Pray for virginia

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I don't know whether the Libertarian candidate swayed the election. I don't blame the Libertarians for acting as Libertarians do.

I blame the state Republican Party and the RNC for spending 1/3 of what they did to get McDonnell elected in 2009. It's hard to win when you are outspent over 2 to 1 AND your "allies" are absent while the Democrats are spending buckets of cash.

yup
someone pays attention

damn phone

[Fitz]

Just so everyone's aware, I'm stealing large swaths of this thread for facebook arguments.

[roo_ster]

When the facts are considered in the slim victory that terribly flawed Democrat Terry McAuliffe had against Ken Cuccinelli, it’s hard to deny the conclusion that the Republican party decided it was better to abandon Virginia to the Democrat party than to allow the Tea Party and social conservatives to win.

Here they are:

    The Republican National Committee spent three times as much in 2009 on the same race as they did this year.
    The Chamber of Commerce spent one million dollars in the last Governor’s race, and not one dime on Cuccinelli.
    While it’s often claimed that Tea Party candidates do poorly among independents, Cuccinelli actually won independents by 9 points, 47 percent to 38 percent.
    “McAuliffe outraised Cuccinelli by almost $15 million,” and in the last weeks of the campaign, this left Cuccinelli with nearly no media exposure.
    Even Politico wonders if Cuccinelli was beginning to turn the tide against the “War on Women” narrative, as he drove down McAuliffe’s lead among women from 24% in polling to 9%.

In the last month, Cuccinelli’s claim that the election was a referendum on Obamacare started closing the gap for him – the continuing debacle of Obama’s signature legislation was taking its toll on his opponent. But ultimately, he couldn’t close the gap without help.

[RevDisk]

Well, you definitely got the Democrat playbook against <fill in the blank> conservative opponent.

You also didn't get enough about McAuliff. He is, additionally, completely unprepared and unqualified for any administrative position, let alone chief executive of a state.

We will suffer for 4 years. (Hopefully the massive supermajority in the House of Delegates will mitigate that, though.)

So what am I missing?

I gather he spent his entire career raising money, instead of actually doing anything productive for his constituents ?

[K Frame]

This.  It sucks that we have a D as gov, but we've had several in the last few years and things haven't collapsed.  We have a system in place that mitigates such foolishness.

Chris

Several of my friends/acquaintances are just about ready to go over the ledge about the election.

One of them is basically running around squawking OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN!

I've not read this entire thread, but has anyone picked up on the fact that there is going to be at least one special election to fill a Virginia Senate seat? Maybe two (Not sure if the two candidates for Lt. Gov) have both withdrawn from their seat or what...

But, in either case, both Senators, one Democrat, one Republican represent areas of the state that went HEAVILY for Cucchinelli.

Right now the Virginia Senate is split, 20-20, with the Lt. Gov. breaking any voting ties.

It's entirely possible that the Senate could end up going 1 up for Republicans.

Sure, not that great a deal, really.

Until you consider that the Republicans have an unassailable majority in the House of Delegates.

[K Frame]

So what am I missing?

I gather he spent his entire career raising money, instead of actually doing anything productive for his constituents ?

You're missing the fact that this is the first, and I mean FIRST, elected office he's ever held.

So, he's never had any constituents.

He is the consummate outsider to Virginia and Virginia politics. Unless he brings aboard some VERY saavy Virginia politicos, he could end up being buried in the process.

[zxcvbob]

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/11/92490-gop-gives-virginia-democrats-instead-giving-tea-party-social-conservatives-win/

I told my wife last year that the RNC was deliberately throwing the presidential election -- I just couldn't figure out why.  (I still haven't figured that out, but Mrs. Z reminded me of it recently and says she now thinks I might've been right.)  I think Romney was in it to win but he was just a rich patsy.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The rnc outspent the dnc 3 to 1 in this race. What did you want?


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Several of my friends/acquaintances are just about ready to go over the ledge about the election.

One of them is basically running around squawking OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN!

I've not read this entire thread, but has anyone picked up on the fact that there is going to be at least one special election to fill a Virginia Senate seat? Maybe two (Not sure if the two candidates for Lt. Gov) have both withdrawn from their seat or what...

