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AZRedhawk44

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Re: Obama seals Brian Terry murder case
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2011, 12:55:04 PM »
Do remember that Congress has little power that does not require the President to sign off or VETO. 


Up until it impeaches the POTUS and vice-POTUS, putting the Speaker into the POTUS position.

But I do see your point.  And the above is extraordinarily unlikely to happen.
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Re: Obama seals Brian Terry murder case
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2011, 01:05:58 PM »
Up until it impeaches the POTUS and vice-POTUS, putting the Speaker into the POTUS position.

But I do see your point.  And the above is extraordinarily unlikely to happen.
At which point the Speaker will no longer be a Congressman and will have separate interests. 

Also, you are assuming that Congress would act as a unified body which they very rarely do.  It requires a lot of Congressional support to actually impeach a President. 
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Re: Obama seals Brian Terry murder case
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2011, 06:20:01 PM »
What can stop the President from appointing two more judges?

Four more judges?

Sixteen more judges?

That would be the congress. 

And even if he dominates the legislative branch, the president still can't guarantee results in the supreme court.  The chief justice has a great amount of influence over who does what work, and how the court decides cases.
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Re: Obama seals Brian Terry murder case
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2011, 09:42:59 AM »
Do remember that Congress has little power that does not require the President to sign off or VETO.

But note, the constitution requires EITHER sign OR veto, nothing else.  Since congress can override a veto, this also makes the executive subordinate to the legislature.

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Re: Obama seals Brian Terry murder case
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2011, 10:10:53 AM »
But note, the constitution requires EITHER sign OR veto, nothing else.  Since congress can override a veto, this also makes the executive subordinate to the legislature.
But that only works in any sense of actual reality if Congress in united. 
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Re: Obama seals Brian Terry murder case
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2011, 09:39:54 PM »
The point rests: any one branch cannot really work  while completely ignoring the will of the other two. They need to cooperate to at least some extent.

Also, a lot of the finer points of the current constitutional balance rest not on the constitution, but on tradition and/or Congress-passed law which Congress may alter.
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