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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: K Frame on June 14, 2017, 08:00:49 AM
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Holy crap! It's true.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html
Not much on it right now.
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Holy crap! It's true.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html
Not much on it right now.
Preliminary reports on the radio said 5 shot. I'm, of course, highlighting the preliminary part of those reports as the numbers are never correct.
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Very little info at this point. But I'm thinking he was targeted, cause that would be one hell of a coincidence.
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Yep, 5 shot, 50 rounds fired.
Supposedly had a rifle.
If the guy had a rifle, my thoughts are that it was a targeted incident.
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In Alexandria at that.
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It was at a Republican baseball team practice.
This is political.
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It was at a Republican baseball team practice.
This is political.
For now I'm going with probably political. I can withhold judgement for a couple hours while the name of the shooter comes out.
(To be swiftly swept under the rug if it does, as is likely, turn out to be some nutso leftist trying to "SAVE THE PLANET! OBAMACARE! MAH ABORTION RIGHTS AS A TRANSGENDER OTHERKIN!")
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Rep. Brooks, who was also underfire and was being interviewed by CNN, said the shooter appeared to be a middle-aged white guy with a rifle.
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Very little info at this point. But I'm thinking he was targeted, cause that would be one hell of a coincidence.
Just heard it reported that as the shooter approached the field he asked whether the Republicans or the Democrats were practicing at the time.
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Sources are reporting he asked if it was republicans or democrats practicing too.
I'm putting my money on liberal, especially since the body count is so low, as morbid as that sounds. Probably his first time firing the rifle. He also apparently had enough knowledge to know where they practiced, and since he had a rifle with him this was absolutely premeditated (duh captain obvious)
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:facepalm: :facepalm:
I really hope no one but the shooter dies her but OMFG the quotes in the story I just read are stupefying.
""The gun was a semiautomatic," Brooks said. "It continued to fire at different people. You can imagine, all the people on the field scatter.""
No you simpleminded furktard, the shooter continued to fire, the gun didn't do a damn thing by itself.
ETA: Just when I was starting to hope for a return to some sort of normalcy for .22 RF ammunition, crap.
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Two of the victims were capital police who apparently fought back and took the gunman down.
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I wonder if they will name a warship after him?
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Rifle has been "identified" as an AR-15 'cause "that's what it sounded like"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html)
Queue up the new assault rifle ban brought to you by the RINOs.
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"""The gun was a semiautomatic," Brooks said. "It continued to fire at different people. You can imagine, all the people on the field scatter.""
Brooks is a gun guy, and he was also just being shot at.
A little slack is in order.
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Rep. Brooks, who was also underfire and was being interviewed by CNN, said the shooter appeared to be a middle-aged white guy with a rifle.
Maybe this is what happens when you keep telling lies about the Republican Party being a Russian occupation force. Wolverines, etc.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Rifle has been "identified" as an AR-15 'cause "that's what it sounded like"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html)
Queue up the new assault rifle ban brought to you by the RINOs.
I see no mention of an AR-15 in the write up that you linked.
But that's not surprising given that they're updating the story almost every minute.
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How long until we hear that it's nothing but a false flag operation of some sort and some such to do something for someone who might want an unspecified whatever.
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I see no mention of an AR-15 in the write up that you linked.
But that's not surprising given that they're updating the story almost every minute.
It was in the audio/video, interview statement from Rand Paul.
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If we get that "Is it Democrats or Republicans practicing?" statement confirmed, that's a pretty huge indictment of the left.
If true, he didn't care WHAT Republican he killed. He just wanted to kill Republicans.
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"If we get that "Is it Democrats or Republicans practicing?" statement confirmed, that's a pretty huge indictment of the left."
That's the false flag portion of the event!
The guy is actually one of Trump's love chillrun and was hired to smear the peace loving Antifas.
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^^^^^^If the above is accurate it is spooky as Rush Limbaugh yesterday stated we might have something like this happen after the left supported the severed head thing by a 4th rate comic and then a play assassinating the president along with all the violence and rioting by leftists. Rush said it wouldn't be a stretch for some nutcase to escalate things due to how the left is behaving.
