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Title: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Ben on September 27, 2017, 08:46:16 PM
Though, given the information provided and the video, I'm not sure Southwest needs to apologize to her. I'm not sure, but I think near the end I heard her use the, "I'm a professor!" line.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/36464130/video-woman-forcibly-removed-from-southwest-flight
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: 230RN on September 27, 2017, 09:18:15 PM
Yeah, it was either that or "I'm a professional."  "Professor" most likely.  I'm not sure why being a professor or not should make any difference if you're being a jerk.  But I've heard other self-righteousniks claim that, too, so there must be something to it.

I noticed how quickly "you tore my pants" changed to "you tore my pants off."  Judging by how tight ladies' pants are nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised if a little seam-relief occurred during vigorous activity like that.  And from what I can gather, a ripped back seam is getting to be a fashion statement, like worn knees.

Unless she just mistook a fart for a rapid sequence of thread-popping.

Terry, 230RN

REF:
https://imgur.com/gallery/CF4LUEp
 
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 27, 2017, 09:50:12 PM
It was "What are you doing? I'm a professor."

She's a professor who claims a life-threatening allergy to dogs, but has no documentation. She at one point demanded an EpiPen, which requires a prescription. And if she has a life-threatening allergy, I can't imagine that she'd be traveling without an EpiPen. My wife always carried one.

Basically, this appears to just be another spayshul snowflake.
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Post by: lupinus on September 27, 2017, 09:53:47 PM
Also, having such a life threatening allergy, one would think they'd have had to drag her ON the plane. Not off it.

Methinks special snowflake that didn't want to fly with a critter on board and got more than she bargained for when she wasn't catered to.

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Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Scout26 on September 28, 2017, 02:01:58 AM
She should have said she was a doctor.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: 230RN on September 28, 2017, 06:53:14 AM
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You can't do this to me !  I'm a Bachelor of Science ! Science, mind you !

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: K Frame on September 28, 2017, 07:39:50 AM
She apparently wanted the passengers with the dogs to be removed from the flight.

Which, as anyone who knows animals, knows that doesn't remove the "extra special allergens" that she claims will kill her deaddy dead ded.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Ben on September 28, 2017, 09:23:12 AM
I read this morning that she did in fact say "professor" and that she's a "professor" of some kind of ethno-socio something or other at a college of art. Funny how you rarely see a professor of engineering or physics pull that stuff. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the time I've heard someone name drop their title while in outrage mode, it's always been social-something.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Fly320s on September 28, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
She apparently wanted the passengers with the dogs to be removed from the flight.

Which, as anyone who knows animals, knows that doesn't remove the "extra special allergens" that she claims will kill her deaddy dead ded.

According to one article, one of the dogs was a service animal.  Those have priority.  As long as the dog is behaving, we will kick off people before kicking off the dog every time.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 28, 2017, 10:28:03 AM
Claiming a life-threatening allergy but having A) no documentation and B) no emergency medication? Nope. Making a scene just to make a scene. She got what she deserved.

Brad
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 28, 2017, 10:35:26 AM
Resist she much
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2017, 10:45:47 AM
HMMMMM.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/woman-dragged-off-southwest-flight-for-complaining-about-dog-allergy/


https://wsrp.hds.harvard.edu/people/anila-daulatzai

Title: Re: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: lupinus on September 28, 2017, 12:08:49 PM
According to one article, one of the dogs was a service animal.  Those have priority.  As long as the dog is behaving, we will kick off people before kicking off the dog every time.
I'd rather fly with a well behaved dog than most humans anyway

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Title: Re: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Triphammer on September 28, 2017, 01:40:21 PM
I'd rather fly with a well behaved dog than most humans anyway

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Fixed it for ME.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 28, 2017, 01:48:11 PM
I've never seen a dog on an airplane. Do they stick their heads out the windows?
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 28, 2017, 02:22:24 PM
I've never seen a dog on an airplane. Do they stick their heads out the windows?

No, that's the pilot.

Brad
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: TechMan on September 28, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
No, that's the pilot.

Brad

 :rofl:  I can some how see Fly320s doing that.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Fly320s on September 28, 2017, 02:44:18 PM
:rofl:  I can some how see Fly320s doing that.

