the development plans on the premise that the original development plans were fraudulent and made no mention of section-8 housing. Of course the media then painted the residents as 'racists.'
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Here in the greater Seattle area, Blacks are third in terms of minority population, behind the Asians and Hispanics. Most of the 'affordable housing' is filled with people with a high SPF.
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Unfair! People of lesser means can't afford McMansions! Unfair! EVERYONE should be able to live the way they want - limiting upper class housing to those with the ability to PAY for it themselves is DISCRIMINATION! Unfair!
Not true.
Folks who could not afford McMansions moved into them in droves.
The problem, as I see it, was that they did not move enough droves into each McMansion so that the tab could be paid. Now you have something worthwhile to hissy-fit about - the repressive zoning laws that only allow one family to occupy a single-family home. :-*
stay safe.
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Bringing the ghetto to you!
Actually taking some of the ghetto away from me, and moving it over to the nice neighborhoods on the west side of town.
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Actually taking some of the ghetto away from me, and moving it over to the nice neighborhoods on the west side of town.
:rofl:
Actually that is the whole purpose of this- to move the unwanteds out of the cities.
The democrats who have run the cities forever wanted as much of the underclasses in their city (as long as they stayed in confined neighborhoods, of course) to produce votes. When they realized that they produce more social problems and crime than votes, they wanted them out of their cities and into the more conservative 'burbs', if not different states entirely.
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The few homes on the block that were foreclosed on in the late 2000s were turned into section -8 housing.
That's not actually all that surprising. It's good money for the purchaser.
When they realized that they produce more social problems and crime than votes, they wanted them out of their cities and into the more conservative 'burbs', if not different states entirely.
More like they're discovering that they don't stay there. Remember, violent crime in Cities has actually almost reached that seen in Suburbs and rural areas, plus they mostly victimize each other.
With the crime problems 'fixed' and the environment in cities livable again, the upper-middle class types are moving back into them in droves for the easy access to services and entertainment(well, their entertainment). This is causing prices to spike in cities, driving the poorer types out. This is also known as 'gentrification'. You can find the next area to be 'gentrified', oddly enough, by looking at where poor artists and gay men are moving into. ;)
They move in where it's cheap enough for them to afford it, then 'culture up' the place, causing the preppies to move in.
HUD is actually the cause of at least some of the problem - doing stuff like defining a neighborhood as 'unstable' and thus not worth subsidizing on the basis of whether it has any black families living there. This would mean that if even a black doctor moved into a 'white' neighborhood the property values would plummet.
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That's not actually all that surprising. It's good money for the purchaser.
More like they're discovering that they don't stay there. Remember, violent crime in Cities has actually almost reached that seen in Suburbs and rural areas, plus they mostly victimize each other.
With the crime problems 'fixed' and the environment in cities livable again, the upper-middle class types are moving back into them in droves for the easy access to services and entertainment(well, their entertainment). This is causing prices to spike in cities, driving the poorer types out. This is also known as 'gentrification'. You can find the next area to be 'gentrified', oddly enough, by looking at where poor artists and gay men are moving into. ;)
They move in where it's cheap enough for them to afford it, then 'culture up' the place, causing the preppies to move in.
HUD is actually the cause of at least some of the problem - doing stuff like defining a neighborhood as 'unstable' and thus not worth subsidizing on the basis of whether it has any black families living there. This would mean that if even a black doctor moved into a 'white' neighborhood the property values would plummet.
Not in my area. Crime rates in the city are an order of magnitude higher.
The city of Milwaukee proper has a pouplation about equal to the sum of the conservative munucipalities that surround it. The murder toll for the year in milwaukee is 88 as of yesterday, with approximately a total of 5 murders in the surrounding communities- mostly commited by transplants from milwaukee.
There is very little gentrification in the city, a few attemattattempts in a few areas have been tried, but the whites are always driven back out by crime, if anything, blight is spreading into new areas.
For decades, dems have offered much more lucrative welfare benefits than illinois to draw in more 'diversity' milwaukee git the worst of the worst from chicago, beloit, across the border from Rockford has become a crime ridden hellhole.