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The shooter is just as likely to be a Republican/conservative/right winger fed up with the BS of the Republican party. Not that political affiliations matter.
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The shooter is just as likely to be a Republican/conservative/right winger fed up with the BS of the Republican party. Not that political affiliations matter.
Not really. The Left, at least in America's recent history, has been much more prone to this sort of thing than the right has been.
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The shooter is just as likely to be a Republican/conservative/right winger fed up with the BS of the Republican party.
Is it bad/too soon for me to hope that's not the case? My initial thoughts are in line with Grampster's.
"Comic" beheadings, applauding absolutely political assassination plays, what I heard this morning about some TV show now bleeping "Trump" the same way the bleep cuss words, applauding antifas who attack innocent people... the list goes on. Within a very compressed period of time, Trump, republicans, and anyone who supports them or even doesn't speak out against them are dehumanized and treated as enemies. People like Hillary Clinton and dem leadership continually and slyly supporting these things with their "continue resisting!" statements only egg people on and enable the nutjobs.
We've already talked here about a lot of the far left creating their "resistance armies" and all of a sudden deciding it would be good to acquire some of the guns that they otherwise hate. In some ways, I'm surprised that the acceptance and encouragement of violence from the left over the last few months hasn't spurred something like this before now as "acceptable resistance". It's still too early to know if this was a "resistor", but recent history and my gut lean in that direction.
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Several of us on this board have said versions of "It's getting worse" and "Violence is coming" since the Oct/Nov time frame. Why the surprise when it starts to happen? I think it likely to come from the left, simply because they are the ones without hope right now and the hopeless are more likely to resort to extremism.
I think it's likely that we are going to seem more political violence in this country. There are a lot of crazies out there, and a whole lot of people telling them the world is ending. SOME of them are going to believe it.
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The shooter is just as likely to be a Republican/conservative/right winger fed up with the BS of the Republican party. Not that political affiliations matter.
I doubt it. I'm guessing a either crazy person or a leftist.
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Maybe castle key or someone can weigh in: It's most likely the news getting things wrong, but I just heard mention that the Capitol Police that were there were armed with revolvers. It's been a while since I saw any of them in person, but I don't recall them carrying revolvers?
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Last I heard Capitol Police were still carrying Glocks or Sigs in .40 as their duty weapons.
Given that Scalise has a protection detail given his position, and they weren't at the capitol at the time, they might have been carrying off duty weapons.
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Maybe castle key or someone can weigh in: It's most likely the news getting things wrong, but I just heard mention that the Capitol Police that were there were armed with revolvers. It's been a while since I saw any of them in person, but I don't recall them carrying revolvers?
"Revolver" is journalism for "sidearm."
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Sorry to derail already, but:
Interviewee: "It was an AK-47"
Reporter: "How do you know?"
Interviewee: "I play video games".
Reporter: "There you have it, a high powered rifle was reportedly used".
Other reporter: "A curved magazine clip".
Other reporter: "A large gauge rifle that may have sprayed up to 100 rounds".
Argh.
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As we know, Virginia has no background checks, and everybody carries concealed rifles.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/874972278576033792
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Several of us on this board have said versions of "It's getting worse" and "Violence is coming" since the Oct/Nov time frame. Why the surprise when it starts to happen? I think it likely to come from the left, simply because they are the ones without hope right now and the hopeless are more likely to resort to extremism.
I think it's likely that we are going to seem more political violence in this country. There are a lot of crazies out there, and a whole lot of people telling them the world is ending. SOME of them are going to believe it.
Ayep.
As always, it's a mix of issues. But yes, we're going back to the good old days of hyper partisan politics and yellow journalism. Think Spanish American War type politics.
People tend to build echo chambers for themselves. Most people on the left get their news from HuffPo, MSNBC, or CNN. People on the right get their news from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News, etc. Accuracy on either side is a joke, and even when accurate it's framed by partisan ideology. The internet offers a huge range of options for news, most of them are not used by most people.
