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Police Officer beats up town council man
« on: September 19, 2007, 05:12:22 AM »
Police Officer beats up town council man

This was interesting coming on the heels of the recent incident in which John Kerry did nothing while a citizen was tasered for exercising his first amendment rights.

In this case, a town councilman suggested closing their police department due to budgetary problems. The officer expelled him from the room and then took him outside and beat the living snot out of him. The moral of the story, I guess, is that one shouldn't say anything to make a cop mad; they have special beating-the-crap-out-of-the-little-people privileges.

On a more somber note, it's why I hope Ron Paul isn't elected: he's proposing to do the same thing to the CIA and FBI. When they're done with him, his body will be found at Fort Marcy Park with no car keys in his pocket.

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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 05:18:40 AM »
I can't find any other link to a story.  I suspect there is more here.

And Ron Paul doesnt have to worry about the CIA or FBI.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 05:19:46 AM »
And Ron Paul doesnt have to worry about the CIA or FBI.

They got Kennedy, didn't they?  cheesy

I don't think it takes a conspiracy theorist, though, to make one observation: "I'd hate to be the one who tried to shut down the CIA."

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 05:21:57 AM »
Kennedy got elected.  grin
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2007, 05:27:03 AM »
The Kerry kid wasn't tasered for exercising his first Amendment rights. He was tasered because he tried to hog the question time at the expense of others and was acting in a rather irrational manner.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 05:27:56 AM »
Judging from the video only, it looks pretty messed up. "Oh, did you fall?" The cops come off as a couple a thugs.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled Ron Paul thread. rolleyes
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 05:50:45 AM »
Judging from the video only, it looks pretty messed up. "Oh, did you fall?" The cops come off as a couple a thugs.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled Ron Paul thread. rolleyes

You know, cops would be much nicer and more efficient if Ron Paul were president.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 06:13:41 AM »
The Kerry kid wasn't tasered for exercising his first Amendment rights. He was tasered because he tried to hog the question time at the expense of others and was acting in a rather irrational manner.

Hehe. "Your time's up, son. I'm gonna hafta taze ya now."

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 06:16:17 AM »
Since we all seem to be obsessed with tasers at this point, I wonder what would happen if you gave Mtnbkr's daughter one?   grin
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 06:50:18 AM »
I would hide or learn to be very tolerant of high voltage.

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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 06:56:44 AM »
what a quick search can find:

http://www2.southbendtribune.com/stories/2007/09/18/local.20070918-sbt-MARS-A1-ROSELAND_S.sto


Roseland's embarrassment
Townspeople hold hope for change on council

By MARTI GOODLAD HELINE
Tribune Staff Writer
  A sign of the times in Roseland.
Tribune Photo/MARCUS MARTER


 The involvement of David and Dorothy Snyder (top photo and bottom photo) is behind the dysfunction in town government, some residents say.



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A few opinions

It feels so inflammatory with the existing people; it hasnt settled down as much as I would have liked.

Karen Harrell
Roseland business owner



I hope Jan. 1 comes quickly and Roseland can get a fresh start.

Kelly Catanzarite
Roseland business owner



I think business owners are a little bit at a loss of how to change what transpires.

Pat Griffey
Roseland business owner
 


ROSELAND -- Three days after another fracas and arrest at a Roseland Town Council meeting, some town residents and business owners are optimistic better days are ahead for the community.

But they also believe there needs to be a better way to remove public officials from office in Indiana.

"I would like to see the town get back to what it used to be -- one that we were proud and happy to live in," longtime resident Pat Szigeti said Monday.

"I think people need the whole story before they make judgments," she added, referring to the latest incident. "I realize it looked bad.... It was shocking."

She was talking about Friday night when council member David Snyder, after being ejected from the council meeting, was involved in an altercation with Town Marshal Jack Tiller that was caught by television cameras at the front door of Town Hall.

Snyder said the marshal lunged and pushed him through the door to the Town Hall, causing him to fall, hit his head and lose consciousness. When he awoke, he was being hit in the face by Tiller, he said.

Television video footage shows the officer on top of Snyder, striking him.

Tiller has said little publicly since then.

Snyder was taken to a hospital for treatment of a concussion and other injuries before he was jailed Friday night for his involvement in the fight.

"It's a disgrace. It's an embarrassment," said Karen Harrell, who's had her business, Harrell Insurance Services, in Roseland for nearly 16 years.

