Mandatory public service for young Americans

[MechAg94]

Perhaps not mandatory, but maybe there is a viable way to incentivize a voluntary year of service at ~18. A college stipend or $5000 put into an IRA or something.

Only because I have found that people I interacted with in my working years who have done "dirty jobs" (in the Mike Rowe sense) have generally been better grounded and seemed to have more common sense than those who went from High School to college to a cubicle in a govt office.

If nothing else, working as a roustabout in the oil patch instead of going to college right out of High School taught me that I didn't want to do hard labor all my life and made me appreciate the job I got after paying my way through college. Many times when I was having a bad day at work I thought to myself, "You could be carrying bags of sandblasting sand up three floors of ladders on an offshore rig." And I also happened to learn a lot of manly tool skills during that time that came in handy later in life. "Specialization is for insects."

Edit: Jamis hit on the incentivizing while I was typing.

What AZRedhawk44 said.  

Also, considering how corrupt many things are, there is no way to guarantee EVERY kid did hard work or learned anything.  More than likely you would see 10 people assigned to do the work that 1 or 2 people should do and all it would teach is laziness.  Then you would have the kids with connected parents getting assigned to cushy jobs as an intern for a Congressman or something and learning nothing but how to spend more of my money.  Then you would see someone sue because they were a different race and were assigned to clean toilets somewhere and the resultant anti-discrimination policies would screw it up even more.

With our current govt, it would just be a big waste of time and money and full of indoctrination disguised as "training".  

[MechAg94]

What would be better IMO, is to get rid of food stamps and welfare and force young people to get a job or starve.  That would be the best way to learn the value of hard work. 

[brimic]

What AZRedhawk44 said.  

Also, considering how corrupt many things are, there is no way to guarantee EVERY kid did hard work or learned anything.  More than likely you would see 10 people assigned to do the work that 1 or 2 people should do and all it would teach is laziness.  Then you would have the kids with connected parents getting assigned to cushy jobs as an intern for a Congressman or something and learning nothing but how to spend more of my money.  Then you would see someone sue because they were a different race and were assigned to clean toilets somewhere and the resultant anti-discrimination policies would screw it up even more.

With our current govt, it would just be a big waste of time and money and full of indoctrination disguised as "training".  

 
Give all of the kids a paycheck for $15/hr.
Take out federal/state/FICA from the checks.
Take the remainder of the money and mark it as something lefty sounding like :donated to the less fortunate, or for feeding refugees in east elbonia.
 

They will learn something from this.

[Ron]

There is an “internet law” or meme out there something to the effect that “Any organization whose purpose and staff is not overtly right wing will eventually become a leftist organization.”

Like public schools this would just become another avenue for leftist indoctrination.

[Perd Hapley]

You think women can't perform in a combat role?
They already have.

I'm sure they can. It's not a question of can. It's a question of, should we knowingly put women in that kind of danger, even if they volunteer? The answer is, no, we should not treat women that way, even if some think it grants women some kind of empowerment or dignity. It is wrong.

Like public schools this would just become another avenue for leftist indoctrination.

Of course.

[MillCreek]

I'm sure they can. It's not a question of can. It's a question of, should we knowingly put women in that kind of danger, even if they volunteer? The answer is, no, we should not treat women that way, even if some think it grants women some kind of empowerment or dignity. It is wrong.



Of course.

If my son can get drafted and shot at, I see no reason why my daughter should not be afforded the same opportunity.

[Perd Hapley]

If my son can get drafted and shot at, I see no reason why my daughter should not be afforded the same opportunity.

Can't figure that out, huh?

[230RN]

Someone said,

If my son can get drafted and shot at, I see no reason why my daughter should not be afforded the same opportunity.

Can't figure that out, huh?

Unless someone is kidding, I think someone forgot the baby-making ratio.

One man can make a hundred babies in nine months.

But one woman cannot make a hundred babies in nine months.

A lot of people forget that the two sexes should not be treated identically in all respects.  That's a real fact of life, to be ignored at your cultural peril.

Terry, not a misogynist, but a realist, 230RN

[MillCreek]

^^^And this is exactly the sort of thinking that even the younger Republicans, as mentioned in another thread will be supplanting as they grow older.  How many 20-30 year olds think about gender roles as do you and Fistful?  Not very many, I bet.  And for that matter, darn few of my 50 year old plus social and professional circles feel that way.

[makattak]

^^^And this is exactly the sort of thinking that even the younger Republicans, as mentioned in another thread will be supplanting as they grow older.  How many 20-30 year olds think about gender roles as do you and Fistful?  Not very many, I bet.  And for that matter, darn few of my 50 year old plus social and professional circles feel that way.

"And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!"

