US preparing to evacuate U.S. citizens from Taiwan?

[HankB]

DISCLAIMER: I DON'T know the linked source and I DO NOT vouch for its reliability.

https://themessenger.com/news/the-u-s-is-preparing-evacuation-plans-for-american-citizens-in-taiwan-exclusive

I saw this link over at arfcom.  (that's technically ar15.com) Supposedly the U.S. is quietly preparing to evacuate U.S. citizens from Taiwan. This is a "sensitive" topic and even talking about it would upset the Taiwanese, so it's supposedly being done ever so quietly. Given how many U.S. citizens are routinely in Taiwan (I've been there myself) any evacuation would probably be a couple of orders of magnitude greater than evacuating U.S. civilians from Afghanistan, and we all know how Biden bungled that. And given how many $$$ the chicoms have funneled into Biden accounts, who knows if he'd even try to evacuate U.S. civilians from the island nation.

I imagine someone, somewhere in the DOD or state department is thinking about an evacuation, but whether or not the thoughts have advanced to actual planning, I don't know. (I know if I were a U.S. civilian still living there I'd be thinking real hard about it and prepping to get out of Dodge.)

[K Frame]

Well, if it's the Biden admin doing it, it certainly won't be orderly nor will it be done quietly.

[WLJ]

Looking to build/buy a PC anytime soon you may want to do so. Prices may jump like mad.

[MillCreek]

^^^If the PRC invades/bombs/missile strikes Taiwan, I wonder if the rest of the world has sufficient capacity to pick up the slack for chip manufacture.

[bedlamite]

^^^If the PRC invades/bombs/missile strikes Taiwan, I wonder if the rest of the world has sufficient capacity to pick up the slack for chip manufacture.

Nope.

[HankB]

^^^If the PRC invades/bombs/missile strikes Taiwan, I wonder if the rest of the world has sufficient capacity to pick up the slack for chip manufacture.

I've read that one of the contingencies in place should the Chicoms invade Taiwan is to permanently render the existing chip factories unusable. Versions I've heard are that the Taiwanese themselves are prepared to destroy them, and that no matter what the US will assure they're denied to the Chicoms.

I really, really hope the US is prepared to offer sanctuary/asylum to Taiwanese chip manufacturing engineers and other technical staffers, in much the same way as we took in German rocket scientists at the end of WWII.

[WLJ]

I really, really hope the US is prepared to offer sanctuary/asylum to Taiwanese chip manufacturing engineers and other technical staffers, in much the same way as we took in German rocket scientists at the end of WWII.

Operation Paperclip Chopstick

[BobR]

I really, really hope the US is prepared to offer sanctuary/asylum to Taiwanese chip manufacturing engineers and other technical staffers, in much the same way as we took in German rocket scientists at the end of WWII.

We have had that tech and the people to do it for years..... oh wait, that was 20-25 years ago. My wife worked at a chip manufacturing plant in La Jolla, CA (TRW) that was sold to a few different companies before they shut down for good.

On another note, if I were in Taiwan and things started looking iffy I would hop onto the first commercial flight anywhere except China rather than rely on the US Government to save me.

bob

[WLJ]

^^^If the PRC invades/bombs/missile strikes Taiwan, I wonder if the rest of the world has sufficient capacity to pick up the slack for chip manufacture.

Even if was only Taiwan that was effected. No
Considering the fact mainland China will be cut off as well. HELL NO.
Chip production and shipments from Japan and S.Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc... get disrupted. We're *expletive deleted*ed

[MechAg94]

I heard a comment not long ago that most chip manufacture would be okay.  That only certain types of chips are mostly made in Taiwan.  I don't know that industry.  Edit to add that I think that was referring to the longer term, not war time trade.

We lost an operator recently.  He was moving over near Austin.  He was going to work for a semi-conductor fab.  They were training more people because they are building a new plant outside Austin. 

Iphones might be a problem.  Most of Apple's manufacturing is in China. 

[AZRedhawk44]

Even if was only Taiwan that was effected. No
Considering the fact mainland China will be cut off as well. HELL NO.
Chip production and shipments from Japan and S.Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc... get disrupted. We're *expletive deleted*ed

China doesn't have the naval strength to do that.

Aircraft Carriers are not antiquated technology yet.  They're working on their anti carrier missiles, both hypersonic and sub-sea versions, but even in that case the US still has Okinawa, Japan, South Korea, Guam and other nearby bases.

[WLJ]

China doesn't have the naval strength to do that.

