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AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare side effect in court documents for first time
https://www.yahoo.com/news/astrazeneca-admits-first-time-covid-180000780.html
AstraZeneca has admitted for the first time in court documents that its Covid vaccine can cause a rare side effect, in an apparent about-turn that could pave the way for a multi-million pound legal payout.
The pharmaceutical giant is being sued in a class action over claims that its vaccine, developed with the University of Oxford, caused death and serious injury in dozens of cases.
AstraZeneca admits its COVID vaccine can cause deadly blood clots
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/apr/30/astrazeneca-admits-its-covid-vaccine-can-cause-dea/
Despite contesting the allegations, AstraZeneca conceded in the document that its vaccine could cause TTS, albeit in rare cases. The condition, formerly known as vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia, has been a recognized but rare side effect of the vaccine.
The legal admission marks the first instance AstraZeneca has openly recognized the potential for its vaccine to cause the serious side effect in court following two years of acknowledgment in a medical context. The implications could pave the way for individual compensation claims, altering the landscape for those affected and their families.
Seems to me that just about every claim made by the Govt and Big Pharma as the vaccine was rolled out has been proven false. I am wondering if/when we will hear an admission that the vaccine is completely ineffective against COVID.
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This came up on my search, but it is a few years old.
Covid: Trigger of rare blood clots with AstraZeneca jab found by scientists
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59418123
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Being a senior citizen with several of the factors that put me in what the .gov had classified as the "high risk" population for COVID-19, I was convinced that if I got it I was going to die. To the extent that I didn't leave the house for three months -- a younger friend did my grocery shopping for me. He left the bags in the garage, I collected the bags after my friend had departed, and I wiped each package or bottle with Chlorox wipes before putting them away. So when the vaccine first came out, I succumbed to the pressure and dutifully went to the VA hospital for the two jabs. My VA hospital gave the Pfizer version. The other VA hospital in the state was administering one of the other varieties (Moderna, IIRC).
Not long after having gotten my shots I started reading about healthy, world-class athletes dropping dead soon after having been vaccinated. And then reading about people getting COVID even after having been vaccinated. So I decided not to get any of the follow-up shots, and I regret having allowed myself to be brainwashed by Fauci and the CDC in the first place.
Since having been vaccinated, I have had one verified bout of COVID-19, and another, similar (but longer) episode that the VA insists wasn't COVID but which looked and felt exactly like the preceding episode of COVID. The whole thing further eroded my already low level of trust in anything the .gov says about my health.
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Some of y'all have probably heard about this...
My friend Kay watched too much TV... She was scared of the 'vid, and could work from home, so she stayed home, and had stuffs delivered. Far from stupid - high end database admin, etc...
So, a couple of years ago, she decided that it was going to be a good and fun holiday season, so she scheduled a booster with her doc.
It killed her.
Autoimmune reaction. She got it about a week before Thanksgiving, died the day before.
Yeah, I'm pissed. I don't have that many friends.
Some pix of her may still be on THR/TFL from a trip that Oleg did to Fort Knox and the Knob Creek Machinegun Shoot. She is the person who brought the "meat biscuits." Some nicely prepared, and then cooked at the campground, slices of filet mignon. Our group did NOT camp roughly.
They didn't test it. Or, rather... We were the test subjects, and if we had a problem with that concept (you know, like one would have after a decade working in pharma R&D?), we were told to STFU...
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Counterpoint.
Another example of negative publicity disrupting good sense. While I always look askance at MSM and government output, I figure the public relations effect of one highly-publicised death or other negative effect of something will counteract the unsung benefits to thousands.
Hey! We see the same bullshit having the same psychological effects in gun "violence." You think noise is made about the thousands of beneficial uses of firearms? Noooooo, you don't, and the effect is that there is an outcry for meaningless gun control.
Wake up, dammit. No medical treatment is without risk and I, me, myself, would rather work with the real statistical risk (n out of X die, m out of X get ill) than the "if it bleeds it leads" (so to speak) publicity.
I'd rather operate on the X minus n and X minus m numbers than just the n and the m quantities.
Sorry, naysayers, but I'm naysaying it in the opposite direction and I ain't takin' it back. Be realistic, not just another "if it bleeds it leads" dupe, just like the majority of anti-gunners are.
Terry, 230RN
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They didn't test it.
New tech, untried.
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It isn’t nearly as simple as “there is X risk and Y benefit and since the people who sell the vaccine say Y outweighs X, get the Fauci ouchy!”
Covid is highly age stratified, and the potential for iatrogenic harm is much more of a concern with younger people who have many more years to lose.
