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The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« on: October 27, 2008, 04:50:23 PM »
These folks are not optimistic.  They think recent gov't actions have doomed us to a decade+ of economic stagnation.

What a mess.


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The Age of Prosperity Is Over
This administration and Congress will be remembered like Herbert Hoover.

By ARTHUR B. LAFFER


About a year ago Stephen Moore, Peter Tanous and I set about writing a book about our vision for the future entitled "The End of Prosperity." Little did we know then how appropriate its release would be earlier this month.

Financial panics, if left alone, rarely cause much damage to the real economy, output, employment or production. Asset values fall sharply and wipe out those who borrowed and lent too much, thereby redistributing wealth from the foolish to the prudent. This process is the topic of Nassim Nicholas Taleb's book "Fooled by Randomness."
[Commentary] David Gothard

When markets are free, asset values are supposed to go up and down, and competition opens up opportunities for profits and losses. Profits and stock appreciation are not rights, but rewards for insight mixed with a willingness to take risk. People who buy homes and the banks who give them mortgages are no different, in principle, than investors in the stock market, commodity speculators or shop owners. Good decisions should be rewarded and bad decisions should be punished. The market does just that with its profits and losses.

No one likes to see people lose their homes when housing prices fall and they can't afford to pay their mortgages; nor does any one of us enjoy watching banks go belly-up for making subprime loans without enough equity. But the taxpayers had nothing to do with either side of the mortgage transaction. If the house's value had appreciated, believe you me the overleveraged homeowner and the overly aggressive bank would never have shared their gain with taxpayers. Housing price declines and their consequences are signals to the market to stop building so many houses, pure and simple.

But here's the rub. Now enter the government and the prospects of a kinder and gentler economy. To alleviate the obvious hardships to both homeowners and banks, the government commits to buy mortgages and inject capital into banks, which on the face of it seems like a very nice thing to do. But unfortunately in this world there is no tooth fairy. And the government doesn't create anything; it just redistributes. Whenever the government bails someone out of trouble, they always put someone into trouble, plus of course a toll for the troll. Every $100 billion in bailout requires at least $130 billion in taxes, where the $30 billion extra is the cost of getting government involved.

If you don't believe me, just watch how Congress and Barney Frank run the banks. If you thought they did a bad job running the post office, Amtrak, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the military, just wait till you see what they'll do with Wall Street.

Some 14 months ago, the projected deficit for the 2008 fiscal year was about 0.6% of GDP. With the $170 billion stimulus package last March, the add-ons to housing and agriculture bills, and the slowdown in tax receipts, the deficit for 2008 actually came in at 3.2% of GDP, with the 2009 deficit projected at 3.8% of GDP. And this is just the beginning.

The net national debt in 2001 was at a 20-year low of about 35% of GDP, and today it stands at 50% of GDP. But this 50% number makes no allowance for anything resulting from the over $5.2 trillion guarantee of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac assets, or the $700 billion Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP). Nor does the 50% number include any of the asset swaps done by the Federal Reserve when they bailed out Bear Stearns, AIG and others.

But the government isn't finished. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid -- and yes, even Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke -- are preparing for a new $300 billion stimulus package in the next Congress. Each of these actions separately increases the tax burden on the economy and does nothing to encourage economic growth. Giving more money to people when they fail and taking more money away from people when they work doesn't increase work. And the stock market knows it.

The stock market is forward looking, reflecting the current value of future expected after-tax profits. An improving economy carries with it the prospects of enhanced profitability as well as higher employment, higher wages, more productivity and more output. Just look at the era beginning with President Reagan's tax cuts, Paul Volcker's sound money, and all the other pro-growth, supply-side policies.

Bill Clinton and Alan Greenspan added their efforts to strengthen what had begun under President Reagan. President Clinton signed into law welfare reform, so people actually have to look for a job before being eligible for welfare. He ended the "retirement test" for Social Security benefits (a huge tax cut for elderly workers), pushed the North American Free Trade Agreement through Congress against his union supporters and many of his own party members, signed the largest capital gains tax cut ever (which exempted owner-occupied homes from capital gains taxes), and finally reduced government spending as a share of GDP by an amazing three percentage points (more than the next four best presidents combined). The stock market loved Mr. Clinton as it had loved Reagan, and for good reasons.

The stock market is obviously no fan of second-term George W. Bush, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ben Bernanke, Barack Obama or John McCain, and again for good reasons.

These issues aren't Republican or Democrat, left or right, liberal or conservative. They are simply economics, and wish as you might, bad economics will sink any economy no matter how much they believe this time things are different. They aren't.

I was on the White House staff as George Shultz's economist in the Office of Management and Budget when Richard Nixon imposed wage and price controls, the dollar was taken off gold, import surcharges were implemented, and other similar measures were enacted from a panicked decision made in August of 1971 at Camp David.

I witnessed, like everyone else, the consequences of another panicked decision to cover up the Watergate break-in. I saw up close and personal Presidents Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush succumb to panicked decisions to raise taxes, as well as Jimmy Carter's emergency energy plan, which included wellhead price controls, excess profits taxes on oil companies, and gasoline price controls at the pump.

The consequences of these actions were disastrous. Just look at the stock market from the post-Kennedy high in early 1966 to the pre-Reagan low in August of 1982. The average annual real return for U.S. assets compounded annually was -6% per year for 16 years. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a bear market. And it is something that you may well experience again. Yikes!

Then we have this administration's panicked Sarbanes-Oxley legislation, and of course the deer-in-the-headlights Mr. Bernanke in his bungling of monetary policy.

There are many more examples, but none hold a candle to what's happening right now. Twenty-five years down the line, what this administration and Congress have done will be viewed in much the same light as what Herbert Hoover did in the years 1929 through 1932. Whenever people make decisions when they are panicked, the consequences are rarely pretty. We are now witnessing the end of prosperity.