The 24/7 news cycle is also pretty bad 99.9% of the time. Everything is Armageddon, all the time. No context is provided. News by absolutely everyone is fast and generally bad quality. Hence why stories change ten times. Because news agencies push information without actually verifying it.
The other sad aspect of the internet is... Crazy people are being told they're not crazy. No, it's not just people who identify as otherkin transpacific Apache Helicopters. But those types too. Before the interwebz, you had a large number of people with small or large mental issues and they were just crazy. Now, they can and do find other people like themselves. Who tell them they are not crazy. Add in echo chambers, it can get ugly in a hurry. People start seeing other people expressing opinions as Literally Nazis, or Literally Hitler. Or whatever their mind substitutes as being the real world absolutely worst thing that could be created by humans, such as Hawaiian pizza.
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Or whatever their mind substitutes as being the real world absolutely worst thing that could be created by humans, such as Hawaiian pizza.
Hawaiian pizza isn't pizza, but it's still good if assembled properly.
Now, back to the pre-veer veer.
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And the VA Governor during a press briefing: "This is not for today's discussion, but..." Then goes into an anti-gun propaganda tirade that has nothing to do with the case.
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...the real world absolutely worst thing that could be created by humans, such as Hawaiian pizza.
An issue we can agree on. And why do the Hawaiians get a pass on cultural appropriation? :mad:
This should restore our faith in our fellow man:
https://news.grabien.com/story-left-wing-twitter-celebrates-shooting-rep-scalise
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Shooter tentatively being identified as an IL resident. So much for "VA lax gun laws".
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Shooter tentatively being identified as an IL resident. So much for "VA lax gun laws".
Some are reporting that "his" Facebook page is full of Bernie support and Trump hatred. If it's indeed his.
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Several of us on this board have said versions of "It's getting worse" and "Violence is coming" since the Oct/Nov time frame. Why the surprise when it starts to happen? I think it likely to come from the left, simply because they are the ones without hope right now and the hopeless are more likely to resort to extremism.
I think it's likely that we are going to seem more political violence in this country. There are a lot of crazies out there, and a whole lot of people telling them the world is ending. SOME of them are going to believe it.
Feeling hopeless or out of power will certainly exacerbate it, but the Left has ALWAYS had the top rung of the leaderboard for body-count by orders of magnitude since the beginning of the 20th century, because it's ultimately an "ends justify the means" ideology.
This is because the Left is obsessed with the rights of groups. Which in of itself is a negative construct, and an oxymoron, because groups don't have rights. Only individual people do. Just like how we'll sometimes nitpick and tut-tut the nominal Right whenever assertions are made about States Rights, because there is no such thing as "states rights", states may or may not have "powers" but they don't have "rights".
But when you succumb to the pathology of that kind of thinking and group rights, almost any atrocity becomes possible. Because all you need to do is identify a larger needier group (in their minds at least) and any kind of deprivation, down to one's own life becomes acceptable in the name of "the greater good".
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Bernie loving Trump hater is how the shooter has been ID'd. Just one source for now.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/17524/alleged-shooter-identified-james-t-hodgkinson-66-ben-shapiro#
bob
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Oh dear, how are the lefties going to spin this one?
By calling for more gun control!
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Maybe castle key or someone can weigh in: It's most likely the news getting things wrong, but I just heard mention that the Capitol Police that were there were armed with revolvers. It's been a while since I saw any of them in person, but I don't recall them carrying revolvers?
Or "revolver" is used as a generic term for sidearm.
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Or "revolver" is used as a generic term for sidearm.
That is bizarrely common.
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Apparently this is his facebook, https://m.facebook.com/james.hodgkinson.568?tsid=0.009623089090398995&source=result&hc_location=ufi Which is fully of Bernie support and anti-Trump. If true, then this might be lucky for us as the shooting will get dropped from the media pretty quick.
