Maxine Waters Calls For Harassment of All Trump Personnel

[K Frame]

She'd cry racism.

Of course she would. Just as she claimed that opposition to Obama's plans was simple racism, nothing more.

[RocketMan]

Congresswoman Maxine Waters starring in "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdumb".

I wish I could claim credit for the above.  Saw it in a cartoon gif on another site.

[Perd Hapley]

1.  I have read plenty of history books.  

Were those the books about Nazi restaurant owners asking members of the rival party to leave? Or as it's known to history - the Holocaust.

2.  What happened in the restaurant against Sarah Huckabee was not "public protest" --- an activity that I am very aware of,  and support if it's peaceful.  The restaurant thing WAS NOT PEACEFUL and was, atleast, "disturbing the peace."

I'm not sure what you're talking about, unless it's the still-unconfirmed hearsay from Mike Huckabee. Sarah Sanders' and the restaurant's owner both said the Press Sec. was asked to leave, and did so without incident.

And I've already disavowed illegal activity, so...

3.  Shaming is what was done in that restaurant.

And as far as we know, it was legal, peaceful, and within the business owner's rights.

I have a serious disconnect with your inference Ms.  Huckabee "brought shame to her office",  or anyone else.    Disagreeing with govt policy, or agenda does not equate to "bringing shame."  If that is your intent then your position is absurd.  

You'll be glad to know that none of that is my position. I don't think Sanders has anything to be ashamed of, and of course the outrage over the border issues is misplaced.

I  would suggest that such a charge be equated to committing criminal acts,  or other acts of malfeasance in office.  As an example, President Clinton and his actions with Monica,  his intern.   That, I would agree, brings "shame" to the Oval office.

I was thinking more along the lines of politicians who refuse to stop the murder of unborn children. Which, incidentally, seems more Nazi-like to me, than anything Maxine Waters said, or anything the Red Hen lady did.

You may not be talking about anything that encourages violence.
I was.
The problem as I see it is I think this "shaming" stuff  seriously risks violence.   It doesn't seem to me you believe that,  or if you do,  you haven't been sufficiently clear.  There's a lot going on out there which doesn't involve Maxine Waters,  such as a Florida office holder being spat on. That's disgusting,  and it also can be prosecuted as assault.
I'm glad you've got Ms. Waters categorized correctly,  but there much more to this than her obsessive compulsive disorders.

Marching in the streets, a la Ferguson, can also turn violent. Martin Luther King, Jr., and his followers also marched in the streets, yet without violence (other than the violence unleashed upon them). Or, compare the "Disrupt J20" gathering to a Tea Party event. It's almost as if, if your goals are peaceful, your conduct tends to be peaceful.

[TommyGunn]

Gawd almighty you can be an ass.  YOU READ A HISTORY BOOK AND FIND OUT JUST HOW THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY CAME TO POWER....YOU KNOW---BACK WHEN THEY WERE JUST A BUNCH OF "STREET THUGS" NOT TOO DIFFERENT THAN ANTIFA.*

The restaurant owner asked Sarah Sanders to leave.    She did.  I never said any laws or rights were violated.   What YOU ARE LEAVING OUT is the much reported fact that the restaurant owner followed her out to another nearby restaurant,  called a bunch of ...apparently .... friends,  who showed up and started the very loud disruption some call "shaming."

The rest of your points I shall not address save that they seem pretty reasonable within their limited context.


*  If you are serious about books about Hitler/The Third Reich  there are two  I can suggest, first,  and I presume you know this,  is THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH.  It's pretty well known, and nothing more need be said
The  other is titled  ADOLF HITLER THE PSYCHOPATHIC GOD.  THE author,  Robert (?) Waite,  provides an interesting and insightful psychological profile of Hitler,  along with a brief background on German History to provide some context.
Also of some interest is HITLERLAND, Andrew Nagorski,  drawn from reflections of Americans who lived in Germany during the mid to late 1920s through the 1930s.

[Perd Hapley]

Gawd almighty you can be an ass.

If I jumped up and down, and called people Nazis for no good reason, would that be better?

The restaurant owner asked Sarah Sanders to leave.    She did.  I never said any laws or rights were violated.

