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K Frame

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2005, 08:27:20 AM »
Well, I know that voodoo doll won't be an effective representation of me, so your magic has no power.

It's not fat enough, it has too much hair, and it's not well enough hung.
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2005, 08:36:05 AM »
Remeber that, taditionally, enemies of the United States were not afforded constitutional protections.  It would be absurd to try to grant due process rights to an enemy onthe battlefield, and until recently we've had the sense not to try.

Remeber further that Article III deals with treason (which is essentially when an American attacks the U.S.).  Congress has power to decide how treason is punished.  It is fully constitutional and proper for treason to be punished differently than ordinary crime.

Bona fide terrorists are enemies of the U.S.  They fall into one of the two catagories above, depending on their citizenship.  In either case is it innapropriate for them to receive the same rights we want honest men to receive.

So long as the P.A. is applied exclusively to bona fide terorists, there are no constitutional or moral problems.  Again, the only real problem is that there are no assurances that only terorists will receive this treatment.

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2005, 08:40:36 AM »
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the only real problem is that there are no assurances that only terorists will receive this treatment
Exactly.  And once they're labled as terrorists, they don't have much in the way of rights.  All it takes is the govt SAYING you're a terrorist and, bingo, you  are one.  No rights, no trial, nothing.

They're still holding Padilla...

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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2005, 09:03:52 AM »
Secret courts, warrantless searches, indefinite incarceration without benefit of trial or an attorney...

Anyone have a copy of the Constitution?

I need to wipe my ass, since that's apparently all that it's good for in the "newer, better, safer, United States of America."
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2005, 09:17:41 AM »
Wanna know what's funny?  We arrested, tried, and convicted Noriega.  He sits in an American jail right now.  Why did he get his due process rights under our Constitution (as a non-citizen) while people like Padilla, an American citizen, do not?

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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2005, 09:30:40 AM »
Is it just me, or does anyone else hear the Horst Wessel song?
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2005, 12:09:23 PM »
"Do me, do me!

Erm, that could easily be taken out of context."

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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2005, 03:59:40 PM »
I can see why Oleg started this joint.

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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2005, 09:23:22 PM »
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I was thinking the same thing myself too. I think I need a Mike Irwin voodoo doll.
Yeah, but I meant it as a compliment.
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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2005, 07:10:32 AM »
Hey Justin,

Mind if I hijack that description of me for my signature here and on TFL?

I love it!
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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2005, 09:36:41 AM »
Mike, be my guest.  Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2005, 10:04:49 AM »
Justin,

Thanks. Dang, I can't use it here. Even with editing to shorten it, signatures can only be 100 characters. If I edit it back to 100 characters...

Sigh.
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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2005, 01:02:48 PM »
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I want my impression, dammit.
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Hey, you asked.

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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2005, 01:33:07 PM »
Blackburn, I can't just do it on command.  Much as I'd like to.  Smiley
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