Guilty.  The A320 cockpit windows do open, and I have stuck my head out, but not while moving.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Scout26 on September 28, 2017, 02:44:59 PM
See this is what Doctor *expletive deleted*bag started with his "I'm a special snowflake, you can't enforce your rules on me." BS.

And how many here backed him up ??  What changed here ??  Is it because it involved dogs and not humans ??   All she had to do was say "Fine, I'll fly with the dogs."  But she refused to fly with the dogs on-board (my guess is because she's a Muslim).

I knew that once Dr. *expletive deleted*bag was met with sympathy, every other "I'm a Special Snowflake" would be acting the same as him.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: zxcvbob on September 28, 2017, 03:16:35 PM
I just wonder if they were real service dogs, or fake "emotional support animals" with cute little vests that the owner bought online.  By federal laws, both seem to get the same protection in transportation and in housing.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: AJ Dual on September 28, 2017, 03:41:46 PM
I just wonder if they were real service dogs, or fake "emotional support animals" with cute little vests that the owner bought online.  By federal laws, both seem to get the same protection in transportation and in housing.

In this instance, I'll gladly take a faux-service animal, who's only there as a scam so the scooter-bound Walmartian can take their fur-baby everywhere with them over a little Linda Sarsour wannabe who probably was trying to throw her weight around with some combination of the generalized Islamic belief that dogs are haraam, and thinks she's fighting some form of "white privilege" at the same time.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Ben on September 28, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
In this instance, I'll gladly take a faux-service animal, who's only there as a scam so the scooter-bound Walmartian can take their fur-baby everywhere with them over a little Linda Sarsour wannabe who probably was trying to throw her weight around with some combination of the generalized Islamic belief that dogs are haraam, and thinks she's fighting some form of "white privilege" at the same time.

Ironically, had she pulled this on an airline owned by the culture she embraces (I'm not sure if she's actually from the Middle East or just culture worshipping), things would not have gone nearly so well for her.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 28, 2017, 04:27:30 PM
I don't see a direct correlation between igtard and the Dr. That got violently and forcibly removed
The SJW pitched a fit and made a scene to open the game. The Dr. had committed the offense of paying for his seat.
Two very different scenarios.
And, while forcing the Dr off the plane was technically legal even though the airline employees didn't follow their own rules it doesn't make it right.
It was legal to arrest Rosa Park but it wasn't right.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 28, 2017, 04:32:00 PM
HMMMMM.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/woman-dragged-off-southwest-flight-for-complaining-about-dog-allergy/


https://wsrp.hds.harvard.edu/people/anila-daulatzai



HMMMMMM indeed. Interesting that for her Hahvahd photo she chose to wear somewhat traditional Islamic garb (albeit with her face exposed), but for traveling in an airplane with evil males she chose to wear decadent Western garb, including pants so tight they split (supposedly) during the ... ah ... "incident."

Too late, but I don't think Southwest owes her any apology whatsoever. She tried to play the "I'm queen of the Universe" card, and it was trumped by the ADA.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Scout26 on September 28, 2017, 04:38:04 PM
I don't see a direct correlation between igtard and the Dr. That got violently and forcibly removed
The SJW pitched a fit and made a scene to open the game. The Dr. had committed the offense of paying for his seat.
Two very different scenarios.
And, while forcing the Dr off the plane was technically legal even though the airline employees didn't follow their own rules it doesn't make it right.
It was legal to arrest Rosa Park but it wasn't right.
Ummm, igtard also paid for her seat.   Dr. D. also pitched a fit when told he had to get off the plane. 

Only difference is she was told to get off because of the dogs.  Dr. D. was told to get off for humans. 
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 28, 2017, 05:22:26 PM
Ummm, igtard also paid for her seat.   Dr. D. also pitched a fit when told he had to get off the plane.  

Only difference is she was told to get off because of the dogs.  Dr. D. was told to get off for humans.  

