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National Service Bill
« on: April 23, 2009, 09:49:39 PM »
So what's the National Service Bill all about, besides burning money?
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Re: National Service Bill
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 10:09:04 PM »
The Yahoo articles and such I have seen on it only mention voluntary service and throwing money at said voluntary service.

(NOT that I trust these articles to tell the whole truth, of course)
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Re: National Service Bill
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 10:40:16 PM »
New law to 'manage' 8 million 'volunteers'
Obama signs huge expansion of youth brigades legislation

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President Obama today signed into law the "GIVE Act," H.R. 1388, which massively expands the National Service Corporation and allocates to it billions of dollars, and one executive for the program now says it will allow for the "managing" of up to 8 or 9 million people.

WND has reported on plans to create the corps since Obama told a campaign stop in Colorado Springs last year he wants a "Civilian National Security Force" as big and as well-funded as the U.S. military.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95674

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Re: National Service Bill
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 11:12:34 PM »
This is what it sounds like to me.

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One of Hitler and his buddies' first acts on taking office was to establish the Reich Ministry of Education and give it control of all schools, including private schools. Nobody was to have the right to teach children from a different point of view than the State (with a capital "S"). There would be no right to teach from a distinctively religious point of view, especially. As Hitler said on May 1, 1937,

"The Youth of today is ever the people of tomorrow. For this reason we have set before ourselves the task of innoculating our youth with the spirit of this community of the people at a very early age, at an age when human beings are still unperverted and therefore unspoiled. This Reich stands, and it is building itself up for the future, upon its youth. And this new Reich will give its youth to no one, but will itself take youth and give to youth its own education and its own upbringing."

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Re: National Service Bill
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 08:12:54 AM »
The number of school systems that require volunteer activity in order to qualify for a diploma is already too great.  Adding monetary incentive to the mix, and continuing that required volunteer activity beyond the high school level is just too statist for my mind.

The great problem I see in requiring youth to participate in government-sponsored volunteer activity is that the government gets to decide which activities to sponsor.

The Peace Corps, as an example, was relatively benign as it was in fact a voluntary activity even though the relatively benign government of the time chose which activities you could participate in, and IIRC there were no extremely rigid rules about what sorts of peace and culture you could bring to 3rd-world nations along with generators and water pumps.

I am highly distrustful of the current administration's motives, based on the activities to date.  I see no reason not to believe that the mandatory volunteer programs will be focused more on prostelytizing the current administration's socialist bent than on actually delivering any service.  Further, I have not seen - perhaps because it does not and may never exist - any plan to address the woes of the underclasses except to throw money at those who can build an infrastructure for accepting said thrown money.

To my mind, the most effective program for turning arould the plight of the underclass was Hurricane Katrina.  Hundreds of thousands of folks were removed from economic and emotional blight to a place where actual opportunity existed.  Some few thousands took advantage of those opportunities and seem to have actually prospered over time without continuing government assistance.  A large portion of those who not only refused to take advantage of the newly-existing opportunities but continued to prey on society have been removed from said society and are being kept from continuing to rip it apart.  Only because Cat5 hurricanes are difficult to conjur up on demand, the current economy is dropping further into the tank, and there is just so much Texas to go around, I will not support new Katrinas over settlement house-style programs as the most effective/efficient get-out-of-poverty-caused-by-lack-of knowledge/skills program devised.

The activities suggested for funding under the G.I.V.E. program are not those mentioned immediately above.  Nor are they completely voluntary.  Thus, I am more than a little leery of their purpose and possible product.

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Re: National Service Bill
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2009, 06:39:18 AM »
National Service Corporation

What's up with this name? I'm taking it this isn't an actual business, right? Please tell me El Presidente isn't giving billions to a priva...oh wait, that ships already sailed. :D
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