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Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« on: February 03, 2016, 10:27:46 AM »
Not happy to hear this. Cruz admits to spreading the "Ben Carson is dropping out" rumor during the Iowa caucus. While I was ready to vote for him if he got the nomination, he's got some work to do now to earn my vote back. I don't like cheats, and "the end justifies the means" holds no sway with me.

http://twitchy.com/2016/02/03/donald-trump-ted-cruz-didnt-win-iowa-he-stole-it/
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 10:42:52 AM »
Not happy to hear this. Cruz admits to spreading the "Ben Carson is dropping out" rumor during the Iowa caucus. While I was ready to vote for him if he got the nomination, he's got some work to do now to earn my vote back. I don't like cheats, and "the end justifies the means" holds no sway with me.

http://twitchy.com/2016/02/03/donald-trump-ted-cruz-didnt-win-iowa-he-stole-it/

This is a mountain from a molehill for me.

There was honest confusion about Mr. Carson's intentions, mainly because he wasn't clear, which is a problem he has.

I don't see this as "dirty tricks", anymore than Trump's attempt to portray it as such is. Both are making assumptions about ambiguities.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2016, 10:48:19 AM »
This is a mountain from a molehill for me.

There was honest confusion about Mr. Carson's intentions, mainly because he wasn't clear, which is a problem he has.

I don't see this as "dirty tricks", anymore than Trump's attempt to portray it as such is. Both are making assumptions about ambiguities.

I completely agree with makattak.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2016, 10:57:29 AM »
I completely agree with makattak.

Ditto.

CNN was reporting that "Carson wouldn't be going to NH or SC, and was going home to Florida..." etc. And that was from the Carson staff.

The Cruz staff read a little too much into it, and decided it meant Carson was folding. No ill intent needed.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2016, 11:02:49 AM »
Not the first or last clumsy Cruz slimy action followed by clumsy word-chaff.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2016, 11:07:35 AM »
Well, perhaps I need to read more news stories on it. I just do not like the idea of "grey area" this early. I also have no patience for the 21st century form of apology that starts off with, "I'm sorry you misunderstood...".

I'm already pretty anti-establishment this voting cycle, and it's not going to take much to get me to write-in "Donald Duck" if the nominee does something I don't like. I'm tired of excusing behavior  I don't like "for the greater good and those Supreme Court appointments".
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2016, 11:43:47 AM »
Well, perhaps I need to read more news stories on it. I just do not like the idea of "grey area" this early. I also have no patience for the 21st century form of apology that starts off with, "I'm sorry you misunderstood...".

I'm already pretty anti-establishment this voting cycle, and it's not going to take much to get me to write-in "Donald Duck" if the nominee does something I don't like. I'm tired of excusing behavior  I don't like "for the greater good and those Supreme Court appointments".

Here's some help:

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/cnn-not-cruz-staff-responsible-for-ben-carson-campaign-suspension-rumor/

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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2016, 11:49:35 AM »
Oh, and look! Someone ELSE thought Carson was quitting:

http://politistick.com/uh-oh-was-marco-rubio-guilty-in-the-ben-carson-dropout-rumor/

Rubio MAY be unaware of what his workers did because he, like Cruz, was in the midst of campaigning when this happened 15 minutes before caucus start.

Or, he may be attacking Cruz disingenuously, as he is wont to do. (Or, it might be an "and")
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2016, 11:56:57 AM »
Oh, and look! Someone ELSE thought Carson was quitting:

http://politistick.com/uh-oh-was-marco-rubio-guilty-in-the-ben-carson-dropout-rumor/

Rubio MAY be unaware of what his workers did because he, like Cruz, was in the midst of campaigning when this happened 15 minutes before caucus start.

Or, he may be attacking Cruz disingenuously, as he is wont to do. (Or, it might be an "and")

Nevermind... People are ANGRY... ANGRY I tell ya!

And the idea that there never really were "good old days" in American politics, and this kind of stuff is what has gone on since the British surrendered at Yorktown doesn't matter.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2016, 12:01:27 PM »
Nevermind... People are ANGRY... ANGRY I tell ya!

And the idea that there never really were "good old days" in American politics, and this kind of stuff is what has gone on since the British surrendered at Yorktown doesn't matter.


This.

Plus, if it was intentional, IDC.  That barely qualifies as dirty politics.  Meanwhile, Hillary is busing caucus goers in to make sure she wins....and the dead always vote democrat.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2016, 12:12:21 PM »
I don't like "for the greater good and those Supreme Court appointments".

I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but "the greater good" helps split the over/under on the odds between dying old in bed, or in an alley with our AR's...

Pouting that Paul or whoever isn't in the mix, "Let it all fall down sooner than later" really doesn't provide us with a solution, and you figure that after Balkanization, the Idaho/Montana/Wyoming-ish successor state is going to have a "good enough" approximation of "how things ought to be" isn't a viable solution for most of us. And long-term, isn't for Idaho/Montana/Wyoming either.