Now that the left has once again written checks they cannot cash, they are trying to divest tgemselves of the concentrated blight they caused, mire cynucalky, they've weaponized generational poverty and are exporting it to their conservative neighbors.
Sheboygan, Wi, is a very blue collar, semi-conservative city of about 60,000. I lived there about 15 years ago and crime was almost non-existant. Right now they have problems with drugs and prostitution brought in through this forced diversification.
people like my ex-FIL who had 'affordable' rental properties sold them off because the beighbirhoids went to pot and the only tenents he coukd get were junkues, hustlers and people in and out if jail. He couldn't be choosy about renters for fear if discrimination lawsuits.
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:rofl:
Actually that is the whole purpose of this- to move the unwanteds out of the cities.
The democrats who have run the cities forever wanted as much of the underclasses in their city (as long as they stayed in confined neighborhoods, of course) to produce votes. When they realized that they produce more social problems and crime than votes, they wanted them out of their cities and into the more conservative 'burbs', if not different states entirely.
Chicago's moved public housing denizens "downstate" for years.
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Two of my neighbors (the two black families) are pissed about the foreclosure turned section 8 a couple streets over.
I think they are planning to run the ghetto trash out, or burn the place down. Something about "working hard to get away from that *expletive deleted*it, then the government moves them right in. "
Entertainingly enough, none of the other shades of neighbor seem to care much. Maybe the black folks know something we don't.
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Actually, it's not new. The federal government has been pushing this on lending institutions for years, Carter's community reinvestment act, incentives for lending to minority and low income, etc.
it hasn't worked yet but I'm sure Obama will get it right.
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Two of my neighbors (the two black families) are pissed about the foreclosure turned section 8 a couple streets over.
I think they are planning to run the ghetto trash out, or burn the place down. Something about "working hard to get away from that *expletive deleted*it, then the government moves them right in. "
Entertainingly enough, none of the other shades of neighbor seem to care much. Maybe the black folks know something we don't.
They usually take a tougher stance against those that work the system than whites. They feel that if they are able to make it with hard work their "equals" can.
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“Housing discrimination is the unfinished business of civil rights,” says Sherrilyn Ifill, the president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund. “It goes right to the heart of our divide from one another. It goes right to the heart of whether you believe that African American people’s lives matter, that you respect them, that you believe they can be your neighbors, that you want them to play with your children.”
Maybe ... just maybe ... if more black people would act in ways deserving of respect, and live in ways readily perceivable as neighborly, and raise their kids to be human beings instead of feral animals, more Americans would be respectful and welcoming of blacks in the 'burbs. None of the black kids I went to high school with mugged white students for their sneakers and lunch money, none of the black people I've worked with went out on Saturday nights and joined "Burn that b_tch down" parties, and none of them had crosses burned on their lawns or were otherwise encouraged to leave town.
Respect is earned, not bestowed.
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Is Obama's "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing" Plan ~ 21st Century "Negro Removal?"
http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-obamas-affirmatively-furthering-fair-housing-plan-21st-century-negro-removal/
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The Obama Administration has been trumpeting its new “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing” plan as a way to rescue blacks and Hispanics from their isolated inner city locations, far from jobs, and move them to the white suburbs and exurbs where all the jobs, public transportation, and good schools are.
For example, consider the NYT race map of Los Angeles above, where the blackest Census tracts appear in deep blue. As you can see, blacks are currently isolated in remote communities requiring commutes of 5 or sometimes even 10 miles to the job centers in downtown Los Angeles, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Westwood, Santa Monica, Los Angeles International Airport, Manhattan Beach, and Long Beach. And blacks currently have to suffer from the ferocious West L.A. climate, with July highs in Inglewood averaging 75 degrees F and January lows averaging 47 degrees.
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Clearly, racial justice demands forcing suburbs/exurbs to subsidize affordable housing to encourage blacks to move to safer, more convenient locations currently dominated by evil white racists, such as, perhaps, Temecula, Hemet, Coachella, Twentynine Palms, and Hesperia.