You explicitly said it. You said it was not peaceful, and was "disturbing the peace." Or were you unaware that disturbance of the peace is a crime?

  What YOU ARE LEAVING OUT is the much reported fact that the restaurant owner followed her out to another nearby restaurant,  called a bunch of ...apparently .... friends,  who showed up and started the very loud disruption some call "shaming."

No, I did not leave it out. That's what I referred to as the "still-unconfirmed hearsay from Mike Huckabee." As far as I know, the only evidence we have that the family was followed by anyone is that Mike Huckabee, who was not there, says the family told him so. So it could have happened. It may not have. It might have been the restaurant owner. It may not have been.

[TommyGunn]

The disturbing the peace happened outside.  Actually Sarah Huckabee had left and only her companions went to a nearby *   restaurant,  then the owner of the first restaurant started a group that disrupted Sarahs friends at the second restaurant.  This has been reported by several sources and is no longer a rumor ....if it ever was one.
Just because it was initially reported by Mike Huckabee (not generally noted for rumor mongering)  doesn't show it is only, merely,  a rumor.


*This part of the sentence has been edited to make more sense as is,  not to alter meaning.  My tablet's spell check function has become demented and has done some truly bizarre things recently.

[Perd Hapley]

The disturbing the peace happened outside.  Actually Sarah Huckabee had left and only her companions went to a se on restaurant,  then the owner of the first restaurant started a group that disrupted Sarahs friends at the second restaurant.  This has been reported by several sources and is no longer a rumor ....if it ever was one.
Just because it was initially reported by Mike Huckabee (not generally noted for rumor mongering)  doesn't show it is only, merely,  a rumor.

I didn't say it was a rumor, or that Huckabee was intentionally spreading false information. It's hearsay, because he was not there at the time.

Every source I've found for this is relying solely on Mike Huckabee.

Update: John Roberts, of Fox News, has reported it. Unfortunately, I still don't know if he has a source other than Mr. Huckabee.

https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/06/report-red-hen-owner-stalked-sanders-family-after-kicking-them-out-of-restaurant/

[Hawkmoon]

https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/06/report-red-hen-owner-stalked-sanders-family-after-kicking-them-out-of-restaurant/

Maybe she took a second vote of her employees, and they voted for her to stalk them.

Democracy in action.

[MechAg94]

There was another Trump admin official who was shouted at by a group in a restaurant recently also.  I believe that was the group that included an admin staffer.  I have no issue if they wanted to protest outside, I thought going inside to private property to do the protesting was crossing a line. 

I believe it was a Bush administration guy some years back that had union people protesting outside his house.  I recall a mob of union officials broke down the door of the home of another official who was not home.  His teenage kid was home. 

[TommyGunn]

I didn't say it was a rumor, or that Huckabee was intentionally spreading false information. It's hearsay, because he was not there at the time.

Every source I've found for this is relying solely on Mike Huckabee.

Update: John Roberts, of Fox News, has reported it. Unfortunately, I still don't know if he has a source other than Mr. Huckabee.

https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/06/report-red-hen-owner-stalked-sanders-family-after-kicking-them-out-of-restaurant/

I may be wrong on this,  but it seems to me that the owner of the Red Barn actually stated in an interview that she actually did pretty much exactly what Mr. Huckabee said she'D done.
That Mr. Huckabee stated what he was told doesn't make it "hearsay,"  a legal term relating to how testimonial evidence may be introduced into a court record.   
It does mean that a good reporter ought to vet it, and to atleast try to find a secondary and possibly tertiary confirming source.  Or at the least,  attribute it to the individual making the claim with a caveat about how it was obtained.

I will say I choose to believe Mr.  Huckabee,  until actual proof that he is either wrong,  or has lied about this.  I do not always agree with his politics,  but I do consider him an honorable person.

[Perd Hapley]

I may be wrong on this,  but it seems to me that the owner of the Red Barn actually stated in an interview that she actually did pretty much exactly what Mr. Huckabee said she'D done.
That Mr. Huckabee stated what he was told doesn't make it "hearsay,"  a legal term relating to how testimonial evidence may be introduced into a court record.   
It does mean that a good reporter ought to vet it, and to atleast try to find a secondary and possibly tertiary confirming source.  Or at the least,  attribute it to the individual making the claim with a caveat about how it was obtained.