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Already triggered up a lefty on Facebook lol
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Already triggered up a lefty on Facebook lol
Is he going to the gun show, to get a ghost gun?
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The evil loser (reportedly) belonged to a number of anti-Trump, anti-GOP Facebook groups.
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156065789.html
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No! Not possible! This is the false flag!
If he were truly a Bernie supporter, he would never own, or even touch, an evil, evil gun, because Bernie says they are evil!
He was drugged by Carl Rove!
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:facepalm: :facepalm:
I really hope no one but the shooter dies...
Your wish is granted.
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No! Not possible! This is the false flag!
Yeah, I bet Scalise is a crisis actor, just like that fraud, JFK.
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The left gloats over leftist violence at protests. The media calls Trump Hitler. Sounds like someone was listening to them.
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Feeling hopeless or out of power will certainly exacerbate it, but the Left has ALWAYS had the top rung of the leaderboard for body-count by orders of magnitude since the beginning of the 20th century, because it's ultimately an "ends justify the means" ideology.
This is because the Left is obsessed with the rights of groups. Which in of itself is a negative construct, and an oxymoron, because groups don't have rights. Only individual people do. Just like how we'll sometimes nitpick and tut-tut the nominal Right whenever assertions are made about States Rights, because there is no such thing as "states rights", states may or may not have "powers" but they don't have "rights".
But when you succumb to the pathology of that kind of thinking and group rights, almost any atrocity becomes possible. Because all you need to do is identify a larger needier group (in their minds at least) and any kind of deprivation, down to one's own life becomes acceptable in the name of "the greater good".
When you think the ends justify the means, you can get yourself thinking all sorts of actions are good.
IMO, mainstream leftists have been getting more extreme in their statements and actions over the last year. It makes sense to me that non-mainstream leftists might take it a bit further.
I did hear a comment that the main reason men with guns were there to oppose the guy was that one of the Republicans had a security detail.
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:mad:
A congressional hearing scheduled for Wednesday morning to debate gun legislation has been canceled until further notice in the wake of Wednesday's shooting at a Republican congressional baseball practice.
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The measure would make it easier to purchase silencers, transport guns across state lines and ease restrictions on armor-piercing bullets
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I did hear a comment that the main reason men with guns were there to oppose the guy was that one of the Republicans had a security detail.
I think the other Congressmen said that only leadership travels with a security detail. The Majority Whip was the one shot in the hip.
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Apparently this is his facebook, https://m.facebook.com/james.hodgkinson.568?tsid=0.009623089090398995&source=result&hc_location=ufi Which is fully of Bernie support and anti-Trump. If true, then this might be lucky for us as the shooting will get dropped from the media pretty quick.
I suppose it's lucky from the gun debate side, but overall, I think this should be a focus for a while. It may not have any affect on the far, far left, but I'd hope this would grab the attention of flyover dems and left-leaning people to see just how crazy some of their "representatives" in Berkeley, Hollywood, etc. have become.
I also sincerely hope, but doubt, it might cause people like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi to ease off the "RESIST!" crap (I have zero hope for the Maxine Waters types).
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:mad:
A congressional hearing scheduled for Wednesday morning to debate gun legislation has been canceled until further notice in the wake of Wednesday's shooting at a Republican congressional baseball practice.
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The measure would make it easier to purchase silencers, transport guns across state lines and ease restrictions on armor-piercing bullets
One would think it should be just the opposite under a Trump admin and R majority.
I'll give them some leeway for postponing on the day of the incident, but to my mind, this should be a signal to push through for rights of self-protection. I think even the Rs that were on the field were saying "all we had were baseball bats", I think insinuating that more good guys with guns would have been a good thing.
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I think the other Congressmen said that only leadership travels with a security detail. The Majority Whip was the one shot in the hip.
As I said in an earlier post, those in party leadership positions are accorded security details.
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I just heard a broadcast of the House gathering to pray, and pledge allegiance to the flag. I guess now another SJW will be triggered, and attack some people. :facepalm:
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Remember that time that Ronald Reagan supporter shot up some Democratic event?