Seriously, sixty years ago, “urban renewal” was all the rage, although cynics joked that in effect, cities were attempting to engage in “Negro removal.”
Nowadays, everybody who is anybody wants to move back into the city, so white progressives have become obsessed with exposing the vicious racists in the suburbs and exurbs and using disparate impact thinking to force them to take more blacks from the city.
It’s only a coincidence that this would open up more prime urban real estate for gentrification.
If you want to know what lefties are really thinking, assume that their accusations against regular folks are actually aspirations.
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I'm still waiting to hear from the first Liberal SJW who is looking for Section 8 housing to open up in their neighborhood.
Or did I hear correctly that they can get waivers?
stay safe.
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I'm still waiting to hear from the first Liberal SJW who is looking for Section 8 housing to open up in their neighborhood.
Or did I hear correctly that they can get waivers?
stay safe.
Come on man they want to enable the "disadvantaged" to move into your neighborhood but for theirs, well, standards have to be maintained you know...
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Come on man they want to enable the "disadvantaged" to move into your neighborhood but for theirs, well, standards have to be maintained you know...
It wasn't till the undocumented guest workers moved in and displaced the previous demographic that any standards around my neck of the woods could be considered in the plus column. The new residents have been very vocal and somewhat physical about asking gangbangers/wannabes to choose another neighborhood.
If the "disadvantaged" return to the neighborhood, bringing the cops back with them, there's going to some "polite discussions" taking place.
The only reason I stay here is so there will be a minority.
stay safe.
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Maybe ... just maybe ... if more black people would act in ways deserving of respect, and live in ways readily perceivable as neighborly, and raise their kids to be human beings instead of feral animals, more Americans would be respectful and welcoming of blacks in the 'burbs. None of the black kids I went to high school with mugged white students for their sneakers and lunch money, none of the black people I've worked with went out on Saturday nights and joined "Burn that b_tch down" parties, and none of them had crosses burned on their lawns or were otherwise encouraged to leave town.
Respect is earned, not bestowed.
I experienced this also.
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The reason we all share the same experiences with middle class blacks is because we all shared the same American middle class values.
Dropping inner city folks into the suburbs and subsidizing them does nothing to impart the value system that helps one actually attain a middle class lifestyle.
I live in a suburban neighborhood with McMansions. Down the street is a small apartment complex that has had section 8 rentals over the years. For some years it was an island of litter and trash with frequent flashing lights parked out front. The thugs and white trash did not seem to benefit from proximity or osmosis. In fact the building was like a festering sore in an otherwise pleasant landscape. They must have tightened up the vetting process under pressure from the neighbors as it has been clean and quiet now as of late.
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The reason we all share the same experiences with middle class blacks is because we all shared the same American middle class values.
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Exactly ;) I grew up mostly in Phoenix (well, to the extent that I actually grew up :laugh: ) in a neighborhood with a large percentage of "Hispanic" kids (Mexican, back then). Our parents were all lower middle class working folks, and we all got along fine and I for one could not even conceive of the term "racism."
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Exactly ;) I grew up mostly in Phoenix (well, to the extent that I actually grew up :laugh: ) in a neighborhood with a large percentage of "Hispanic" kids (Mexican, back then). Our parents were all lower middle class working folks, and we all got along fine and I for one could not even conceive of the term "racism."
Thank goodness that the schools now have addressed this and make sure to tell kids like you were that they are racist, and they also make sure your "friends" understand how you are oppressing them.
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Montgomery county MD did a deal where a developer was required to allocate 3 percent of the units to folks who paid what they could afford on a sliding scale. Mixed results. If they were units that had public transportation and access to the re as united services it was good. Worked particularly well with senior citizens. The seniors had compatible values.
I had real good luck with section 8 renters. I sometimes wonder if when folks make claims about section 8 folks if they are actually referencing section 8 tenants or are presuming based on appearances.
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I live in a suburban neighborhood with McMansions. Down the street is a small apartment complex that has had section 8 rentals over the years. For some years it was an island of litter and trash with frequent flashing lights parked out front. The thugs and white trash did not seem to benefit from proximity or osmosis. In fact the building was like a festering sore in an otherwise pleasant landscape. They must have tightened up the vetting process under pressure from the neighbors as it has been clean and quiet now as of late.
