Author Topic: Gallup: Almost half of America sees Government as an Immediate Threat to Liberty  (Read 17892 times)

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It's the other half that is worrying - the half that doesn't see .gov as a threat to liberty.
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It's the other half that is worrying - the half that doesn't see .gov as a threat to liberty.

I winder how that half corresponds to the roughly half that pay no federal income tax?
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As far as governability goes it's a critical mass.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/149678/Americans-Express-Historic-Negativity-Toward-Government.aspx

Awesome.  We're waking up, at least.

I just posted that link on my FB page.  My thinking is that there are more than 49%, but they're leery about admitting it.  Perhaps if they see that they're not alone...

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What it adds up to is that "The System" has run its course.  That doesn't mean our Founding principles, it means perpetual Congressional fiefdoms, lobbyists buying and selling power, obscene cronyism, psychopathic proligacy in spending--all of this is OVER.  It's just a matter of time before this becomes painfully obvious.  We've used the term "gridlock" for a long time; what we have is a seized-up engine that needs re-building or replacement, one hopes in accord with the basic tenets of two centuries ago.
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It's because we feel so threatened by a black president.
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Yes, Freud predicted all this long ago--that it? =D
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As a member of the White Straight Christian Male Microsoft-using Right-Handed Patriarchy, it disturbs me that anyone not exactly like me, with my bourgeois values, would have power. Also, I want secretaries to pay higher taxes than me, until they die from a lack of health insurance.
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I was with you until you got to Microsoft.
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It's the other half that is worrying - the half that doesn't see .gov as a threat to liberty.

That would be the 47% that doesn't pay income taxes.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/149678/Americans-Express-Historic-Negativity-Toward-Government.aspx

Awesome.  We're waking up, at least.

If the Fed were a car, it would be an Edsel.

A plane, the Spruce Goose

A high tech lighter, a book of matches.

Sarsaparilla, New Coke

Entertainment, Microsoft Web TV

Fast Food, the Arch Deluxe

Video, Sony Betamax

Glad to see others are waking up to these Federal idiots.





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I was with you until you got to Microsoft.

You are the other, and must be oppressed.
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Video, Sony Betamax


Comparison fail.  The Beta was better than VHS.  I blame Disney for sabotaging Beta.

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If we're nit-picking, then govt is the Big Mac on the fast food menu. Tastes like crap and money is wasted on bread, but PEOPLE KEEP BUYING IT!
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Comparison fail.  The Beta was better than VHS.  I blame Disney for sabotaging Beta.

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DD actually blame the porn industry and Sony's own closed mindedness.

http://www.macworld.com/article/50627/2006/05/pornhd.html
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No Beta porn didn't help, but the main reason VHS won was that Beta tapes started out as one hour, not long enough for movie rentals.
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almost half sees DaGubmint as a threat.
but almost no one is willing to do anything about it.
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DD actually blame the porn industry and Sony's own closed mindedness.

http://www.macworld.com/article/50627/2006/05/pornhd.html

Or the lawsuit against Sony by Hollywood (chiefly Disney) that wound up giving VHS an 8 year head start.
http://www.r-vcr.com/betamax.htm
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Sony came to market expecting to battle shoddy TV sets, but not the US Supreme Court. This effort took precious time and money out of its marketing plan. Sony eventually was completely vindicated but winning this battle meant that it would lose the war. VHS waited a year to come out in 1976 and was not named in the litigation. (However obviously the film studios could apply any ruling against Betamax to other systems as well.) This gave VHS a protected environment to be nurtured without having to face the full fury of both Sony and Hollywood.

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almost half sees DaGubmint as a threat.
but almost no one is willing to do anything about it.

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almost half sees DaGubmint as a threat.
but almost no one is willing to do anything about it.

Uhm.   Gee, because not much that can be done, honestly. 

Let me put this first.  I served in the military, have been involved in politics, have done lobbying, have donated funds to groups, have volunteered at groups, have protested, etc.  Admittedly, never did or wanted to do any violent sort of political activity like the anarchist twits that burn something whenever the WIPO or G8 meet, and I don't want to. 

Having done all the stuff you can legally do to make a positive change in government, I came to a sharp realization.  Except to feel good, it's only temporary gains.  You might make headway in one area, but you'll lose it in a dozen other areas.  For every one dollar you can use to buy a politician or bureaucrat, the government has thousands of dollars it can use to bribe itself.