Neither do I.
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Well, the ranting on the liberal side finally produced a genuine home-grown terrorist.
I wonder if the RESIST people will be happy? Maybe some of them might be shocked into adulthood at the realization that there are adult repercussions for the language they've been using.
I doubt it, though. The late night comedy people will issue another rant on how Trump divided the country so much so it's his fault, with quiet smugness about Republicans (and the NRA!) getting what they deserve--too long have the poor innocent downtrodden inner-city youths been the singular victim of such violence! Now maybe you rich white men will change your dastardly ways and repent!
Glad I bought another AR while they're still cheap. I should get a few thousand rounds of ammo while the deals from yesterday are still live.
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What, that ahole who gunned down what, 12 officers, killing 5, in Dallas wasn't a leftist-generated terrorist?
Oh, wait, no, he was a BLM activist. Totally different.
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Glad I bought another AR while they're still cheap. I should get a few thousand rounds of ammo while the deals from yesterday are still live.
And we've found the left talking point! The gun lobby was behind this to make up for lagging sales (also acceptable, Trump's fault)!
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What, that *expletive deleted*hole who gunned down what, 12 officers, killing 5, in Dallas wasn't a leftist-generated terrorist?
Oh, wait, no, he was a BLM activist. Totally different.
That's true--forgot about him.
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/14/532921612/what-we-know-about-the-suspect-in-gop-baseball-practice-shooting?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170614
Interesting disclaimer at the end of the article, that I think more news outlets should include:
This is a developing story. Some things that get reported by the media will later turn out to be wrong. We will focus on reports from police officials and other authorities, credible news outlets and reporters who are at the scene. We will update as the situation develops.
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http://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532919321/shooting-highlights-role-of-capitol-police?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170614
I learned some things about the Capitol Police from this.
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/14/532921612/what-we-know-about-the-suspect-in-gop-baseball-practice-shooting?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170614
Interesting that Sanders himself has acknowledged the shooter was one of his volunteers.
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Is he going to the gun show, to get a ghost gun?
She blocked me.
Her "The fact is that right wingers out number left mass shootings 50 to 1"
Me "You made that *expletive deleted*it up, come back with real facts."
BLOCKED!
A mutual friend then posted screen captures of her bragging how we wouldn't accept her "facts" and she blocked me.
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The nut's letters to the editor of his hometown paper.
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156092134.html
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Interesting that Sanders himself has acknowledged the shooter was one of his volunteers.
But he immediately blamed NRA for corrupting the purity of his socialist beliefs, right?
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She blocked me.
Her "The fact is that right wingers out number left mass shootings 50 to 1"
Me "You made that *expletive deleted*it up, come back with real facts."
BLOCKED!
A mutual friend then posted screen captures of her bragging how we wouldn't accept her "facts" and she blocked me.
Well, you're just an evil little Trumpite, and you're to blame for all the evil in the world today.
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""The gun was a semiautomatic," Brooks said. "It continued to fire at different people. You can imagine, all the people on the field scatter.""
No you simpleminded -----, the shooter continued to fire, the gun didn't do a damn thing by itself.
Brooks has clarified his viewpoint on gun rights.
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/874995269192089600/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsd-3133%2F2017%2F06%2F14%2Fnailed-it-gop-rep-mo-brooks-issues-perfect-defense-of-2nd-amendment-after-alexandria-shooting%2F
I heard a lot of his comments from earlier this morning, and he seemed to have an understanding of guns.
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Some hilarious replies to anti-gun nutterness:
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/06/14/doh-actor-matthew-modines-2nd-amendment-lecture-backfired-big-time/
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^^^ Some very thoughtful comments from Representative Brooks on the Twitters.
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"But we're not going to get rid of freedom of speech..."
Oh?
Ask the left their views on that.
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But he immediately blamed NRA for corrupting the purity of his socialist beliefs, right?
He was corrupted by white privilege.
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Oh dear, how are the lefties going to spin this one?