Terry, you probably made the right call for yourself given your advanced ripeness, but your cost/benefit analysis doesn’t hold universally.
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"Advanced Ripeness." Loved it. You mean moldy, don't you?
You should re-read what you said, and I'm not taking back what I said.
These unitary "my brother in law had it and died / was sick for a week / became impotent" stories are not enlightening.
I'm no champion of the medical industry, but I'm reminded of back in the day when a lot of people would not give their kids polio shots (or the later mouth vaccine) for vacuous reasons.
Yet we basically rid the world of polio. Fortunately, there's a transmission vector effect, where if enough of the population are immunized, the disease has fewer and fewer "pathways" to propagate and dies away.
But in the meantime, people die from "it" (whatever is the "it" de jour) needlessly. So thank you for dying, thereby restricting the propagation channels.
So. Go ahead and propagate the propaganda and good luck to you and your heirs. That's a joke...but a sharply-pointed one.
Terry, 230RN
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These unitary "my brother in law had it and died / was sick for a week / became impotent" stories are not enlightening.
Which anecdotal story did I give?
I'm no champion of the medical industry, but I'm reminded of back in the day when a lot of people would not give their kids polio shots (or the later mouth vaccine) for vacuous reasons.
Yet we basically rid the world of polio. Fortunately, there's a transmission vector effect, where if enough of the population are immunized, the disease has fewer and fewer "pathways" to propagate and dies away.
Cool cool cool, so it is 2024 and you are still under the impression that the COVID vaccine provides near sterilizing immunity and is likely to result in the extermination of the underlying virus if only enough people get the vaccine?
So. Go ahead and propagate the propaganda and good luck to you and your heirs. That's a joke...but a sharply-pointed one.
And which of my points are propaganda? The age-stratification of covid? The increased consequences of iatrogenic harm to younger people? The idea that one-size-fits-all might not be the best medical approach?
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"Advanced Ripeness." Loved it. You mean moldy, don't you?
You should re-read what you said, and I'm not taking back what I said.
These unitary "my brother in law had it and died / was sick for a week / became impotent" stories are not enlightening.
I'm no champion of the medical industry, but I'm reminded of back in the day when a lot of people would not give their kids polio shots (or the later mouth vaccine) for vacuous reasons.
Yet we basically rid the world of polio. Fortunately, there's a transmission vector effect, where if enough of the population are immunized, the disease has fewer and fewer "pathways" to propagate and dies away.
But in the meantime, people die from "it" (whatever is the "it" de jour) needlessly. So thank you for dying, thereby restricting the propagation channels.
So. Go ahead and propagate the propaganda and good luck to you and your heirs. That's a joke...but a sharply-pointed one.
Terry, 230RN
The pro-vaccine crowd wanted to throw people in gulags or ruin their lives otherwise (and did their best to do so for many) for not wanting to get the vaccine. Let’s also not forget the other damage that was done either, economically, to us all.
I don’t abide by tyrants, and you shouldn’t either.
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I am very suspicious of any vaccine that requires booster after booster after booster, every few months to ensure its efficacy. Sorta makes me wonder if it really works at all.
And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, yes, there are some exceptions to my suspicions. Tetanus vaccines for one.
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I am very suspicious of any vaccine that requires booster after booster after booster, every few months to ensure its efficacy. Sorta makes me wonder if it really works at all.
And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, yes, there are some exceptions to my suspicions. Tetanus vaccines for one.
All vaccines require boosters. The length of time varies buy vaccine, but none of them last forever. I just had to get a 'scrip written for a Typhoid vaccine, because mine is more than two years old, and I'm traveling to an area with the disease.
That said, for a while there it seemed like COVID boosters were coming out quarterly, and that does seem like a lot. It seems like they've settled on recommending a yearly(ish) "updated" booster that is tweaked for the current strain of COVID-19*. So very much like the Flu shot. I think updating your COVID shot requires one to think carefully about one's individual risk of both the disease, and the shot.
*I think we should start a movement to identify COVID like it's a Russian rifle. So COVID-19 that's been arsanal refurbed mutated this year will be a COVID-19/24.
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I am still of the opinion that the impact of Covid itself was sensationalized so much it will be difficult to look back and determine exactly what happened. There was so much political grandstanding going on and some governors were deliberately putting the elderly in harms way to make things worse for political reasons.
I know of two people who died who were both at retirement age. I have one coworker, him and his wife were hospitalized with it, but pulled through. His wife was on portable oxygen for a month. Everyone else I know who got it (including me) just had some level of flu symptoms. And it really didn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. That didn't seem to stop anyone from getting it.