[Perd Hapley]

^^^And this is exactly the sort of thinking that even the younger Republicans, as mentioned in another thread will be supplanting as they grow older.  How many 20-30 year olds think about gender roles as do you and Fistful?  Not very many, I bet.  And for that matter, darn few of my 50 year old plus social and professional circles feel that way.

It's funny to me that you think you need to explain this to us.

[makattak]

I'm reminded of Theodore Dalrymple talking to a young lady about the dangers of dating an abusive man (after having been abused) in "Life at the bottom"

(Paraphrasing)

"I can take care of myself!"

But men are generally physically stronger than women and you are putting yourself in danger with such men.

"That's sexist!"



Shorter? Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

[MillCreek]

It's funny to me that you think you need to explain this to us.

So you are against mansplaining?  You are so woke.

[DittoHead]

It's not a question of can. It's a question of should... It is wrong.

Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

I'm not sure anyone is even talking about the same thing here anymore, but my gut says fistful is wrong.
Although it's a man gut so maybe I shouldn't trust it.

[Perd Hapley]

So you are against mansplaining?  You are so woke.

Like the profile says, I'm more into gunsplaining.

I don't understand responding to someone's viewpoint by saying that his ideas are no longer in style. Is that how you form your opinions? Majority rules? 

[Ron]

First world countries go crazy destroying their cultures and religion, stop breeding then import new citizens.

Doesn’t seem very sustainable.

Mandatory service to the state? Is that like catechism class for the unbelievers where they learn how to properly serve the state? 

[lupinus]

Someone said,

Unless someone is kidding, I think someone forgot the baby-making ratio.

One man can make a hundred babies in nine months.

But one woman cannot make a hundred babies in nine months.

A lot of people forget that the two sexes should not be treated identically in all respects.  That's a real fact of life, to be ignored at your cultural peril.

Terry, not a misogynist, but a realist, 230RN

And in just what scenario do you see one man essentially breeding 100 women? How's that work with the whole one man and one woman thing? And for the government interference that would certainly be necessary to facilitate such I'm gonna go ahead and guess you'd scream bloody murder. Cause being drafted into being a brood mare is so much better than potentially being shot at.

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[Ron]

And in just what scenario do you see one man essentially breeding 100 women? How's that work with the whole one man and one woman thing? And for the government interference that would certainly be necessary to facilitate such I'm gonna go ahead and guess you'd scream bloody murder. Cause being drafted into being a brood mare is so much better than potentially being shot at.

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If I may, I believe his point was sperm is cheap, eggs are priceless.

[HankB]

Someone said,

Unless someone is kidding, I think someone forgot the baby-making ratio.

One man can make a hundred babies in nine months.

But one woman cannot make a hundred babies in nine months.

A lot of people forget that the two sexes should not be treated identically in all respects.  That's a real fact of life, to be ignored at your cultural peril.

Terry, not a misogynist, but a realist, 230RN

If you're a government accountant, basic math says that while 1 woman can make 1 baby in 9 months, nine women can make that 1 baby in 1 month.

[TommyGunn]

If you're a government accountant, basic math says that while 1 woman can make 1 baby in 9 months, nine women can make that 1 baby in 1 month.

I sincerely doubt it works that way ..... 

[230RN]

If I may, I believe his point was sperm is cheap, eggs are priceless.

You may.  ✓ and thanks.

If you're a government accountant, basic math says that while 1 woman can make 1 baby in 9 months, nine women can make that 1 baby in 1 month.

Good one.  I heard that joke in relation to something else.

[HankB]

I sincerely doubt it works that way ..... 

Then don't bother applying for any government accounting jobs.   

[Andiron]

Mandatory service?  Hell no,  too many retards make it through boot already.

Extra incentives for prior service?  Not opposed.

[Nick1911]

I'm not sure where exactly this fits in, but when I was in high school I wanted to take some classes at the local vocational technical school.  Later in high school I had extra space in my schedule which I wanted to use learning some metal fab.  I had every intention on moving right on into a bachelors program after high school, but with some free time, why not learn some hands on stuff I wanted to know.

I was strongly, strongly advised against this by everyone.  High school guidance counselors, college admission folks, family, etc. all said I should not do that.  The reason being that it would look bad to admissions folks; it would look like I was not committed to a path of higher education.

I found this frustrating.  It felt like social expectations dictated that learning hands on skills was beneath someone who was pursuing a professional position. Later on in life after graduating and getting a professional job, I went back to night school at a local community college to improve my hands on skills in topics that interest me.

[brimic]

^^^^
My son wants to be an engineer.
He’s in all the right classes in a very good HS which should prepare him well.
My best hope is that he takes a few metal working electives- his school has an incredible machine shop.
His mom keeps pushing him to take fluff classes for electives, all I can to is to plant the seed.