If I was a cynical type, I might think that since the polipeople devalued the neighborhood with the section 8 crowd, they were then able to afford some of the McMansions. Now that they've moved themselves in, they're being harsher on the eights so as to raise the pleasantness of their new neighborhoods.
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I had real good luck with section 8 renters. I sometimes wonder if when folks make claims about section 8 folks if they are actually referencing section 8 tenants or are presuming based on appearances.
I think the bolded above is a significant factor. From my direct experience, I can say that sec 8 population varies. But, depending on luck, area, and day of the week, the odds of having a less than positive encounter outweigh the good ones. And, in a situation like I was imagining above, the sec 8 population would be a good place to look for those who are both vulnerable to being used for others' goals, and also effective at achieving those goals. If one is looking for woodworking tools, one does not look for them in one's wife's makeup case.
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. . . The democrats who have run the cities forever wanted as much of the underclasses in their city (as long as they stayed in confined neighborhoods, of course) to produce votes. When they realized that they produce more social problems and crime than votes, they wanted them out of their cities and into the more conservative 'burbs', if not different states entirely.
I think it's more a matter of democrats realizing that this group of their voters is not a contributing part of the tax base . . .
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The administration is, reportedly, collecting vast arrays of data on neighborhood makeup through information on each specific household.
...I love to respond to the "Hitler banned guns!!" statement with the fact that he didn't, actually. A previous government with noble intentions did.
Let that sink in.
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The administration is, reportedly, collecting vast arrays of data on neighborhood makeup through information on each specific household.
...I love to respond to the "Hitler banned guns!!" statement with the fact that he didn't, actually. A previous government with noble intentions did.
Let that sink in.
Hitler passed a gun control act in 1938 which attached a "sporting purpose" test to gun purchases; this law was basically copied into the GCA of 1968 in America. Also, Hitler actually did prohibit Jews from owning guns; any Jew found with a gun was summarily executed.
But, it is true that general gun registration in Germany began under the Weimar Republic and Hitler only made wide use of these lists when he went after the Jews.
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Hitler passed a gun control act in 1938 which attached a "sporting purpose" test to gun purchases; this law was basically copied into the GCA of 1968 in America. Also, Hitler actually did prohibit Jews from owning guns; any Jew found with a gun was summarily executed.
But, it is true that general gun registration in Germany began under the Weimar Republic and Hitler only made wide use of these lists when he went after the Jews.
As with all such things, reality is far more complex than the soundbite I tried to give.
All guns were completely outlawed in 1919 as a result of the Treaty of Versailles. (Due to fears that a disarmed government would be too vulnerable to an armed public, so they disarmed the public.)
In 1928, the laws were liberalized to allow guns, but with a very strict registration regime. The 1938 law you referenced actually liberalized this strict regime, making it easier to own guns, especially long guns. Government workers and party members (and hunters, your "sporting use" part) were exempt from getting the gun permit.
Jews, of course, were prohibited from owning guns, a task made far easier by the 1928 law.
Honestly, I think making the point that Hitler's crimes were made easier by gun control from a previous administration makes our argument easier. We don't have to claim our opponents are Hitler, just that things like registration make crimes like his easier.
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As with all such things, reality is far more complex than the soundbite I tried to give.
All guns were completely outlawed in 1919 as a result of the Treaty of Versailles. (Due to fears that a disarmed government would be too vulnerable to an armed public, so they disarmed the public.)
In 1928, the laws were liberalized to allow guns, but with a very strict registration regime. The 1938 law you referenced actually liberalized this strict regime, making it easier to own guns, especially long guns. Government workers and party members (and hunters, your "sporting use" part) were exempt from getting the gun permit.
Jews, of course, were prohibited from owning guns, a task made far easier by the 1928 law.
Honestly, I think making the point that Hitler's crimes were made easier by gun control from a previous administration makes our argument easier. We don't have to claim our opponents are Hitler, just that things like registration make crimes like his easier.
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That, I think I can certainly agree with !!