More Safety, More TSA

[Ben]

A Bipartisan bill is going through congress to move TSA to buses, ferries, and trains. I thought this had been quashed some years ago. I also thought a South Dakota Republican Senator would be more freedom oriented, not a Peter King clone.

Not that I use those public transportation modes, but it certainly strengthens the private car mode of transportation. Though even then, if you have to take a ferry, even private transportation is affected.

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2016/10/07/tsa-may-start-screening-trains-buses-and-ferries.html

[KD5NRH]

Not that I use those public transportation modes, but it certainly strengthens the private car mode of transportation. Though even then, if you have to take a ferry, even private transportation is affected.

And let's not forget that it ain't free; who's paying for a TSA presence at every small town Greyhound stop?

[Perd Hapley]

And let's not forget that it ain't free; who's paying for a TSA presence at every small town Greyhound stop?

If it saves just one life...

[makattak]

And let's not forget that it ain't free; who's paying for a TSA presence at every small town Greyhound stop?

I'm more concerned about the opportunity cost. How many MORE hours are we going to steal from the American public with these useless gestures?

[Perd Hapley]

Because monitoring our emails and gun purchases isn't quite enough to make us safe.

[MillCreek]

I can testify personally that on a sunny Friday or holiday, the typical WSF ferry waits to cross Puget Sound are a couple of hours on up.  Many of the ferry terminals have a WSP trooper with an explosives-sniffing dog.  The trooper runs the dog up and down the line of cars prior to driving onto the ferry.  I can also say that having a trunk-full of recently-fired handguns and long guns does not trigger the dog.  Given that you can take firearms and full tanks of gas onto the ferries, I am not sure what the TSA is going to do in terms of screening, and it would sure delay the process even more.

[Jamisjockey]

They will continue to push until they succeed in both creating checkpoints at all major forms of transportation, roving checks on freeways, and checkpoints from state to state. There was only one direction the TSA could have gone after it's formation.

[KD5NRH]

They will continue to push until they succeed in both creating checkpoints at all major forms of transportation, roving checks on freeways, and checkpoints from state to state. There was only one direction the TSA could have gone after it's formation.

This.  Bureaucrats never shrink their empires.

[brimic]

Better idea! Make a law that requires any business or building that bans ccw to have and pay for a tsa checkpoint 

[HankB]

They will continue to push until they succeed in both creating checkpoints at all major forms of transportation, roving checks on freeways, and checkpoints from state to state. There was only one direction the TSA could have gone after it's formation.

So we're fated to become more like North Korea?

[Cliffh]

Yes.

[tokugawa]

Suppose this goes through- will the TSA forbid guns on ferries? Currently, under WA state law, CCW is permitted.

Anyone who requires more than say 15 minutes seconds of study to figure out the detection proof vulnerabilities of the ferries needs remedial studies...

 Kind of weird how the USA seems to be speeding ahead with all the accoutrements of a police state. Wonder how soon internal passports and visa will be required for travel interstate?

 They are already getting set up for,or are ,monitoring car travel.  Have any of you noticed those circles cut into the pavement with a wire buried? If those things are not able to pick up a signal  ID' ing a vehicle I will be very surprised, even if the cars are not yet emitting.

[Regolith]

They are already getting set up for,or are ,monitoring car travel.  Have any of you noticed those circles cut into the pavement with a wire buried? If those things are not able to pick up a signal  ID' ing a vehicle I will be very surprised, even if the cars are not yet emitting.

Yer getting a little too tin-foily there. They're there to control stoplights. They do sense your vehicle, but all they do is sense the presence of a few tons of metal, so that the lights know when to change. They're not anywhere near sensitive enough to be able to ID individual vehicles; hell, motorcycles have a hard time tripping them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop

[tokugawa]

Yer getting a little too tin-foily there. They're there to control stoplights. They do sense your vehicle, but all they do is sense the presence of a few tons of metal, so that the lights know when to change. They're not anywhere near sensitive enough to be able to ID individual vehicles; hell, motorcycles have a hard time tripping them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop

Ya think? Around here they are in the middle of the freeway lanes, on rural back roads miles from intersections, etc. Not a stop light to be found in the vicinity.
 And they do have other sensors they put out, I stopped in the street and got the name off one a few years back, looked it up online, and yes, it was set up to do multiple observations- temp, rainfall, traffic, etc etc- it looked a lot like a oversized lane center dot.

[never_retreat]

They are already getting set up for,or are ,monitoring car travel.  Have any of you noticed those circles cut into the pavement with a wire buried? If those things are not able to pick up a signal  ID' ing a vehicle I will be very surprised, even if the cars are not yet emitting.

Might need to loosen the tin foil hat.
Those are induction loops to trigger traffic lights or count cars.
They use induction by a big chuck of steel passing over them to achieve the result.

[tokugawa]

Might need to loosen the tin foil hat.
Those are induction loops to trigger traffic lights or count cars.
They use induction by a big chuck of steel passing over them to achieve the result.

  I realize that what an induction loop is.   But what else do they have in those grooves? If someone had told me 20 years ago there would BE a TSA , and they would be checking people at train stations, I would have told THEM they needed to loosen the hat.
 Those ID readers on the freeway  lanes and toll stations for "good to go" tolls are IDing the car- picking up a chip signal .
  I do not know the mechanics of this, or whether or not a system is in operation- but beyond any shadow of a doubt, the feds WANT to ID private vehicles on the roads. Automated license plate scanners, etc prove this, as well as the constant expansion of the surveillance apparatus.
 

[never_retreat]

  I realize that what an induction loop is.   But what else do they have in those grooves? If someone had told me 20 years ago there would BE a TSA , and they would be checking people at train stations, I would have told THEM they needed to loosen the hat.
 Those ID readers on the freeway  lanes and toll stations for "good to go" tolls are IDing the car- picking up a chip signal .
  I do not know the mechanics of this, or whether or not a system is in operation- but beyond any shadow of a doubt, the feds WANT to ID private vehicles on the roads. Automated license plate scanners, etc prove this, as well as the constant expansion of the surveillance apparatus.
 

Most of those loops are put in my run of the mill contractors (I have done the work).
If there was other secrete stuff in there I pretty sure someone would know.
Leave you eez pass and especially your cell phone at home. Those are the easiest ones to track you with.
NYC was using the eez pass tags in the city and it got spreed to the world on youtube.
A eezpass is normally in a dormant state, it waits to to receive a signal before it starts to transmit its ID out. That why they last so many years. There was a guy that opened one up and attached a buzzer to it to see when it activated.

[French G.]

Don't need secret street sensors. Ez-pass and license plate scanners have us covered. City centre London bills parking by license plate scan. Tunnels here in Virginia do the same. The Virginia wacko that shot the newslady on live TV eluded police and was reacquired by plate scan.

[tokugawa]

 So it's not the tinfoil, it just I should have put on the helmet years ago

[seeker_two]

Better idea! Make a law that requires any business or building that bans ccw to have and pay for a tsa checkpoint 

I like the cut of your jib......