By calling for more gun control!
"TRUMP! has ushered in a new era of violence. We're afraid! We MUST do something to curb all this violence!
I know -- let's take all the guns away from the people who aren't causing the violence."
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The nut's letters to the editor of his hometown paper.
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156092134.html
Actually looked at that link. When a guy writes the same letter to the editor every two weeks...
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You know, thank God that no innocent person was killed in all of this.
And I mean that fully: Thank God. I believe that He has given the country grace to step back from an abyss. A chance for the left to realize where they've been pushing.
I doubt very much they will take His chance at clarity and will likely just brush this off. Just as 9/11 failed to wake people up, this too will fail.
His mercy is unfailing, but I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.
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I'm all for bashing the Loony Leftists, but most liberals don't think the way many of you make them sound. In fact, most liberals sound just like us when the roles are reversed. Same sarcasm. Same blame of intolerance. Same view that nothing will change. And even the same bad-mouthing of the bad actors.
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His mercy is unfailing, but I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.
I think I've heard that somewhere before...
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I'm all for bashing the Loony Leftists, but most liberals don't think the way many of you make them sound. In fact, most liberals sound just like us when the roles are reversed. Same sarcasm. Same blame of intolerance. Same view that nothing will change. And even the same bad-mouthing of the bad actors.
Well, except for that part about them being wrong and all...
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I'm all for bashing the Loony Leftists, but most liberals don't think the way many of you make them sound. In fact, most liberals sound just like us when the roles are reversed. Same sarcasm. Same blame of intolerance. Same view that nothing will change. And even the same bad-mouthing of the bad actors.
Most?
You mean the 61% that think Bush likely knew about 9/11 beforehand?
The whatever large percentage that think that Trump, Donald Trump, is about to bring about a "Handmaiden's Tale" in this country?
The people who think that the "CHRISTIAN TALIBAN!" is the scariest thing to exist in the world, and is always waiting to seize this country and start blowing up Buddhas? (Oh, and enact the Handmaiden's Tale that Donald Trump wants, too.)
The ones that think using government force on Christians to bow to their belief system is just how it should be?
That "sane" left?
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"TRUMP! has ushered in a new era of violence. We're afraid! We MUST do something to curb all this violence!
I know -- let's take all the guns away from the people who aren't causing the violence."
Spot on:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/reinforcing-the-boundaries-of-political-decency/530334/
the president of the United States is himself the country’s noisiest inciter of political violence
the U.S. is vulnerable to this crime because targeted killing typically requires access to a gun—and guns are easier to acquire here than in any comparably developed society. We’ll learn more about when the Alexandria murderer decided on his crime, and whether his weapon was legally acquired. The commonwealth of Virginia certainly did its utmost to ease his way, however, by conferring the legal right to move about with an openly brandished rifle.
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The conservative movement of course does not have entirely clean hands. Consider Timothy McVeigh. You all remember Tim, don't you?
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The conservative movement of course does not have entirely clean hands. Consider Timothy McVeigh. You all remember Tim, don't you?
I do. Can you remind me, because I can't seem to recall- how many violent riots, political assassination porn, violent threats on congressmen and their families were going on just prior to Oklahoma City?
I know the right is terribly violent, so maybe I've just forgotten the specifics over the past 20 years.
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Of note, also, McVeigh was 27 at the time of his murders.
27 is right in the middle of the prime 18-35 age for greatest violence and criminality.
This nutjob was 66. Unless he'd had a recent psychological break, that's VERY odd, for a 66 year old to become a nutjob assassin.
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My $.02, for what it's worth, is that politics in general has gotten a lot nastier. Not just the elections, but the way people act on political issues. Growing up, Reagan and O'Neil fought on a lot of issues, but would also have a drink together. There were a lot of cross-party line friends. Doesn't seem that way any longer. Now seems a lot more like you can't be cross-party friends. Can't respectfully disagree. And, from what I see on the net, it gets pretty damn personal, too. Even around here, it's "the Loony Left", and that's polite compared to some things I see on Facebook and other places. And, when it gets nasty and personal, some people will respond. And this is among people towards the middle. Get on the ends of the political spectrum, and it's not only personal. It's not only nasty. For some of them, it's words of war. And I see it on both sides. I'm worried about how ugly it's going to become. And I'm also worried that this incident is the one which removes the taboo from shooting .gov officials, and we end up with others choosing this same type of action.
