Obama loses to "Generic Republican"... this is bad for us

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-Voter-Preferences-Obama-Republican-Remain-Close.aspx

This is bad.

This will encourage the Romneys, McCains, Giulianis and other filth to run, and encourage the GOP national structure to support status quo rather than reform.

[longeyes]

Not necessarily.  For "generic Republican" read NOT OBAMA.  I think the American people understand instinctively that before we can heal what's wrong we must first extract the nettle.  There are several paths we can take, and we have a year to make that choice.

[RocketMan]

That's funny.  All the other polls I've seen in the news the last few days show Obama anywhere from a few points to comfortably ahead of any Republican challenger, at least among likely voters.

Besides, I really believe Romney will be the Republican candidate, and large numbers of conservatives will stay home on election day 2012 with predictable results.

[makattak]

That's funny.  All the other polls I've seen in the news the last few days show Obama anywhere from a few points to comfortably ahead of any Republican challenger, at least among likely voters.

Besides, I really believe Romney will be the Republican candidate, and large numbers of conservatives will stay home on election day 2012 with predictable results.

I will not stay home on election day if Romney is the candidate. I will vote for a conservative in each of the elections. This, of course, means I will be voting for someone other than the Republican candidate in the general.

We cannot survive another candidate that just stops the progress toward complete socialism (if Romney would even do that.) We need someone who will push back. Romney will NEVER get my vote. He can't be trusted.  (About nearly anything.)

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Besides, I really believe Romney will be the Republican candidate, and large numbers of conservatives will stay home on election day 2012 with predictable results.

It seems to me that the only clear difference between Romney and Obama is skin color. And in this enlightened age, that's not a winning issue.

[AZRedhawk44]

Yep, I won't trade Obamacare for Romneycare, either.

Not when it puts the taint of fiat legitimacy to State-sponsored terrorism despotism autocracy via the Commerce Clause.

Obamacare is the line in the sand.  It's where we tell our "betters" to take a stab at a rolling donut.

[Perd Hapley]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-Voter-Preferences-Obama-Republican-Remain-Close.aspx

This is bad.

This will encourage the Romneys, McCains, Giulianis and other filth to run, and encourage the GOP national structure to support status quo rather than reform.

I don't see it. The RINOs will run regardless (it's their turn, donchaknow?), and their supporters will always think that Rudy McRomney is more electable than whichever icky conservatives are running.

[SteveT]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148076/2012-Voter-Preferences-Obama-Republican-Remain-Close.aspx

This is bad.

This will encourage the Romneys, McCains, Giulianis and other filth to run, and encourage the GOP national structure to support status quo rather than reform.

It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense

Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?

[makattak]

It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense

Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?

The people who share my beliefs (to some extent) make up a plurality. Enough of the squishy middle just might realize we're on a path to Argentina and Weimar if we don't stop and turn around.

Fortunately, we'll have an election in a year and five months to see if they wake up. Whatever happens, we'll be getting the government that the majority of the voters deserve.

[erictank]

It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense

Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?

<Snark related to your final comment removed prior to posting.  But I thought REAL hard about going there.>

When a significant plurality WANTS to vote themselves "bread and circuses", and hang the expense because "someone else" is going to have to pay for it anyways, I will argue (DO argue) that the tyranny of the majority is... less relevant than fans of unmitigated democracy might think.

Remember that only about 1/3 of the population supported the American Revolution.

[Waitone]

Romney in the last few weeks has struck out.
--Supports Ethanol boondoggle--Strike 1
--Refused to renounce Romney care--Strike 2
--Believes in man caused global warming--Strike 3

And I think it is evident to the northeastern republican tribe that he carries just too much baggage when being heavily contested by TEA party types.  The reason I say that is out of the primal ooze surfaces Rick Perry who is being positioned as a conservative's conservative.  Why he alone is responsible for something like 38% of net new jobs in the US since 2009, or so the propagandists say.  Key members of his staff as governor left to run Gingrich's (another establishment republican) campaign.  When Gingrich cratered, the staff went back to Perry who just coincidently began playing the peek-a-boo game.  Gingrich is off the table, Romney will have trouble, and there sits Perry (the establishment republican's hip-pocket candidate). 

FWIW, Perry is no constitutional conservative.  He is an attractive figure on which the TEA party types can write their hopes and dreams.  Establishment republicans would rather have 4 more of Obama than permit an effective TEA party type to represent the party. 

[longeyes]

I'd prefer Perry over Romney too, for obvious reasons, but if it becomes Romney versus Obama...well, those of you who plan to stay home or vote third party had better gird your loins for...OMG...secession.  This nation is not going to survive another Obama term intact.

[makattak]

I'd prefer Perry over Romney too, for obvious reasons, but if it becomes Romney versus Obama...well, those of you who plan to stay home or vote third party had better gird your loins for...OMG...secession.  This nation is not going to survive another Obama term intact as it exists today.

I'm well aware another Obama term dooms this country. I believe a RINO dooms us as well, just more slowly AND makes it harder to fix after it falls apart.

Thus, if we're screwed either way, I choose the one that gives me the better chance that my little girl will be living in a first world country by the time she grows up, rather than having it collapse around her.

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."

[longeyes]

All I'm saying is...accept the consequences.  You're not the only one preparing for hard times. 

Another RINO is bad news, that's true, but do you really think that a sufficient quorum of your countrymen, right now, are sufficiently engaged to take us where you'd like us to arrive?  The average American doesn't even know who fought in the Civil War.