The fighting and name-calling make her think of "teenaged boy stuff," she said.

"It's very sad," added Pat Griffey, owner of Page 1 Benefits, another town business.

"I hope David has consequences for his actions," said Kelly Catanzarite, an owner of Aaron's Plumbing in the town. "I hope people realize what police standards are and how they react when someone is coming at them, what they're trained to do."

Catanzarite was referring to comments from some witnesses that Snyder might have precipitated the incident by attempting to elbow the marshal.


No charges or lawsuits yet

Snyder was released Saturday on $250 cash bond and has an Oct. 4 court date for possible misdemeanor charges of resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.

"I'm not guilty of anything," Snyder said Saturday.

The St. Joseph County prosecutor's office decided Saturday not to pursue a felony charge of battery on an officer against Snyder but no decision was made as of Monday on other potential charges.

Snyder said Monday "it's a little premature" for him to talk about whether he plans litigation as a result of the altercation Friday.

"I do need to review the code book and talk to the council about getting rid of the rogue officer," he said.

While people are hopeful there will be a change and town government will improve, at the same time there is talk of getting rid of the people who are causing the problems.


Optimistic about future

"If we get the right team and work together as a team, I think we can get back," said Szigeti. "I would hate for us to give up without trying."

"I hope Jan. 1 comes quickly," Catanzarite said, "and Roseland can get a fresh start."

David Snyder and council President Charley Shields and controversial Clerk-Treasurer Cheryl Gridley all leave office at the end of this year.

"There's such a lack of professionalism," Harrell said.

After getting somewhat involved last year in council matters during a dispute over town citations for lack of business licenses, Harrell has taken a step back this year as have most business owners.

Harrell said she had hoped that after the start of 2007, things would improve with changes on the council.

"It feels so inflammatory with the existing people, it hasn't settled down as much as I would have liked," she said. But she believes there has been improvement since Ted Penn replaced Dorothy Snyder, David Snyder's wife, on the council.

"There are some very good people who care about this community," she noted.

But she fears things will not improve "until the Snyders are completely out of it, because of the hard feelings toward them" from their years of controlling the Town Council.

Those hard feelings wipe out anything positive the Snyders accomplished, Harrell said.


Businesses sit back

A year ago, Harrell, Griffey and other town business owners explored becoming more involved with the town.

"(Now) Roseland business owners are taking a neutral position," Griffey said. "I think business owners are a little bit at a loss of how to change what transpires."

Some people in town would like to be rid of David Snyder going back to when he and his wife both were on the council.

That has led to discussions of Indiana's need for a recall law. Public officials now can be removed from office only for a felony conviction or by action taken by the General Assembly.


Recall law desired

"Indiana needs to have a recall law," Catanzarite said. "Roseland is a perfect example of why."

"Instead of criticizing so much, people in other towns should look to make sure they don't find themselves in the same situation someday without a recall," Szigeti said, urging the entire state to look at the issue.

"There has to be a way to remove people from office when there is gross misconduct," Harrell commented.

State Rep. Ryan Dvorak, D-South Bend, has explored a recall law for Indiana, but got a cold reception from fellow lawmakers.

"I know the people of Roseland would like to see it," he said Monday.

Dvorak said he talked about a recall law with his colleagues and the chairmen of appropriate committees.

"The response I got always was really negative," Dvorak said.

He said he thought it was because some politicians want to avoid a situation like in California where frequent recalls have become disruptive.

"I have an open mind on the issue," said Dvorak.

He pointed out it is not unusual for people in local government to get into heated disputes with others on issues.

"Sometimes they go on for years," Dvorak said, referring to stories he's heard from other parts of the state.

He said he does not know the best way to resolve the situation when personal issues and dislike cause the inability of elected officials to work together.

It may have to be a matter of time, Dvorak suggested, until terms end and new elections bring replacements.

He said such local issues sometimes are best resolved locally.

"There are a lot of good people in the town of Roseland. It's a neat little town. It's sad the way they're being treated. It's an embarrassment," Dvorak said.

 



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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2007, 07:00:08 AM »
That kid at the Kerry event was actually infringing on the 1st Amendment rights of others.  You do not have the right to crash someone else's event and rant away.  Follow their rules or do your own event.


I would also like to see more on the top story.  There has to be more than one paragraph on a web page.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2007, 07:12:30 AM »
You do not have the right to crash someone else's event and rant away. 

It was a public Q&A.

Follow their rules or do your own event.