Mr. Laffer is chairman of Laffer Associates and co-author of "The End of Prosperity: How Higher Taxes Will Doom the Economy -- If We Let it Happen," just out by Threshold.
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2008, 05:24:29 PM »
There was an age of prosperity? 
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 05:27:01 PM »
There was an age of prosperity? 

Of course there was. Almost everything is climate-controlled now, there's always produce year-round rather than seasonal, most people drive late-model vehicles with comfort and safety, and live in structurally sound buildings.

That's extremely prosperous, especially compared to the rest of the world.

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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 05:28:06 PM »
I was making a sarcastic comment about my own, not-so-prosperous situation. 
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 05:33:54 PM »
I was making a sarcastic comment about my own, not-so-prosperous situation. 

Anytime you don't feel prosperous, read something like The Grapes of Wrath.

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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 05:40:01 PM »
I hear what you're sayin'.  Indeed, reading GoW when I was 16 was one of the most formative experiences of my life.  Notwithstanding that I've always been a Christian conservative teleologist.  ;)

Wait, that would make Steinbeck responsible for fistful.  So Steinbeck is the Ultra Scapegoat!   :O   I fear there will be book-burnings. 
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2008, 06:49:47 PM »
 :rolleyes:

It's ALWAYS the end of anything and everything. I can't even tell you how many times I heard it was the END OF THE UNITED STATES AS A DOMINANT POWER IN THE WORLD! (economic, military, social, etc.) during the 1970s...

The Soviets, don't you know, were better than us and were finally going to hang us with the rope that we bought from Kruschev.

Some were saying the same thing in the 1930s and through into the early 1940s. America, as an industrial power, was finished, and the Nazis? Well, they're supermen and they're better than us so we'd all better learn that EVERYTHING positive in society from now on is going to come from the Fatherland.

Funny thing about it, though, is that societies have an amazing ability to reinvent themselves, our society even more so than others.

So. Premise of thesis? Interesting.

Basis of thesis? Chicken little bullshit.
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 07:45:15 PM »
Mike, that was awesome. 

I heard something similar on Beck today. About how the press was in the tank for Musilini way back too. 

Why is it, the bastards in the press are pretty much ALWAYS against the country??

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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2008, 08:03:59 PM »
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The Age of Prosperity Is Over
Perhaps he's just referring to CEOs (who run companies into the ground) or financial analysts (who buy manure and sell it to investors as gold) no longer being able to buy 20 million dollar second homes after a few years on the job.

Oh wait a minute, silly me....this doesn't affect them.

Regardless, we'll get by.  It's all global and relative.

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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2008, 09:38:08 PM »
You guys did see who wrote this article, right?

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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2008, 09:41:08 PM »
I'm not as old as Mike "Get off my lawn you darn kids!" Irwin but I've seen the pattern repeat itself. The 80's were about how Japan was going to rule the world and we were yesterday's news. Now China and the EU can barely start getting propped up as the next big thing before they fall flat.

We'll survive. The stock market won't be near as fun to play in for a long time now that all the easy credit and shady financial instruments are pumping wads of cash in.
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2008, 11:26:34 PM »
I was all set to ridicule this article as yet more chicken little stupidity.  But then I saw the author, and I figured he'd be worth reading.  Well, it turns out that he has a good point. 

Bad, panicked economic decisions have nasty long term consequences.  We've seen this time and again throughout history.  This time is no different.  The bad, panicked economic decisions they're making right now will have nasty long term consequences.

"The end of prosperity" may be a bit alarmist, but the meat of the article is good and sensible.  It's well worth reading.

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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 01:15:36 AM »
You guys did see who wrote this article, right?

Yes.

One of Ronald Reagan's top economic advisors.

So?
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 11:22:22 AM »
:rolleyes:

It's ALWAYS the end of anything and everything. ...


The Great Depression was just a nasty rumor spread by a bunch of people who were out of work and didn't have anything better to do  :laugh:
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 12:22:43 PM »
Anytime you don't feel prosperous, read something like The Grapes of Wrath.

And then contemplate that theater productions based on the book were banned in the USSR during Stalin's era because the conditions described in it where *unimaginable wealth* to the ordinary Soviet citizen.
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Re: The Age of Prosperity Is Over
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 01:14:23 PM »
And then contemplate that theater productions based on the book were banned in the USSR during Stalin's era because the conditions described in it where *unimaginable wealth* to the ordinary Soviet citizen.

That's so delicious I had to look it up. The movie was, indeed, banned by Stalin because it showed that even the poorest of Americans could afford a car...
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 01:17:04 PM »
 =D =D =D =D

That's the funniest thing I've heard this week!  Aside from the laughable lies coming from the Democratic Pres. ticket.

Where can I find this information?
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2008, 01:28:16 PM »
As I only had a few seconds to search over my lunch hour, I found it at IMDB under "Interesting Trivia."

Might be worthwhile to see if we can find more somewhere else...
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 01:42:38 PM »
Grapes of Wrath is truly a wonderful movie. One of my all-time favorites.

Henry Fonda, communist sympathizer (sp?) that he was, was a fantastic actor.
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2008, 02:12:06 PM »
=D =D =D =D

That's the funniest thing I've heard this week!  Aside from the laughable lies coming from the Democratic Pres. ticket.

Where can I find this information?

They don't teach this in schools? I'm yet again so happy to have been home-schooled.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 05:17:33 PM »
Grapes of Wrath is truly a wonderful movie. One of my all-time favorites.

Henry Fonda, communist sympathizer (sp?) that he was, was a fantastic actor.


Grapes of Wrath is not exactly a capitalist tract.

And Steinbeck was not exactly Joe McCarthy.  Have you read his Russian Journal
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