[makattak]

All I'm saying is...accept the consequences.  You're not the only one preparing for hard times. 

Another RINO is bad news, that's true, but do you really think that a sufficient quorum of your countrymen, right now, are sufficiently engaged to take us where you'd like us to arrive?  The average American doesn't even know who fought in the Civil War.

Would the situation improve with a RINO in the White House?

The numbers are clear. We have, at most, 15 years at current projections (I'm betting those are too high) until the Ponzi schemes start collapsing. Another Obama term would significantly shorten the time before the collapse. A RINO might not shorten it at all; maybe he would even buy a little more time, but he wouldn't fix it.

Either way, we're screwed. I prefer there be a chance to fix it before my child starts her adult life.

[longeyes]

Well, I'm the one who's been talking about "divorce" for quite a while now.  If divorce is inevitable--and I think it is--the goal has to be peaceful separation.  Problem is, the American people are not there yet; they are not even close.

Your goal--a better world for your daughter--is best served by focusing on how we can agree to amicably disagree as a people, with all that implies, not by withholding your vote for Romney.  Only that was my point.

[mtnbkr]

Maybe talkers should become doers.

Chris

[HankB]

With a GOP POTUS, even a RINO, there's at least a CHANCE of getting a good SCOTUS nominee. No guarantee - but a chance.

With Obama - nope. None. Zip. Zero.

Bad SCOTUS nominees can do this country more damage than nearly anything else Obama/Reid/Pelosi have done.

[longeyes]

Maybe talkers should become doers.

Chris

Do you know what I'm doing?  Somehow I doubt it.

But what is it, Mr Chris, that you are coyly encouraging?  Why don't you spell it out?  

I have heard so much macho bluster on this forum.  The irony is thick as lard, pal.  All I've proposed is organizing a peaceful movement to regain our political autonomy.  The rest is your wishful thinking.

[makattak]

With a GOP POTUS, even a RINO, there's at least a CHANCE of getting a good SCOTUS nominee. No guarantee - but a chance.

With Obama - nope. None. Zip. Zero.

Bad SCOTUS nominees can do this country more damage than nearly anything else Obama/Reid/Pelosi have done.

Yes they can. However, that only matters if the country does not collapse.

My opinion is that we have only a short time (not next year nor even within the next Presidential term, for example, but within a generation) if things continue as they are now. A bad Justice from a bad President only hastens that time.

It is preferable to me to hasten the time to the collapse if avoiding the collapse is not an option.

Voting between a collapse that happens sooner and a collapse that happens later means I pick sooner so that I can deal with the problems rather than my children dealing with them.

[TommyGunn]

It's extremely bad, until you realize that the majority of the country isn't down with the the whole TP nonsense

Will anything actually show you are a minority in (YOUR) country?

   TP?  At the risk of sounding naive, what does that stand for?    (Please don't say Toilet Paper.)

[makattak]

   TP?  At the risk of sounding naive, what does that stand for?    (Please don't say Toilet Paper.)

He doesn't like the Tea Party

[mtnbkr]

Do you know what I'm doing?  Somehow I doubt it.

But what is it, Mr Chris, that you are coyly encouraging?  Why don't you spell it out? 

I have heard so much macho bluster on this forum.  The irony is thick as lard, pal.  All I've proposed is organizing a peaceful movement to regain our political autonomy.  The rest is your wishful thinking.

I'm not encouraging anything, I'm merely pointing that some folks seem to talk about revolution and secession quite a bit.  It reminds me of a fable I read as a kid.

               
                                                  The Trumpeter Taken Prisoner



   A Trumpeter during a battle ventured too near the enemy and was captured by them.
   They were about to proceed to put him to death when he begged them to hear his plea for mercy.

   "I do not fight," said he, "and indeed carry no weapon; I only blow this trumpet, and surely
   that cannot harm you; then why should you kill me?"

   "You may not fight yourself," said the others, "but you encourage and guide your men to the fight."



                                             Words may be deeds.

[Sergeant Bob]

If the stupid party cannot field a better candidate than the likes of Romney, I'd sooner vote for Kucinich. I'm sick of the OMG!!WehavetovoteforthestupidpartyorriskliberalSCOTUSpicks!

Been hearing that (I used to think the same way) for so many elections I'm sick of it.

[longeyes]

I'm not encouraging anything, I'm merely pointing that some folks seem to talk about revolution and secession quite a bit.  It reminds me of a fable I read as a kid.

               
                                                  The Trumpeter Taken Prisoner



   A Trumpeter during a battle ventured too near the enemy and was captured by them.
   They were about to proceed to put him to death when he begged them to hear his plea for mercy.

   "I do not fight," said he, "and indeed carry no weapon; I only blow this trumpet, and surely
   that cannot harm you; then why should you kill me?"

   "You may not fight yourself," said the others, "but you encourage and guide your men to the fight."



                                             Words may be deeds.

Nice fable, but without ideas and words there's no purposeful action taken, just instinctive spasms.  If I talk about secession it does not mean that that is my ideal outcome, only that it appears to me to be the most plausible future scenario given everything I see right now.  Can you honestly tell me that you think it is going to be possible for Americans who still believe in political liberty and the tenets of the U.S. Constitution to co-exist with all of those who do not?  Unless freedom-loving Americans find a way to safeguard their own rights they are going to end up submerged.