The government is rigged to only allow two parties.  It's nowhere in the Constitution, but that's only sometimes respected anyways.  Throw out one party, you'll get the other one which is just as bad when it's in power.  Good luck getting good candidates, because those are also largely controlled by the parties.  Good luck "working within the system" to reform either party.  It's not a 100% system.  Sure, you can get a Ron Paul or some other wild card not endorsed by their party.  But the point is that the system does not have to be 100%.  Just being even 98% effective means for 50 to 1 odds against the wildcards.  Most of those wildcards get absorbed anyways into corruption, crony capitalism and all the other perks of the job. 

You play by rules stacked against you, don't be surprised when you lose.  Each and every time.  You need to change the rules of the game.  Try to do so with elections and you'll lose.  Try to do so with money, and you'll have ten times as much extorted as you volunteer in bribes/lobbying.  Try to do so with nonviolent protest, and you'll be ignored.  Try to do so with violence, and you'll be curb stomped by police, military, intel folks, etc.  Try to do so with a civil war and you'll be considered (correctly) as a nut.  Even if you were not considered a nut and were successful, you'd be looking at massive piles of bodies.

Ain't worth it.  Just get yourself in the best position possible, build up a good network of folks, and let the situation go as it will.  Try to make a positive change, so that you can sleep at night if nothing else.  But don't be too hard on yourself when you make one mild step forward with freedom, and get kicked a dozen steps back. 

Go ahead and call me a defeatist.  I'm just not dumb enough to throw money, time and resources down a hole unless I'm getting something out of it.  The returns on investment suck, frankly.  Exactly how much money has the 2nd Amendment folks dumped in bribes, propaganda, et al over the last two decades or more?  We got the Supreme Court to admit that the right exists, and we made otherwise modest returns at the federal level.  In exchange for billions of dollars and tens/hundreds of thousands of man-hours.  Plus we LOST numerous other rights at the same time we made modest gains.  That's sorta the point.  We get X dollars taken from us by law, we give up Y dollars to use legalized corruption to not get completely hosed, and we're rewarded with small gains in compensation for major losses.  The entire point is to benefit the political folks.  They created a system where their side automatically wins, nearly every time. 



Disclaimer:  State level is another completely different conversation, I'm just talking federal level.  Sometimes at the state and local level, properly utilized resources can still make an impact.  Due to apathy, more than anything else. 
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Could explain why Ron Paul is rising in the polls while establishment candidate Romney, Perry,Gingrich, Huntsman, et al are cratering.  Two nights ago I saw a CNN reports that said Paul was "exploding".
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No Beta porn didn't help, but the main reason VHS won was that Beta tapes started out as one hour, not long enough for movie rentals.
The longest Beta tapes, IIRC, were L-830, about five hours in the Beta III mode.  VHS could go eight hours with a T-160.
Originally Betamax was a better, higher quality system.  It was more durable as the tape path had fewer "jinks" in it.  Sony came out with a audio Hi-Fi Beta system which was great (I had one) and considered that VHS couldn't do it, because there wasn't room on the tape for audio tracks.
Uh, not so fast.  Sony was right, there wasn't room -- to do it the same way Betamax had.
VHS decided to multiplex the hi-fi over the video.  That and HQ pretty much brought VHS up to near Betamax quality.
And, Sony rested on it's laurels.
So the VHS format, capable of eight hours of pretty decent quality Hi-Fi recording, won out.
And I wound up duping every Beta tape I had over to VHS. 
And it continues; now I'm making DVDs of the VHS tapes. :facepalm: ;/

The jackwagon that develops the next video recording format is going to be my personal archenemy. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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TG: The nice thing about the last 3 dominant media formats is that each player-platform is backwards compatible with old format media.

Blu-Ray players will play DVD's and audio CD's.
DVD players will play audio CD's.



However, the winning-est way to deal with media anymore is to rip all your media, sans DRM, to a NAS in your home and have them play on your home theater with the help of a computer-type device that can access them.

That "should" be forever compatible for the foreseeable future.  The "good guys" seem to break DRM quickly enough each time a new methodology comes out for this to remain a viable technique.
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