Scenario 1: The person removed did nothing more egregious than pay for a ticket and quietly board the plane. (Antagonist, dependent variable)

Scenario 2: The person removed pitched a fit and caused a scene after not getting her way. (Protagonist, independent variable)

Brad
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Ben on September 28, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
Yeah, I don't see them as equivalent at all. As Brad said, the doc just bought a ticket and took his seat and was basically minding his own business until told to leave. Now at that point you could argue as to whether he should have just left or not, but up to that point, he was just sitting quietly expecting to fly like any other passenger.

"The Professor" immediately demanded accommodation, and not just a simple accommodation. In order to accommodate her, several other passengers would have had to be removed from the aircraft. If you're looking for equivalency, the passengers with animals are more similar to the doc than the doc to the professor.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 28, 2017, 06:56:41 PM
Ummm, igtard also paid for her seat.   Dr. D. also pitched a fit when told he had to get off the plane. 

Only difference is she was told to get off because of the dogs.  Dr. D. was told to get off for humans. 


Oh, so all Asians look alike to you.  :P  (Just kidding, dude.)
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 28, 2017, 08:45:23 PM
No, she was told to get off because she pitched a fit about the dogs.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: just Warren on September 29, 2017, 09:07:16 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Herve_Villechaize_1977.jpg/400px-Herve_Villechaize_1977.jpg)

Deplaned! Deplaned!
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: KD5NRH on September 29, 2017, 11:10:08 PM
Guilty.  The A320 cockpit windows do open, and I have stuck my head out, but not while moving.

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgproc.airliners.net%2Fphotos%2Fairliners%2F1%2F1%2F3%2F0526311.jpg%3Fv%3Dv40&hash=183ff40178772e43232b6dbb7d20aa9abb6e8eae)
Apparently airports just don't hire good help these days.

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I just wonder if they were real service dogs, or fake "emotional support animals" with cute little vests that the owner bought online.  By federal laws, both seem to get the same protection in transportation and in housing.

At least one article said one ESA and one pet.
AFAICT, at least at the Federal level, ESAs are only protected for housing.  The rest is carrier policy.  Not good policy, IMO, since there are no standards for ESA training, and yet restaurants and other accommodations are so afraid of the SA laws that they won't even do what they are allowed to when someone brings in a clearly untrained animal.  (They can legally ask if it is a service animal and what service it is trained to perform.  Not sure if the protections for SAs in training with non-disabled handlers are Federal or just state level.)

Had a friend who did the early basic obedience training before dogs were even considered for SA training by one of the Dallas area trainers; even her "rejects" were impressively well behaved dogs that could be trusted off-leash in places I wouldn't take a 12 year old without a firm grip.  It was funny to watch her dealing with two or more dogs at once.  On a heel command, they'd stack up at her left leg, with the closest dog barely touching her leg, and the others each just as gently walking against the dog to their right.  She would go running through the woods with 3-4 dogs like that, and they'd split just long enough to avoid an obstacle and come right back into formation.  Even a cujo-like response to a "stranger" at the door cut off like they had a pause button on command.

In short, some ill-behaved lint-on-a-leash yapping at the McD's hasn't had any legitimate service animal training, and I'm sure plenty of legitimate SA users would gladly toss its owner into a live volcano if our laws on such things weren't so unreasonably restrictive.
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Firethorn on September 30, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
I read this morning that she did in fact say "professor" and that she's a "professor" of some kind of ethno-socio something or other at a college of art. Funny how you rarely see a professor of engineering or physics pull that stuff. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the time I've heard someone name drop their title while in outrage mode, it's always been social-something.

When they do, you get things like a house booby trapped with a couple dozen shotguns.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/1412776/Belgian-pensioner-killed-by-his-own-booby-trap.html
Title: Re: Another Passenger Kicked Off a Plane
Post by: Firethorn on September 30, 2017, 10:08:41 PM
And how many here backed him up ??  What changed here ??  Is it because it involved dogs and not humans ??   All she had to do was say "Fine, I'll fly with the dogs."

She tried that.  However, in disclosing that the flight could kill her, and that she didn't have a doctor's note showing she'd taken the proper precautions, Southwest elected to not let somebody fly with a self confessed lethal condition if she took the flight.

Dead people and medical diversions are costly, you see.