They don't have to, any sort of conflict in the area can and more than likely will disrupt shipping both coming and going.
We're not talking Gulf War level war

[dogmush]

China doesn't have the naval strength to do that.

Aircraft Carriers are not antiquated technology yet.  They're working on their anti carrier missiles, both hypersonic and sub-sea versions, but even in that case the US still has Okinawa, Japan, South Korea, Guam and other nearby bases.

And those hypersonic missiles are proving not to be the bogeyman they were thought to be.

They don't have to, any sort of conflict in the area can and more than likely will disrupt shipping both coming and going.
We're not talking Gulf War level war

Back to escorted convoys of merchant vessels.  If the Wolfpacks couldn't manage to close the Atlantic, there's no way the PLAN can close the north Pacific.

[WLJ]

Note I said disrupt.
Any sort of disruption will hit supply. Just China and Taiwan are a huge chunk of that. Look at what happened in 2020 without a shooting war.

[Ben]

If you're talking shipping disruptions, you don't need a big high speed military for that. You just need a few high speed guys to sink a ship or two at a port entrance. Like say whichever Chinese Sea Dragons snuck across our Southern border to hang around until they get the order to blow a couple of ships at LA/LB.

[WLJ]

Realistically I don't see China doing it unless Xi gets into a similar situation like Galtieri (Argentina) did in 1982. Oh crap, I'm going to be overthrown so lets invade the Falklands as a distraction and the people will love me. The economic consequences are just too great.

[WLJ]

Meanwhile

Watching the video it's as if she couldn't bow enough times

'Never, ever, ever…an American official does not bow': Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is slammed for BOWING multiple times to China's vice-premier and giving Beijing 'optics that they love'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12279395/Bizarre-moment-Treasury-Secretary-Janet-Yellen-BOWS-multiple-times-Chinas-vice-premier.html

[HankB]

Meanwhile

Watching the video it's as if she couldn't bow enough times

'Never, ever, ever…an American official does not bow': Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is slammed for BOWING multiple times to China's vice-premier and giving Beijing 'optics that they love'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12279395/Bizarre-moment-Treasury-Secretary-Janet-Yellen-BOWS-multiple-times-Chinas-vice-premier.html

If we had a POTUS worthy of the title, Yellen would already be former Treasury Secretary for making obeisance to a Chicom official like that. (She never should have been appointed anyway - but since she was she ought to have been fired long ago.) But of course, there's mounting evidence that our POTUS has been bought and paid for by the Chicoms. 

[Boomhauer]

Meanwhile

Watching the video it's as if she couldn't bow enough times

'Never, ever, ever…an American official does not bow': Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is slammed for BOWING multiple times to China's vice-premier and giving Beijing 'optics that they love'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12279395/Bizarre-moment-Treasury-Secretary-Janet-Yellen-BOWS-multiple-times-Chinas-vice-premier.html

Remember Obama bowing to everybody? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[MechAg94]

It is especially stupid as the other guy did not bow.  He was just shaking hands.  I can understand a short polite bow that is mutual in place of other forms of greeting. 

[MechAg94]

If you're talking shipping disruptions, you don't need a big high speed military for that. You just need a few high speed guys to sink a ship or two at a port entrance. Like say whichever Chinese Sea Dragons snuck across our Southern border to hang around until they get the order to blow a couple of ships at LA/LB.

Any sort of shooting war with China over the water will disrupt trade no matter if any merchant ships are actually attacked.  I guess it gets into expectations.  China does not have the strength to shut down trade, not the same as disrupt.  However, will they try anyway?  I don't know.

[WLJ]

Meanwhile

Watching the video it's as if she couldn't bow enough times

'Never, ever, ever…an American official does not bow': Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is slammed for BOWING multiple times to China's vice-premier and giving Beijing 'optics that they love'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12279395/Bizarre-moment-Treasury-Secretary-Janet-Yellen-BOWS-multiple-times-Chinas-vice-premier.html

"Hallucinogenic mushrooms"

I got nothing

'Hallucinogenic' MUSHROOMS may be to blame for US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, 76, repeatedly bowing to China's vice premier after she ordered four portions at dinner (but the chef insists they weren't psychedelic)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12309311/Hallucinogenic-MUSHROOMS-blame-Treasury-Secretary-Janet-Yellen-76-repeatedly-bowing-Chinas-vice-premier-ordered-four-portions-dinner-chef-insists-werent-psychedelic.html

[MechAg94]

Even if that is not true, all you need to understand is it is not her fault.  She can never just be wrong or make a mistake.

[ilbob]

People who voluntarily located themselves in Taiwan should get themselves out if warranted and not expect the US government to do so.