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All vaccines require boosters.
AFAIK, polio does not. I've only ever had the childhood series, and no doctor has ever recommended any kind of booster or revaccination for me.
As to the covids, I continue to be amazed that ever since I got the pre-vaccine OG version and let my body handle it, I continue to be immune to all covids. Based on my history, I should have gotten at least a half dozen colds since 2020. I haven't been sick with anything since I fought off the 19.
Had I not gotten the covids before the vaccines came out, I might have gotten a jab. I'm kinda glad things turned out the way they did.
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As to the covids, I continue to be amazed that ever since I got the pre-vaccine OG version and let my body handle it, I continue to be immune to all covids. Based on my history, I should have gotten at least a half dozen colds since 2020. I haven't been sick with anything since I fought off the 19.
Ben, come visit my family sometime. I'm sure my petri dishes of filth kids will get you good and sick!
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Ben, come visit my family sometime. I'm sure my petri dishes of filth kids will get you good and sick!
Heh. My deceased niece was a preschool teacher, and as much as I loved seeing her, I dreaded visits because she always brought along whatever diseases the kids in her class had, and I'm pretty sure it ran around 7 of every 10 visits left me sick the next day. :laugh:
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https://youtu.be/L-NSPhLHIBA?t=70
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AFAIK, polio does not. I've only ever had the childhood series, and no doctor has ever recommended any kind of booster or revaccination for me.
Even Polio. No one recommends a booster because it is *pretty* long lasting, and the disease is eradicated in the wild, so why bother? I suspect if you were working in a lab with active Polio they'd have some SOP. CDC says:
It is not known how long people who received IPV will be protected against polio, but they are most likely protected for many years after a complete series of IPV. A 2009–2010 national survey showed that a high percentage of children and adults had protective antibodies against poliovirus, including adults who had received oral polio vaccine (OPV) as children decades earlier. However, adults who completed their polio vaccination series as children and are at higher risk for polio exposure can receive one lifetime IPV booster.
bolding mine.
This is not a hit on vaccines, it's just a thing about immune systems. No one recommends a Small Pox booster either, but when I went to Iraq in 2008, they sure as hell gave us one, even those of us that had had it as children. Mostly I think on those rare diseases that no one really gets anymore, no one really knows how long the vaccines remain effective. So you gotta weigh the risks of another vaccine vs. the risks of the disease divided by the likelihood of getting the disease. You know, like they should have let us do with COVID.
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"Even Polio. No one recommends a booster because it is *pretty* long lasting, and the disease is eradicated in the wild, so why bother? I suspect if you were working in a lab with active Polio they'd have some SOP. CDC says:"
Not sure if you mean polio is eradicated in the wild in the United States, but it's still a concern because of international travel. Back in 2022 in Rockland County, New York, there was a polio case with live polio virus identified in the waste stream: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/why-polio-has-reemerged-and-how-to-stay-safe-experts-advise
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"Even Polio. No one recommends a booster because it is *pretty* long lasting, and the disease is eradicated in the wild, so why bother? I suspect if you were working in a lab with active Polio they'd have some SOP. CDC says:"
Not sure if you mean polio is eradicated in the wild in the United States, but it's still a concern because of international travel. Back in 2022 in Rockland County, New York, there was a polio case with live polio virus identified in the waste stream: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/why-polio-has-reemerged-and-how-to-stay-safe-experts-advise
Wild poliovirus cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases in more than 125 endemic countries to 6 reported cases in 2021. Of the 3 strains of wild poliovirus (type 1, type 2 and type 3), wild poliovirus type 2 was eradicated in 1999 and wild poliovirus type 3 was eradicated in 2020. As at 2022, endemic wild poliovirus type 1 remains in two countries: Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Eradicated in the wild enough an American isn't going to be recommended a booster short of very specific circumstances.
Scrolling through my 10 pages of Immunization records, it looks like the Army gave it to me in 1998 (initial entry), and 2013 (CENTCOM Deployment #3). There was a CENTCOM trip in 2008-09, that I didn't get it so you can kinda guess what timeframe the DOD feels it needs a booster from that. Ah....Afghanistan, so many local treasures just waiting to change your life.....
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And the fun thing is that old people have historically cashed out of life's casino due to complications of... the common cold or flu.
When I was in the labs, we'd muse about a vaccine for the common cold, and the general opinion (I wasn't having lunch with the guys mowing the grass either...) was that the family of cold bugs just mutated too rapidly.
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Do ANY of y'all still believe the Chinese propaganda videos?