I will say I choose to believe Mr.  Huckabee,  until actual proof that he is either wrong,  or has lied about this.  I do not always agree with his politics,  but I do consider him an honorable person.

I'm not insulting Huckabee, or questioning his integrity. It's no slight to him to say that his account is hearsay, because it meets the (non-legal) definition. The simple fact is that, having the information second-hand, he may have misunderstood something.

[TommyGunn]

I'm not insulting Huckabee, or questioning his integrity. It's no slight to him to say that his account is hearsay, because it meets the (non-legal) definition. The simple fact is that, having the information second-hand, he may have misunderstood something.

Ok....but please note I did  say that good reporters ought to get confirmation when possible. 


I consider "hearsay" to be a legal term, because courts in general do not accept it as it might be, as you say, misunderstood interpretation,  but as an individual,  I choose my own criteria to determine if I believe someone or not.  I'm not a court, or a lawyer,  or a judge. 
I am just a tad picky.   Maybe prickly as well.

[Ben]

A good point by Ari Fleischer:

After 9/11, Bin Ladin called for the killing of Americans and Jews. I asked the Secret Service if I needed to be concerned. They told me not to worry about it. Imagine how nutty and real the threats against Sarah must be for USSS to take this step. People have lost their minds.

If the Secret Service is recommending a protection detail, the "shaming" is already escalating in a dangerous manner.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/27/people-have-lost-their-minds-ari-fleischer-points-out-just-how-insane-it-is-that-sarah-sanders-needs-secret-service-protection/

[KD5NRH]

What do you think shaming means?

Well, what Democrats define as "shaming," reasonable people define as "accurately and honestly describing."

To name a few examples, "fat shaming," "welfare shaming," "immigration status shaming," etc.

[Perd Hapley]

A good point by Ari Fleischer:

If the Secret Service is recommending a protection detail, the "shaming" is already escalating in a dangerous manner.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/27/people-have-lost-their-minds-ari-fleischer-points-out-just-how-insane-it-is-that-sarah-sanders-needs-secret-service-protection/

With the SCOTUS decisions this week, and Kennedy retiring, I suspect this will get worse. Good thing the Congressional baseball game is already over.

[Angel Eyes]

Looks like it is getting worse:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/06/27/dem-party-volunteer-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-gop-reps-kids-n2494557

The man, identified as Laurence Wayne Key, called the congressman’s Washington office, telling an intern who answered the phone, “I’m going to find the Congressman’s kids and kill them. If you’re going to separate kids at the border, I’m going to kill his kids. Don’t try to find me because you won’t.”

[just Warren]

Don’t try to find me because you won’t.

 

[freakazoid]

Don’t try to find me because you won’t.

[Perd Hapley]

Looks like it is getting worse:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/06/27/dem-party-volunteer-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-gop-reps-kids-n2494557

I believe that happened last week.

[p12]

Can’t find the article but a protester was arrested for throwing chicken poop onto the red hen building.


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[RoadKingLarry]

False flag

[Hawkmoon]

That Mr. Huckabee stated what he was told doesn't make it "hearsay,"  a legal term relating to how testimonial evidence may be introduced into a court record.   

Well, actually ... yes, it does. In fact, it's effectively the definition of "hearsay."

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hearsay

[TommyGunn]

Well, actually ... yes, it does. In fact, it's effectively the definition of "hearsay."

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hearsay

Ok, Perry Mason, you win.  


My point remains .... hearsay,  dearsay,  whatever... until Huckabee is demonstrated to be wrong,  I choose to believe what he said. 

So sue me. 

[Perd Hapley]

Ok, Perry Mason, you win.  


My point remains .... hearsay,  dearsay,  whatever... until Huckabee is demonstrated to be wrong,  I choose to believe what he said. 

So sue me. 

If it hasn't been confirmed by now, and the news cycle has moved on to other things, I wonder if it ever will be.

Also, no news on whether it's ever opened its doors, since the protest.

[makattak]

If it hasn't been confirmed by now, and the news cycle has moved on to other things, I wonder if it ever will be.

Also, no news on whether it's ever opened its doors, since the protest.

According to local reporting, the restaurant is closed until July 5th.