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Title: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: roo_ster on January 14, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
I am not making this up.

I suspect the a caped and coordinated crusader will not go over very well.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4237161/Stan-Lee-to-create-worlds-first-gay-superhero.html

Lee has reportedly created a character called Thom Creed, a high-school basketball player who is forced to hide his sexuality as well as his superpowers.

It is not known what kind of powers Creed will display.

Lee, the former head of Marvel Comics - who also created the Hulk and the X-Men - will unveil Creed in an hour-long television special made in the US.

If he proves popular with audiences, the programme will be shown in Britain.

Lee developed the idea of a gay character from the award-winning novel Hero by Perry Moore, the Sun reports.

A television industry source told the paper: “It was only a matter of time before we had our first gay superhero. And if there is one man who can make him a success it is Stan Lee.

“There’s a real buzz among comic book fans.”

Lee recently told GQ magazine that the world needed an Economist Man and a Foreign Relations Man to help the world weather the global financial crisis.

"Being president these days is too big a job for someone with just one superpower. Though I do think Obama has a certain Mr. Fantastic quality," he said.



"It is not known what kind of powers Creed will display."

Oh, but we can speculate, can't we? <gigglesnort>

Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Viking on January 14, 2009, 05:27:41 PM
Nothing new. Whole bunch of gay superheros in the Marvel universe. Probably a crapload of them in DC, and the smaller companies as well.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Balog on January 14, 2009, 05:59:52 PM
Nothing new. Whole bunch of gay superheros in the Marvel universe. Probably a crapload of them in DC, and the smaller companies as well.

Such as?

Also, when did Stan Lee become a raging Obaminoid?
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: charby on January 14, 2009, 06:01:16 PM
Such as?

Also, when did Stan Lee become a raging Obaminoid?

I think its a smart business move, folks who don't normally buy comic books will snatch those up because of Obama.

Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: MicroBalrog on January 14, 2009, 06:01:48 PM
How are gay superheroes a problem?
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: 41magsnub on January 14, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
SNL already did it, sort of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambiguously_Gay_Duo
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Manedwolf on January 14, 2009, 06:03:20 PM
How are gay superheroes a problem?

Every single long-held American tradition does not need to be bent to the whims and pandering of the liberal revisionists.

I see it as part of the same movement that has deleted toy guns from the hands of kids playing in their yards, that tells them that playing "War" or "Cowboys and Indians" and even "Cops and Robbers" is unacceptable. That takes institutions like Santa Claus and makes them into mean-spirited, cynical reactionary humor that degrades the original traditions.

I don't like it. Why should the sexuality of a superhero even matter? Why should it be brought up? Shouldn't whether they can catch a crashing plane or whatever be the only thing that matters?
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 14, 2009, 06:04:18 PM
I dunno. The whole cape and tights thing seemed gay to me, even when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: MicroBalrog on January 14, 2009, 06:17:14 PM
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Every single long-held American tradition does not need to be bent to the whims and pandering of the liberal revisionists.

Eh, Stan Lee is the AUTHOR. He can put whatever the hell he wants in the comic.

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I don't like it. Why should the sexuality of a superhero even matter? Why should it be brought up? Shouldn't whether they can catch a crashing plane or whatever be the only thing that matters?

Well... doesn't the comic superhero industry at least pretend to have something deeper than random guys catching falling 747s? If we can discuss the relationship of Clark Kent and Louis Lane, then we can also have Bob Ghent who has a relationship with Steve.

Like in all art, the sexual identity of the character matters to what extent it helps define him as a person.

And yes, there's a variety of LGBT uperheroes in both Marvel and DC comics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northstar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgardian_(comics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero#LGBT_characters
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 14, 2009, 06:25:19 PM
big deal. gay superheros already exist.

northstar? i think thats his name. anyway, canadian mutant.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Iain on January 14, 2009, 06:26:19 PM
Every single long-held American tradition does not need to be bent to the whims and pandering of the liberal revisionists.

Must build to frothing rage.

Or not.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Mabs2 on January 14, 2009, 06:48:04 PM
We already have a gay superhero.  Two, actually!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambiguously_Gay_Duo
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: just Warren on January 14, 2009, 07:35:38 PM
Paging Mr. Fabulous,  paging Mr. Fabulous....
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 14, 2009, 07:43:46 PM
How are gay superheroes a problem?

No one said they were a problem.  What's your problem?    :| 

The problem is not with the gay superhero.  The problem is not just the total dearth of sexual morality.  The problem is that we have begun to call good evil, and evil good - in a BIG, BIG way. 
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Gowen on January 14, 2009, 08:30:46 PM
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"It is not known what kind of powers Creed will display."