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I didn't know that Type 3 was declared eradicated. I knew about Type 2.
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I am aware of some vaccines needing to be retaken after so much time. I never really called it a booster in the past or at least it wasn't something I thought about. I have gotten a repeat of the tetanus vaccine. I was told they were good for 10 or 20 years.
IMO, the main thing to take away from my first post above is that Astrazenica knew about the side effects and did their best to hide it.
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AstraZeneca pulls its COVID vaccine from European market
https://apnews.com/article/astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-eu-a3c108dd0ca305cf1b6da764e9a37abc
In an update on the European Medicines Agency’s website Wednesday, the regulator said that the approval for AstraZeneca’s Vaxzevria had been withdrawn “at the request of the marketing authorization holder.”
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I am aware of some vaccines needing to be retaken after so much time. I never really called it a booster in the past or at least it wasn't something I thought about. I have gotten a repeat of the tetanus vaccine. I was told they were good for 10 or 20 years.
IMO, the main thing to take away from my first post above is that Astrazenica knew about the side effects and did their best to hide it.
That is not even a little bit what the articles you linked say.
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The families have initiated a class-action lawsuit, claiming the vaccine caused health issues as bad as death. The compensation claims for some of the affected parties could reach up to $25 million.
Despite contesting the allegations, AstraZeneca conceded in the document that its vaccine could cause TTS, albeit in rare cases. The condition, formerly known as vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia, has been a recognized but rare side effect of the vaccine.
The legal admission marks the first instance AstraZeneca has openly recognized the potential for its vaccine to cause the serious side effect in court following two years of acknowledgment in a medical context. The implications could pave the way for individual compensation claims, altering the landscape for those affected and their families.
So they made the admission in response to a lawsuit. How long before that did they know about the potential side effects? Was that publicized as a risk of taking their vaccine?
You might accuse me of reading just a little more into what was said, but I don't think I am off in left field or anything. Now they are taking it off the market.
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All vaccines require boosters.
Inaccurate statement. Some vaccines require periodic boosters, many do not, being one shot and done. That the various versions of the Covid vaccines require boosters around every 90 days makes me very suspicious as to its efficacy. And the vaccine manufacturers themselves have admitted the efficacy is quite limited in that it seldom prevents the disease. Supposedly it mostly reduces one's chance of dying of Covid, or reduces the disease severity. I really think it was, and still is, just a way for the manufacturers to scam tax dollars.
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From your linked article:
The company is pointing out that product information relating to the vaccine was updated in April 2021, with the approval of the UK regulator, to include “the possibility that the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine is capable, in very rare cases, of being a trigger for” TTS.
Wiki says the first dose outside trials was administered on Jan 4 2021. 4 months later they updated product info with a rare but potentially fatal side effect. That doesn't read to me that evil big pharma knew all along it would kill people and hid it. Although I guess you could argue that hiding the side effect in the vaccine information sheet was some kind of 4D chess move because no one reads those. =D
I'm not saying I'd line up for this shot, even if it were offered somewhere I was (It actually was offered where I got my first COVID Shot, I chose J+J instead, with it's own list of issues), but it's a big stretch from: "This vaccine seems riskier for y age and health group than the disease" to "AZ purposefully hid fatal side effects so they could jab more people"; an outlook for which there does not seem to be much actual evidence.
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Inaccurate statement. Some vaccines require periodic boosters, many do not, being one shot and done.
I am aware of no vaccine that offers lifetime protection from one dose or series. All of the "one and done" shots I am aware of in the US are that way because of very low risk of infections (see Polio and Smallpox), not indefinite protection. As I alluded to earlier, Uncle Sam has sent me many places that have required follow up doses of vaccines most Americans only get once, so I feel like I have a pretty good idea of it, and the needle tracks to prove it. :D
If you are aware of a vaccine that actually offers indefinite protection from one series, according to CDC, WHO, or the vaccine maker, I would be interested in learning of it.
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If you are aware of a vaccine that actually offers indefinite protection from one series, according to CDC, WHO, or the vaccine maker, I would be interested in learning of it.
A quick search brings up Yellow Fever and MMR as a couple of examples. Apparently live-attenuated vaccines are more effective in the long-term than non-live vaccines, which makes sense as they are more similar to actually catching the disease and therefore your body would be more adapted to learning from them.
I think that people going into regions where they are likely to be exposed (such as people in the military) may still be given additional "boosters" for a variety of reasons including potentially mistaken records of previous vaccinations, variations in individual immune systems, and so forth. Easier to just give the additional vaccine.
