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Title: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: vaskidmark on November 20, 2010, 03:33:56 PM
http://www.realguns.com/articles/275.htm

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Shooting 500 grain gas checked cast bullets, .45 Colt accuracy was exceptional with groups consistently under an inch at three hundred yards. Fifty yard yammer jammers were easy to hit  :O but swinging bobcats at one hundred yards suggested just a touch of dominant eye cross parallax ventilation.  :facepalm:

Moving to the skeet range and 3" ¾ oz loads, flying vertical birdies were a snap, oscillating rollers were a challenge... which is almost always the case, but spinning flams is where the DT really shined  [ar15] where we were able to shoot a perfect 106¼. Trap shooting, however, had us hoping there was a pump action DT in S&W's future as Cheney shots are near impossible with an autoloader.

Do want!

stay safe.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: White Horseradish on November 20, 2010, 03:57:25 PM
All I got was this:

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Armed Polite Society restricts registrations and bans the use of @realguns.com email addresses for registration. The site also provides no contact email addresses to be used to resolve related problems. We restrict access to sites that do not welcome other firearm enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: 41magsnub on November 20, 2010, 03:57:35 PM
er...

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi238.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff299%2Ftrebligb%2Fhuh.jpg&hash=dbb4f149cb4242cbc8a24a77bac64ab924f1c160)
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 20, 2010, 04:00:32 PM
The link failed for some reason, said "APS restricts this domain blah blah" weird.
If you delete everything but the domain you go to the main site and then you can find it on the left menu under "free access".  First available link under free access.
Looks like a bunch of photo shop tom foolery to me.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on November 20, 2010, 04:12:49 PM
Is it bad that the first thing that made me think it was complete hogwash was the bit about it coming with smooth bore barrels and I'm thinking about the possible NFA violations that would result?
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Doggy Daddy on November 20, 2010, 04:13:45 PM
Looks like a bunch of photo shop tom foolery to me.

Good description.

You can also copy and paste the link into a new window or tab to get to the page.

DD
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 20, 2010, 04:21:00 PM

Who has hands big enough to wrap around that grip?

Like Jamis said: photoshop.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: cambeul41 on November 20, 2010, 04:32:48 PM
Country of origin = Grand Fenwick? (Google "The Mouse that Roared.")

Weight 116.2 ounces?

Sure!
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 20, 2010, 05:37:20 PM
Who has hands big enough to wrap around that grip?
Like Jamis said: photoshop.


A guy who doesn't have any trouble with the ladies....
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: freakazoid on November 20, 2010, 06:50:28 PM
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the bit about it coming with smooth bore barrels and I'm thinking about the possible NFA violations that would result?

Why would smooth bore barrels violate the NFA?  ???
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 20, 2010, 07:25:53 PM
Why would smooth bore barrels violate the NFA?  ???

SBS.  

A smoothbore cannot be less than 18" with an oal of 26".  Rifled barrels can be 16". 

The judge gets around this by having a rifled barrel.

Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: BReilley on November 20, 2010, 07:34:36 PM
Read the article.  Company name of Smith & Weston.  Note the quotations from the head of Sales & Markup.  The pictured hammer has two spurs.  Etc.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: French G. on November 20, 2010, 07:43:07 PM
It is nice to see a website that stupid that doesn't like APS, keeps the cross-pollination of stupid down.

On a serious note I have long had two ideas for a pistol shotgun that I'd like to turn out when I have the NFA paperwork and am a little farther down my gunsmithing and metalworking path. One would be a 1911'ish autoloader, I think 28ga could be made to work. The other would be a conversion top, single shot, maybe 20 or 16ga. Use the 1911 frame and fire control, maybe a break action with the pivot out just past the end of the dust cover. Why? Stupidest question ever. Because it is there.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on November 20, 2010, 07:56:02 PM
are we sure its not actually joke? although, why someone would put in so much effort and its really not that funny... meh...
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on November 20, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
Looked up the guy who runs the site.
http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/forum/19384/Who-is-Joe-D-Alessandro-josephd-austin-rr-com-512-255-1878-from-a-company-called-Realguns-com-/Let-s-Talk-Texas-Outdoors-Back-at-Camp
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: 220_SWIFT on November 20, 2010, 08:22:32 PM
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Shooting 500 grain gas checked cast bullets, .45 Colt accuracy was exceptional with groups consistently under an inch at three hundred yards.


