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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2013, 04:19:00 PM »
It's ironic that I'm now nauseous and bemused after I was compelled to peruse the enormity of that terrific travesy.

But this conversate is redundant.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 04:25:43 PM »
I don't know what grammer nazi's have to do with it. This is vocabulary.

How do I know this? Because I actually knew most of those. Conversate (didn't even know that was a word. Oh wait! It's not!) nausous and enormity I would have been wrong.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 06:41:13 PM »
Knew all of those except 3, 9, and 10. How is nonplussed not on that list? 'Tis a travesty, I say!
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 07:29:02 PM »
Except that English, like the Constitution, is a living thing that changes and evolves over time.

One of those is correct.  The other is a terrific nauseous travesty.

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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2013, 07:40:59 PM »
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2013, 08:48:12 PM »
Except that English, like the Constitution, is a living thing that changes and evolves over time.

One of those is correct.  The other is a terrific nauseous travesty.

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Words come and go.  Grammar and the language does not, or should not, change. Unchecked change in our language will soon result in IM shortcuts being the standard for language.  As more and more parents emulate their babies and excuse it as "well, the baby wanted to say it that way," we'll all soon be speaking baby talk.

As the language changes, soon no one will understand the meaning of the words in the Constitution - and you were, I hope, being facetious when you said it was a living document?
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2013, 09:57:12 PM »
Words come and go.  Grammar and the language does not, or should not, change. Unchecked change in our language will soon result in IM shortcuts being the standard for language.  As more and more parents emulate their babies and excuse it as "well, the baby wanted to say it that way," we'll all soon be speaking baby talk.

As the language changes, soon no one will understand the meaning of the words in the Constitution - and you were, I hope, being facetious when you said it was a living document?

I wonder what Chaucer would think of modern english as it currently stands.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2013, 09:59:09 PM »
As the language changes, soon no one will understand the meaning of the words in the Constitution - and you were, I hope, being facetious when you said it was a living document?

It rather appears that there is no one in the .gov even today who understands the Constitution.

As to the vocabulary link, I knew nine out of the nine. And I knew that "conversate" isn't a word (yet -shudder). Reminds me of one of my grandfather's pet peeves: "irregardless" (which is also not a word -- yet).
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2013, 10:02:21 PM »
http://hellogiggles.com/10-words-that-youve-probably-been-misusing



If you-all don't think words in English change meaning over time, you-all needs to read more King James Bible.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2013, 10:06:24 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Tfbeqyu2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here's a starting point for all you irrate language purists.

Let's face it. The English langage basically goes out and rapes other languages, steals all the good stuff and bastardises everything its got.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2013, 11:27:09 PM »
I wonder what Chaucer would think of modern english as it currently stands.

Had to read his Canterbury Tales in the original middle english in a college class.

I never could quite get a grip on how that language was supposed to sound ...
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2013, 01:36:29 AM »
Words come and go.  Grammar and the language does not, or should not, change. Unchecked change in our language will soon result in IM shortcuts being the standard for language.  As more and more parents emulate their babies and excuse it as "well, the baby wanted to say it that way," we'll all soon be speaking baby talk.

As the language changes, soon no one will understand the meaning of the words in the Constitution - and you were, I hope, being facetious when you said it was a living document?

"Facetious" is not nearly the most appropriate word, but rather than debate semantics we will agree that the fit is good enough.

Grammar changes over time, just as the words do.  Unless you are The French, who seem more than willing to sweep back the tide.

Else how to you account for the change from "a couple of" to "a couple" - as in "I have a couple of examples" vs. "I have a couple examples"?  Or from "going over to" into "going over" - as in "I am going over to Levant's house" as opposed to "I am going over Levant's house"?  (The first time I heard that construction I actually stopped the speaker and asked how and when they had mastered levetation (as opposed to "levitation", which I have recently read in a supposedly professional journal article discussing the use of humor in public speaking :facepalm:).  Or my current nails-on-chalkboard construction - "in connection to" instead of "in connection with" (the police are reviewing security video in connection to the recent ___ ).

These are not mere vocabulary changes, but structural changes in the language - the grammar.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar

Every generation, from Ug and Oog to the present day, has caused their elders to bemoan the decline of language and thus the very fabric of civilization as we know it.  Yaska (see Wiki reference above) seems to have been the first to set the grammar in stone.  We all know how that turned out, don't we?

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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2013, 08:35:23 AM »
I knew them all...

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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2013, 08:50:02 AM »
After reading that, I have to say, I'm in awe at the enormity of Obama's actions . . . what a TERRIFIC President . . .

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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2013, 10:37:42 AM »
I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, but I will allow for the fact that word usage changes over time.  If enough people use terrific to mean great then eventually that becomes an acceptable usage of the word.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2013, 10:56:47 AM »
I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, but I will allow for the fact that word usage changes over time.  If enough people use terrific to mean great then eventually that becomes an acceptable usage of the word.

^^^ This.  Language is just a medium of communication.  What words mean is defined by culture; there's nothing sacred about them.  Every word we use and how we use them was at one point defined arbitrarily by a person or group.

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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2013, 11:04:01 AM »
Did not know about number 3 or 10.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2013, 11:08:00 AM »
I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, but I will allow for the fact that word usage changes over time.  If enough people use terrific to mean great then eventually that becomes an acceptable usage of the word.

Even grammar usage will change over time.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2013, 11:13:21 AM »
Even grammar usage will change over time.


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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2013, 11:16:19 AM »
And rodger your blumpkins.

I should have noted that grammar rules tend to change a LOT more slowly than word usage.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2013, 04:41:54 PM »
I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, but I will allow for the fact that word usage changes over time.  If enough people use terrific to mean great then eventually that becomes an acceptable usage of the word.

I think "terrific" as meaning "great" falls under the same rule as "cool" as meaning "great". It's an alteration that decends from slang useage.
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Re: ACHTUNG, Grammar Nazis.
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2013, 09:08:14 PM »
I think "terrific" as meaning "great" falls under the same rule as "cool" as meaning "great". It's an alteration that decends from slang useage.

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2013, 10:59:02 PM »
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