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I stand somewhat corrected. Many vaccines require two doses to achieve lifetime protection. Others multiple doses to continue protection. It depends on how the vaccine is designed. From the CDC website:
"A single dose of vaccine provides only partial protection. The number of doses needed to achieve immunity depends on whether the antigen in a vaccine is alive or not. Because they contain living bacteria or viruses, live-attenuated vaccines can provide enduring protection with only two doses. By contrast, non-live vaccines typically require at least three doses to achieve protection that fades over time and must be restored with booster doses."
The article goes on to state that some live-attenuated vaccines do provide lifetime protection with only one dose and one follow-on booster.
Research on this subject is time consuming because most everything that comes up with the googles and duckz is related to the covids. Very little comes up unrelated. There may be some one-and-done shots out there that just don't come up due to the overwhelming bunch of covid related stuff that results from most search terms.
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I had a metric boatload of vaccinations before making eventually cancelled excursions to Panama and the Philippines at Uncle Sam's request in 1975. They were cancelled because of the evacuation of Saigon in April that year. I had a bunch of the vaccines repeated, likely for reasons cordex mentioned, just before a float to Australia in Sept. 1976. Lots of holes in my shoulders during that time.
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I am very suspicious of any vaccine that requires booster after booster after booster, every few months to ensure its efficacy. Sorta makes me wonder if it really works at all.
And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, yes, there are some exceptions to my suspicions. Tetanus vaccines for one.
Tetanus boosters are only "suggested" if you have suffered an injury that might allow the bacteria to grow. They aren't needed every few months like this "experimental vaccine".
And, for the government to give "blanket immunity" for any potential problems this "vaccine" caused tells ME that it isn't to be trusted. :facepalm:
ETA: And Ben is right about the polio vaccines. I had both the Salk and Sabin vaccines while in elementary school, somewhere between 1959 and 1963. In that same time period, I had the TB shot where they make a little bubble of solution under your skin to see if you react to it, indicating you may actually HAVE TB.
Never had anything TB-related since.
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I think that people going into regions where they are likely to be exposed (such as people in the military) may still be given additional "boosters" for a variety of reasons including potentially mistaken records of previous vaccinations, variations in individual immune systems, and so forth. Easier to just give the additional vaccine.
True, and I can understand that thought, especially in a military setting but generally any American going to a place where diseases that are normally "one and done vaccinations" are endemic is recommended to "update" their vaccines.
I would just say, especially in the context of this thread on not having, shall we say, 100% confidence in Public Health officials and pharma companies, that when they say "Yeah this vaccine gives you 99% protection from this rare disease you are unlikely to ever encounter for life! Totally!" and follow that up with "Oh, you are going somewhere you might actually get exposed to the disease? You should get a booster, just in case." I question the lifetime protection claim.
FWIW MMR and Yellow Fever were both added to the DOD "Vaccines that need to get boosted/redone" in the mid 20teens. I had a heck of a time convincing the local Walgreens that I really did need an MMR at 35. I think it's mostly Measles they are worried about with that one. Interestingly, COVID is one the DOD isn't requiring us to update. Someone decided the disease wasn't bad enough anymore to be worth the publicity, lawsuits, and hit to retention.
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Tetanus boosters are only "suggested" if you have suffered an injury that might allow the bacteria to grow. They aren't needed every few months like this "experimental vaccine".
Actually, that was kind of my point. Sorry I didn't make it clear.
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Tetanus boosters are recommended every 10 years.
Every doctor I've ever had has tracked my tetanus booster status.
I know someone who contracted tetanus from a rose thorn prick in his garden. After almost dying twice because of compromised breathing and then pneumonia, and being hospitalized for several weeks, he lived with the after effects for several years.
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I have to wonder how much of the current 'vid shots are basically there because politicians figure that it is better to hand people a placebo, and keep the panic-likely from panicking...
Because there are still folks who are masking, and I've actually seen a few glovers lately...
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Chris Cuomo, who tried to get Joe Rogan cancelled over Ivermectin, is taking regular doses of Ivermectin.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1788211658801742207
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/05/09/gina-carano-cuomo-rogan-n2396063
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So if I'm following him correctly, he was right when he was wrong because he was being told the wrong thing by the right people, but those who disagreed with him at the time were wrong when they were right because they'd been told the right thing but from the wrong people?
Have I got that straight?
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So if I'm following him correctly, he was right when he was wrong because he was being told the wrong thing by the right people, but those who disagreed with him at the time were wrong when they were right because they'd been told the right thing but from the wrong people?
Have I got that straight?
Taking a page from President Word Salad's book.