Oh yeah, total BS.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on November 20, 2010, 08:29:13 PM
Looked up the guy who runs the site.
http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/forum/19384/Who-is-Joe-D-Alessandro-josephd-austin-rr-com-512-255-1878-from-a-company-called-Realguns-com-/Let-s-Talk-Texas-Outdoors-Back-at-Camp


i was gonna say something really mean. i thought better of it. so i will rephrase... i certainly know some people that most likely would fit in real good over at realguns, and i will make sure to send them that way and never mention APS to them...  :angel:
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: freakazoid on November 20, 2010, 08:36:42 PM
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SBS. 

A smoothbore cannot be less than 18" with an oal of 26".  Rifled barrels can be 16".

The judge gets around this by having a rifled barrel.

But it wouldn't be a shotgun, it would be a pistol. Just like a rifled barrel can't be shorter than 16", unless it's made as a pistol. Of course we are talking about gun laws which are known for not making sense to begin with.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 20, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
But it wouldn't be a shotgun, it would be a pistol. Just like a rifled barrel can't be shorter than 16", unless it's made as a pistol. Of course we are talking about gun laws which are known for not making sense to begin with.  :facepalm:

When you put a pistol grip on a shotgun, it still can't have a BBL under 18".
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: seeker_two on November 20, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
are we sure its not actually joke? although, why someone would put in so much effort and its really not that funny... meh...

The same could be said about fistful's posts.....




Better???
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: stevelyn on November 21, 2010, 12:23:32 AM
Haha............ That photochopped barrel bushing is a mechanical enigma.


I wonder if the Brady/VPC pukes would take the bait and run with it?  >:D
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: French G. on November 21, 2010, 01:49:27 AM
Well some years back an enterprising fellow printed out the flyer for Birdman's HomeBoy Nytesites and posted them around Richmond, VA. City council went kind of apoplectic that the gun industry was so blatantly marketing to the urban yoot.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on November 21, 2010, 02:55:16 PM
But it wouldn't be a shotgun, it would be a pistol. Just like a rifled barrel can't be shorter than 16", unless it's made as a pistol. Of course we are talking about gun laws which are known for not making sense to begin with.  :facepalm:

Basically there is no such thing as a shotgun pistol. Either it has a rifled barrel and is a pistol or it's smoothbore and a really small SBS.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: GigaBuist on November 21, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
Basically there is no such thing as a shotgun pistol. Either it has a rifled barrel and is a pistol or it's smoothbore and a really small SBS.

Not quite.

If it's ever been a shotgun (SBS or regular) it's always an SBS even if it's in a pistol-ish configuration.

If it wasn't ever papered as a shotgun (again, SBS or regular) and it's in a pistol-ish configuration it's an AOW.  Example: The Serbu Super Shorty  http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: Pb on November 21, 2010, 06:30:27 PM
A smooth bore "pistol" is an Any Other Weapons (AOW) not a short barrelled shotgun.  They are nfa guns, and transfer with a $5 tax.  The Serbu Super Shorty is a good example of an AOW, as a Gigabust said.
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: sanglant on November 21, 2010, 09:33:58 PM
hmm, .50cal pistol(32GA?) with a 4 inch chamber micro grove rifling(1 in 72" or so >:D) and custom shot shells. hmm, that might just be fun. :laugh:
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: 280plus on November 21, 2010, 09:34:34 PM
Ok, who wants to be the first to touch off both barrels at once?

Smith and WESTON?? 1" group at 300 yds? Hmmm, I get the feeling someone is yanking my yodel...

  :laugh:
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: TechMan on November 21, 2010, 09:45:03 PM
Good yanking of the chain.
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The DT is the first member of a family of products to be built on S&W's new large Y series autoloader frame. When asked about the "Y" designation, Patrician Pedelunker, S&W's VP of Product Names and Employee Parking Space Assignments told us, "We were eighteen hours into a marathon frame naming session. Several people had fallen asleep, one guy confessed to stealing Post-Its and we discovered a recent hire to the marketing department could speak only French... which probably explains why she kept blurting out "Où sont les toilettes?". We finally elected to name the frame based on the question everyone asked the moment they saw the prototype".
Title: Re: Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
Post by: seeker_two on November 21, 2010, 10:48:55 PM
hmm, .50cal pistol(32GA?) with a 4 inch chamber micro grove rifling(1 in 72" or so >:D) and custom shot shells. hmm, that might just be fun. :laugh:

Not a new concept....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_gun)

Trick shooters used Paradox rifiling and shotshells to shoot glass balls in the air....I'd love to have one of those Paradox six-shooters.....