There won't ever be a "restoration". Not going to happen. The best we'll ever get is a Pyrrhic victory where hopefully we can make a bunch of the Socialist Left, and Corporatist authoritarian center-right pay for what they've done with their lives first.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2016, 01:23:54 PM »
I'm going with the mountain out of a mole hill. Carson should be hitting CNN with it for reporting it, not Cruz's campaign for running with the report. But then, Carson isn't running against CNN.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2016, 01:37:17 PM »
Lies are wrong.

Cruz is still the best candidate.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2016, 02:39:48 PM »
I'm now seeing reports that Trump supporters were also pushing the "Carson is getting out" line.

Which, of course, is the truth finally getting its pants on after the lie is halfway around the world.

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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2016, 02:48:27 PM »
I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but "the greater good" helps split the over/under on the odds between dying old in bed, or in an alley with our AR's...

Pouting that Paul or whoever isn't in the mix, "Let it all fall down sooner than later" really doesn't provide us with a solution, and you figure that after Balkanization, the Idaho/Montana/Wyoming-ish successor state is going to have a "good enough" approximation of "how things ought to be" isn't a viable solution for most of us. And long-term, isn't for Idaho/Montana/Wyoming either.

There won't ever be a "restoration". Not going to happen. The best we'll ever get is a Pyrrhic victory where hopefully we can make a bunch of the Socialist Left, and Corporatist authoritarian center-right pay for what they've done with their lives first.

Yeah, I get all that. I've been voting for 38 years now. The only times I've ever voted FOR someone was Tom McClintock for office here in CA (who I would vote president for life) and George W round one (maybe Reagan as well, but I can't remember). All the rest of my votes have been cast as "better than nothing" or, "Can't let 'X' win". I figure after all this time that I've built up some voting seniority and the right to gripe, and the right to write-in a candidate who has no chance of winning if I decide I've had enough of status quo.

Doesn't mean I won't vote for Cruz now, but I believe I have the right not to vote for him if I decide he has changed course. Perhaps Iowa is in fact overblown and I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Still, whether he has done anything or not, I believe we should be better than giving any candidate a pass because whatever illegal or smarmy thing they did was not as bad as the other guy. While harsh reality may prove otherwise, we shouldn't be content with less bad behavior. It's like saying, "John Doe only shoplifted, while Jane Doe committed murder". I'd like to support a John Doe who not only didn't commit murder, but didn't shoplift either.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2016, 03:32:23 PM »
If you are looking for an excuse to NOT vote for someone, just come right out and say you won't vote.  Something will come out, true or not.  If Jesus Christ himself was running, I am sure would find something about Him you didn't like also. 
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2016, 03:33:26 PM »
If you are looking for an excuse to NOT vote for someone, just come right out and say you won't vote.  Something will come out, true or not.  If Jesus Christ himself was running, I am sure would find something about Him you didn't like also. 

He's fomenting revolution!

Spreads lies about the ruling class!

He's a radical!
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2016, 03:49:12 PM »
If you are looking for an excuse to NOT vote for someone, just come right out and say you won't vote. 


I believe that's what I did. With the exception being I didn't say I won't vote. I said I won't vote for the most likely  candidate to win if I disagree enough with him. I never said "100% agreement".
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2016, 04:36:22 PM »
I guess I am reacting.  I see people make similar comments cause they found out something.  Most of the time it just seems superficial to me. 


We still have a long way to go.  There will be more situations like this.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2016, 04:49:35 PM »
I guess I am reacting.  I see people make similar comments cause they found out something.  Most of the time it just seems superficial to me. 


We still have a long way to go.  There will be more situations like this.

Well and I guess I was too. :)

Anyway, there's still a ways to go and for all we know, Kucinich will end up getting the nomination.  :lol:
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2016, 05:12:15 PM »
Disappointing to see so many conservatives, or conservative allies, making so much of this. I guess it's true what they say about the GOP eating their own.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2016, 05:19:32 PM »
Disappointing to see so many conservatives, or conservative allies, making so much of this. I guess it's true what they say about the GOP eating their own.

Munchmunnomchompburp.  Pass the mustard, willya?
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2016, 06:02:52 PM »
Disappointing to see so many conservatives, or conservative allies, making so much of this. I guess it's true what they say about the GOP eating their own.

This is normal primary season business. Par for the course. People forget how hard McCain and Bush tore into each other back in 2000 I guess.

We're just paying so damn much more attention after 8 years of destruction under Obama is all.
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Re: Cruz Admits to Spreading Ben Carson Rumor
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2016, 06:04:52 PM »
This is normal primary season business. Par for the course. People forget how hard McCain and Bush tore into each other back in 2000 I guess.

We're just paying so damn much more attention after 8 years of destruction under Obama is all.


Actually, it's just that Cruz is the first worthwhile candidate I've seen in a while. I didn't really care what happened to the losers in the last few cycles.
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