Oh, but we can speculate, can't we? <gigglesnort>

<theme music: Take a walk on the wild side>
Bad guys beware! A new breed of Sssuperhero!  One slip up and you will be on the receiving end of his size 13EE pumps, before wench slapping you at the bath house.  The mild mannered Creed, a Mary Kay "salesperson" by day, Sssuperhero by night. 
</theme music: Take a walk on the wild side>
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: BridgeRunner on January 14, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Gotta say I think a lesbian superhero is a lot more plausible.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: MicroBalrog on January 14, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
Gotta say I think a lesbian superhero is a lot more plausible.

Been done.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: jamz on January 14, 2009, 09:44:26 PM
Um... pictures?  ;)
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: MikePGS on January 14, 2009, 11:07:31 PM
The gay superhero's that I know of are:
Northstar
Collosus (in Ultimate Marvel)
and possibly Ozymandias from The Watchmen (some people say Rorschach is to, but I just don't buy it)
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 14, 2009, 11:09:23 PM
Um, Superman?  Come on, no matter what he goes through, he's still got that nice, slick hair, with that cute little curl up front.  No straight man uses that much Aquanet. 
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Bigjake on January 14, 2009, 11:18:56 PM
Um, Superman?  Come on, no matter what he goes through, he's still got that nice, slick hair, with that cute little curl up front.  No straight man uses that much Aquanet. 

Unless his super power somehow involved a spud gun....  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2009, 11:38:06 PM
Come now.  Everyone knows that Robin was the first gay superhero.  Maybe not openly gay, but he lusted after Batman.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on January 15, 2009, 12:35:15 AM
Um, Superman?  Come on, no matter what he goes through, he's still got that nice, slick hair, with that cute little curl up front.  No straight man uses that much Aquanet. 
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Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 15, 2009, 12:50:07 AM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Viking on January 15, 2009, 01:08:06 AM
Such as?

Also, when did Stan Lee become a raging Obaminoid?
Minor: Northstar from Alpha Flight.
Major: Colossus from the Ultimate universe.
Minor companies (defunct now): Midnighter and Apollo. Propably a few others as well.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: gunsmith on January 15, 2009, 01:10:47 AM
my fave superhero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imUNqpUneMY
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 15, 2009, 01:15:26 AM
Didn't Peanut and Jeff Dunham already invent a gay superhero?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxZ2FKwQdI
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: BryanP on January 15, 2009, 08:47:20 AM
Minor: Northstar from Alpha Flight.

This is the first one I remember being explicitly described as gay.  And that wasy quite some time back.  Late 80's?  Early 90's? 
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on January 15, 2009, 09:57:57 AM
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The problem is that we have begun to call good evil, and evil good - in a BIG, BIG way. 

Wut? I are confuzzled.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: buzz_knox on January 15, 2009, 10:38:27 AM
At least he's not rewriting a character so that they suddenly come out of the closet, as was done with Colossus and Jarvis in the Ultimate Universe, and the alternate reality John Shepherd in SG:  Atlantis.

Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 15, 2009, 08:08:03 PM
Wut? I are confuzzled.

You're in luck.  Confuzzlement is quite fashionable at present.  Just ask Stan Lee.  Or Gavin Newsom.   =)
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Declaration Day on January 15, 2009, 10:40:00 PM
If we can discuss the relationship of Clark Kent and Louis Lane,


No explanation needed.   =D =D =D
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Nitrogen on January 15, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
my father was just telling me about the outrage about The Black Panther, in '66.
"Those darn niggers even have a SUPERHERO now, it's not RIGHT" as one of his classmates said at the school he went to.
John Stewart was always the best Green Lantern. 

Lord forbid that a limp wristed, light-in-the-loafers superhero exist.
Oh, wait.  One existed in 2002, before Obama was president:
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Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Uncle Bubba on January 16, 2009, 12:20:31 AM


Quote from: MicroBalrog on 14 January 2009, 18:17:14
If we can discuss the relationship of Clark Kent and Louis Lane,



No explanation needed.   =D =D =D


You beat me to it. I was wondering what comics Micro has been reading that the rest of us hadn't seen.

;D
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Seenterman on January 16, 2009, 10:19:51 AM
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Every single long-held American tradition does not need to be bent to the whims and pandering of the liberal revisionists.

I see it as part of the same movement that has deleted toy guns from the hands of kids playing in their yards, that tells them that playing "War" or "Cowboys and Indians" and even "Cops and Robbers" is unacceptable.

ROTFLMAO   =D 
The gayz stole our Cowboys and Indians and Cops and Robbers!!!!
 :laugh:
OHH NOOOZZ the gays are ruining everything! (except interior design)

Or maybe its just because they play those games totally different from how they were played in your days  . . . .