But, in either case, both Senators, one Democrat, one Republican represent areas of the state that went HEAVILY for Cucchinelli.

Right now the Virginia Senate is split, 20-20, with the Lt. Gov. breaking any voting ties.

It's entirely possible that the Senate could end up going 1 up for Republicans.

Sure, not that great a deal, really.

Until you consider that the Republicans have an unassailable majority in the House of Delegates.

yup northams district 2 of 3 counties went to cucinelli


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[RoadKingLarry]

The rnc outspent the dnc 3 to 1 in this race. What did you want?


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Exactly what we got.

[Scout26]

The rnc outspent the dnc 3 to 1 in this race. What did you want?


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You mean the Democrats raised $35 million while the Republicans raised $20 million.  Which would be the DNC outspent the RNC 1.75 to 1.

Facts are pesky things.

[French G.]

You're missing the fact that this is the first, and I mean FIRST, elected office he's ever held.

So, he's never had any constituents.

He is the consummate outsider to Virginia and Virginia politics. Unless he brings aboard some VERY saavy Virginia politicos, he could end up being buried in the process.

Thus showcasing his complete lack of concern for VA and why this can only be a stepping stone to something greater.

[makattak]

The rnc outspent the dnc 3 to 1 in this race. What did you want?


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The RNC has been outraising the Dems this year as well. I'd like them not to have wasted money on Christie's easy win.

I'd like the groups (e.g. Chamber of Commerce) that claim to care about taxes and fiscal conservatism to support a fiscal conservative.

They didn't. That speaks volumes about what they really care about.

[vaskidmark]

I wasn't following the election closely. The gist I got was Cuccinelli dislikes women and gays, McAuliff was a Dem fundraiser guy with deep pockets that loves Big Government and Crony Capitalism. Don't know much about Sarvis.

So, how accurate is that assessment?

Cuccinelli did co-sponsoir an anti-abortion bill that would have required a transvaginal ultrasound before proceeding.  (Rape and incest victims were not exempted.)  He's been up front about his opposition to abortion based on personal religious convictions (Roman Catholic), and the measure was soundly defeated.  In spite of that he ran sucessfully for AG.

Virginia law spells out who gets to ber npt discriminated against.  Governor wanted to add gays.  As AG Cuccinelli published an opinion in response to a legislator's request that stated Va law did not allow the governor to extend non-discrimination to gays.  Gays & their supporters got all, pardon the expression, butt-hurt.

Yes, I guess he hates womyn and gays.

stay safe.

[Balog]

Trans vaginal ultrasounds are only required during very early pregnancy, generally it's a normal US. Also, fun fact, the clinics do them already without the law. It's a medical necessity that the law wouldn't have changed. All that would have changed via the law, would be that the clinic would have to show the mother the pictures of her child before she could kill it. "ZOMG the horrors!" It got spun as "GOP wants to rape women!!!!eleventyone11!!" because that fit the BS War on Women narrative they were trying to spin.

I think it's funny how lefties are so in favor of governmental health and safety regs and fully informed consumer laws except for abortion. Cause they know that many women wouldn't go through with it if they understood what was actually happening.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Trans vaginal ultrasounds are only required during very early pregnancy, generally it's a normal US. Also, fun fact, the clinics do them already without the law. It's a medical necessity that the law wouldn't have changed. All that would have changed via the law, would be that the clinic would have to show the mother the pictures of her child before she could kill it. "ZOMG the horrors!" It got spun as "GOP wants to rape women!!!!eleventyone11!!" because that fit the BS War on Women narrative they were trying to spin.

I think it's funny how lefties are so in favor of governmental health and safety regs and fully informed consumer laws except for abortion. Cause they know that many women wouldn't go through with it if they understood what was actually happening.

Don't need to see it to know I don't want it.

The theroy that guilt tripping woman who want an abortion is a good idea is the real BS.

Chalk another vote for Sarvis up to not gonna vote for Cucinilli anyway. If not for Sarvis, I doubt I would have even bothered to go. It's a shame he didn't get the 10%.