I guess so, but I don't see what happened as a good trend when it comes to speeches by public officials.


I would also like to see more on the top story.  There has to be more than one paragraph on a web page.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2007, 07:19:33 AM »
The Kerry kid wasn't tasered for exercising his first Amendment rights. He was tasered because he tried to hog the question time at the expense of others and was acting in a rather irrational manner.

Hehe. "Your time's up, son. I'm gonna hafta taze ya now."



After being repeatedly told his time was up, he kept going anyway. When his mike was cut off, he kept going. When the police came to escort him out, he kept going.

He brought the subsequent events on himself. It wasn't a great big bad conspiracy by the man in conjunction with the Skull & Bones.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2007, 07:20:48 AM »
Yet again Indiana, some how, some way, finds a way to embarrass itself.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2007, 07:24:57 AM »
"It was a public Q&A"

So? That gives one individual the God-given, inherent, natural right to monopolize the forum at the expense of everyone else attending the "public Q&A"?

It was an event sponsored by some organization, the university, I believe, and was on private property.

The sponsor of the even had ever right to determine the exact parameters for the Q&A and to limit or otherwise guide the questions being asked

Just because something is "public" doesn't mean that an individual has the right, or even the expectation of the right, to monopolize the forum at the expense of others.

This nation is not a nation of "My rights are absolute and the rest of you, well you suck and you don't have any rights at all, I'll do what I want because my rights are absolute."

It doesn't work that way.

And, at the point where an individual becomes combative and refuses to abide by the expectations of the sponsors of the event, they have every right to have him ejected from the forum.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2007, 08:10:32 AM »
It wasn't a great big bad conspiracy by the man in conjunction with the Skull & Bones.

But it was excessive force. At the moment, the officers involved are on suspension.

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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2007, 08:20:05 AM »
It wasn't a great big bad conspiracy by the man in conjunction with the Skull & Bones.

But it was excessive force. At the moment, the officers involved are on suspension.

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You have zero way to know whether it was excessive or not.  You weren't there.  No one here was.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2007, 08:22:12 AM »
You have zero way to know whether it was excessive or not.  You weren't there.  No one here was.

The same disclaimer always applies: "Based on the facts currently available." The taser is not an all-purpose compliance assurance device.

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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2007, 09:10:51 AM »
It was saddened, watching the video.

Just like when the more usual, un-uniformed thugs work someone over, no one did anything.

Too bad one of the fine townsmen didn't use a bludgeoning instrument on the thick skulls of the uniformed thugs and do some improvements threaten to call the police, so as to stop the crime in progress.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2007, 09:11:55 AM »
The Snyders have been in the news quite a bit over the months.

That's one town that puts the fun in disfunctional.


As for the police involved in tasing the college student, I wish my office would suspend me with FULL PAY (interestingly enough, later in the article it says that the officers are ON LEAVE. So, which is it, suspended, or on administrative leave with pay?).

I could really get some things done around the house were I being paid full ticket and not drawing down my leave balances.

Your interpretation is that the police used excessive force. Given the other options available in the face of a man who is struggling with them -- nightstick, pepper spray, handgun -- based on the video alone it would appear that the police used appropriate force.

Personally, given that he's a whiny little liberal puke screaming stolen election, stolen election, I think they should have nightsticked him into a quivering puddle of goo.

I'd have bought a ticket to see that.

But that's just me.
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Re: Police Officer beats up town council man
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2007, 09:16:00 AM »
Too bad one of the fine townsmen didn't use a bludgeoning instrument on the thick skulls of the uniformed thugs and do some improvements threaten to call the police, so as to stop the crime in progress.

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2007, 09:21:06 AM »
The Snyders have been in the news quite a bit over the months.

That's one town that puts the fun in disfunctional.

I don't know any of the backstory, except the bits that were posted above. But even if Mr. Snyder is the world's biggest jerk, that doesn't authorize anyone to beat the snot out of him. Suppose that the cop in question had been acting like the world's biggest jerk, and Mr. Snyder had responded by assaulting him? If being a jerk is a beating offense, I'd say the knife ought to cut both ways.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2007, 09:23:42 AM »
I'm sorry, did you somehow see my statements as a blanked endorsement of police activities in this event?

Which I've yet to see video of?

What possibly led you to that conclusion?
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2007, 09:24:32 AM »
I'm sorry, did you somehow see my statements as a blanked endorsement of police activities in this event?

No, I was making a general observation.

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