Oh god, I love it when Republicans think everything is about themselves and everything affects them.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: makattak on January 16, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
ROTFLMAO   =D 
The gayz stole our Cowboys and Indians and Cops and Robbers!!!!
 :laugh:
OHH NOOOZZ the gays are ruining everything! (except interior design)

Or maybe its just because they play those games totally different from how they were played in your days  . . . .

Oh god, I love it when Republicans think everything is about themselves and everything affects them.

When children are SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED from playing such games at schools (and by stupid liberal parents), it is not paranoia to suggest someone is trying to change what the children do.

It's not "they play those games totally different from how they were played in your days", unless you're talking about baseball or football.

We kept score "in my day" (which, btw, was growing up in the 80's... how about that, longing for the EIGHTIES as the good old days).

We also played "Elimination" or "Bombardment"- how are kids "playing those differently" today?

Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: MicroBalrog on January 16, 2009, 12:37:32 PM
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We also played "Elimination" or "Bombardment"- how are kids "playing those differently" today?

Think Call of Duty.

We played Quake, GTA-2 and Half-Life on my school computers when I was a kid, and nobody seemed to mind.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: makattak on January 16, 2009, 12:50:04 PM
Think Call of Duty.

We played Quake, GTA-2 and Half-Life on my school computers when I was a kid, and nobody seemed to mind.

Much as I love those games, it's not the same.

It's killing pixelated characters controlled by an opponent.

That's great and all, but it's not the same as a physical struggle against a physical opponent. (Which, having been a small person until after high school, I recognize the challenges. I absolutely loved that game though- maybe I wasn't an offensive force but that skinny boy could MOVE)

Well done on a parallel, though- I hadn't considered PVP.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: MicroBalrog on January 16, 2009, 12:56:13 PM
That is true. These are however very violent games in some ways. :)
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 16, 2009, 01:28:15 PM
ROTFLMAO   =D 
The gayz stole our Cowboys and Indians and Cops and Robbers!!!!
 :laugh:
OHH NOOOZZ the gays are ruining everything! (except interior design)

Did you actually read what he said?  He didn't blame "gays" at all.


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Oh god, I love it when Republicans think everything is about themselves and everything affects them.
Such as?  You're quoting an adult, talking about how children play.  So, how is he construing this as all about himself?  He doesn't even have any children.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: just Warren on January 16, 2009, 03:38:44 PM
Speaking of superpowers

http://superuseless.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Manedwolf on January 16, 2009, 03:55:24 PM
Speaking of superpowers

http://superuseless.blogspot.com/

I'd seen a list like that. One of the ones I found amusing was "attract dust more rapidly".
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Seenterman on January 16, 2009, 04:15:47 PM
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Did you actually read what he said?  He didn't blame "gays" at all.

Yea I know thats why my comment was over the top sarcastic, I just think its funny he chose to complain about that in the first gay super hero thread.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: K Frame on January 16, 2009, 04:17:13 PM
Wait!

Gay superheros aren't created!

They're born! They're that way naturally!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 16, 2009, 05:03:17 PM
Yea I know thats why my comment was over the top sarcastic, I just think its funny he chose to complain about that in the first gay super hero thread.

Still not making any sense. 
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: erictank on January 16, 2009, 10:00:28 PM
big deal. gay superheros already exist.

northstar? i think thats his name. anyway, canadian mutant.

KNEW I remembered at least one.  Thanks for reminding me. 

Northstar came out back in the Eighties, IIRC.  His twin sister (Aurora) had Multiple Personality Disorder.  Not a happy family.

Other homosexuals in comics: in 'The Authority' (minor-label series picked up by Wildstorm, IIRC), two of the major characters were very openly in a homosexual relationship - the Batman analogue (Midnighter) and the Superman analogue (Apollo).  Apollo was frequently written and drawn as being ever so slightly effeminate, IMO  - but he could fly, was basically invulnerable, could juggle battleships, and had heat vision.  He didn't get bashed.  =D  And people had even LESS desire to take on Midnighter, who mixed Batman's fighting skill, Wolverine's hyperviolent attitude (times about a thousand), a degree of superhuman strength, speed, and toughness, and a precognitive sense that allowed him to counter your attacks before you made them.  I actually liked that their relationship was neither particularly in-your-face nor in-the-closet. 

I didn't know that they'd decided that Ultimate Colossus was gay.  Then again, I haven't read many comics in the last several years, either. 

Mike, your comment was HILARIOUS.
Title: Re: Stan Lee 'to create world's first gay superhero'
Post by: Lbys on January 16, 2009, 10:07:57 PM
Batwoman is another, and I didn't see her mentioned above.  From the Oracle at Wikipedia:

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The modern Batwoman is written as being of Jewish descent and as a lesbian in an effort by DC editorial staff to diversify its publications and better connect to modern day readership.

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She's the one in the red dress.