If the GOP wants the libertarian vote (or libertarian leaning votes) then they can put up canadates that appeal to those voters. I can promise that a socially conservative Roman Cathlic that uses political office as his pulpit is not ever going to get that vote.
If they don't do that, then they can stop whining about tinfoilery scemes that Dems are splitting the votes.

[Hutch]

My fear is, generally, that we're rapidly arriving at the end of the "awkward stage".  NYC has elected an in-your-face progressive redistributionist who campaigned on the promise to raise taxes on the rich.  Jersey just set up a RINO to be our next GOP candidate for POTUS.

Hutch is a somber panda

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You mean the Democrats raised $35 million while the Republicans raised $20 million.  Which would be the DNC outspent the RNC 1.75 to 1.

Facts are pesky things.

Yes they are
You are aware that the rnc and dnc are specific organizations?
And that they operate under "hard money" restrictions?
And that they represent a fraction of the totals raised during a campaign?


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[Gowen]

My fear is, generally, that we're rapidly arriving at the end of the "awkward stage".  NYC has elected an in-your-face progressive redistributionist who campaigned on the promise to raise taxes on the rich.  Jersey just set up a RINO to be our next GOP candidate for POTUS.

Hutch is a somber panda

And that is why I will be voting 3rd party next election.  I don't agree with the libertarians on drug issues, but at least they err on the side of freedom, as opposed to the stupid party and the quasi-communist party.

[Balog]

Don't need to see it to know I don't want it.

The theroy that guilt tripping woman who want an abortion is a good idea is the real BS.

Chalk another vote for Sarvis up to not gonna vote for Cucinilli anyway. If not for Sarvis, I doubt I would have even bothered to go. It's a shame he didn't get the 10%.

If the GOP wants the libertarian vote (or libertarian leaning votes) then they can put up canadates that appeal to those voters. I can promise that a socially conservative Roman Cathlic that uses political office as his pulpit is not ever going to get that vote.
If they don't do that, then they can stop whining about tinfoilery scemes that Dems are splitting the votes.

the idea that it was going to force doctors to rape innocent womyn was the real BS. The other is a debatable matter, .gov out of healthcare vs fully informed consent. I just grow weary of hearing silly War on Women talking points regurgitated as though they were fact.

[Balog]

Also, those evil evil socons who need to become D-lites in order to appease the theoretically mighty Libertarian vote got %45. The Libertarian got %6. I know which side I think needs the other more. Perhaps it's the L's who need to tone down their offensive rhetoric on red line issues in order to garner more popular support?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

More on how the money game works
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/06/McAuliffe-Funded-the-Democratic-Ground-Game-That-Sealed-His-Victory-Over-Cuccinelli


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[Balog]

A good look at the role Sarvis played. Folks who voted L would have went for the D instead of the R 2-1 so it was a significant net positive for Cuccinelli.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/11/06/stop-scapegoating-third-party-candidates-for-election-results/?iid=op-main-lead

[BlueStarLizzard]

A good look at the role Sarvis played. Folks who voted L would have went for the D instead of the R 2-1 so it was a significant net positive for Cuccinelli.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/11/06/stop-scapegoating-third-party-candidates-for-election-results/?iid=op-main-lead

I actually mentioned this the other day on FB.

My bosses and I were joking around and I fussed at them because I hadn't gotten to the polls yet.
The younger made a snark about her vote canceling out mine anyway. She assumed I was going to vote for Cucinilli. I snarked back and told her I was voting for Sarvis.
She got bummed out. She admitted that she only voted for McCalif because she didn't want cucinilli to win.

She's a die hard democrate, yet she hates McCalif. It made me think that Sarvis was probably getting a lot of support because a lot of Democratic voters hated their option just as much as the more conservative (republicans, libertarians and tea partiers) vote dislike cucinilli.

[Perd Hapley]

the idea that it was going to force doctors to rape innocent womyn was the real BS. The other is a debatable matter, .gov out of healthcare vs fully informed consent. I just grow weary of hearing silly War on Women talking points regurgitated as though they were fact.

Get your laws off my body!

Oh, wait, Obamacare? Take me now!!