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I do. Can you remind me, because I can't seem to recall- how many violent riots, political assassination porn, violent threats on congressmen and their families were going on just prior to Oklahoma City?
I know the right is terribly violent, so maybe I've just forgotten the specifics over the past 20 years.
It looks as if you have forgotten some of these violent events on the right, for example when President Obama was elected, but since they were reported in the MSM, perhaps you discount such reports. A quick Google will pull up the data for you. The point is that neither side has clean hands, despite the efforts of one side to demonize the other. This ties in with what Chris is saying.
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The conservative movement of course does not have entirely clean hands. Consider Timothy McVeigh. You all remember Tim, don't you?
Huh? I don't recall anyone saying that the Right is staffed entirely by saints.
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It looks as if you have forgotten some of these violent events on the right, for example when President Obama was elected, but since they were reported in the MSM, perhaps you discount such reports. A quick Google will pull up the data for you. The point is that neither side has clean hands, despite the efforts of one side to demonize the other. This ties in with what Chris is saying.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/305749-republicans-employ-double-standard-to-discredit
Here's the article I'm sure that you read. I'll note they quote ONE (1) specific incident for which they provide details and then do a lot of handwaving around the rest. (Including a GREAT many that were hoaxes... but since they didn't provide any details, I can't show it because they purposely tried to obscure that fact.)
As I said, show me the riots. Show me the widespread violence. There are always scattered examples of attacks around elections. (For example, the fake attack a Romney election worker claimed to have been subjected to.)
THIS kind of violence is unprecedented, at least in my politically aware lifetime. (that's 30+ years)
If we want to go back to the last time it was violent like this, you'd have to get to the Weathermen and the Black Panthers... oh hey, it's the left again! (I should say, "STILL" since the very same people responsible for the violence are now the leaders of the left.)
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This nutjob was 66. Unless he'd had a recent psychological break, that's VERY odd, for a 66 year old to become a nutjob assassin.
Only if he wasn't already a nutjob. Given what I'm seeing of his past, nutjob describes pretty much his entire adult life.
Brad
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My $.02, for what it's worth, is that politics in general has gotten a lot nastier. Not just the elections, but the way people act on political issues. Growing up, Reagan and O'Neil fought on a lot of issues, but would also have a drink together. There were a lot of cross-party line friends. Doesn't seem that way any longer. Now seems a lot more like you can't be cross-party friends. Can't respectfully disagree. And, from what I see on the net, it gets pretty damn personal, too. Even around here, it's "the Loony Left", and that's polite compared to some things I see on Facebook and other places. And, when it gets nasty and personal, some people will respond. And this is among people towards the middle. Get on the ends of the political spectrum, and it's not only personal. It's not only nasty. For some of them, it's words of war. And I see it on both sides. I'm worried about how ugly it's going to become. And I'm also worried that this incident is the one which removes the taboo from shooting .gov officials, and we end up with others choosing this same type of action.
I'm frightened. My wife works to be politically neutral on facebook and has been shaken by things the leftists want. The visceral hatred they show frightens her, as they have clearly stated they want to destroy the livelihood of anyone who voted for Trump.
I used to think the left was just mistaken and misguided. Now that the mask is off, I see that they are actively evil.
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My $.02, for what it's worth, is that politics in general has gotten a lot nastier. Not just the elections, but the way people act on political issues. Growing up, Reagan and O'Neil fought on a lot of issues, but would also have a drink together. There were a lot of cross-party line friends. Doesn't seem that way any longer. Now seems a lot more like you can't be cross-party friends. Can't respectfully disagree. And, from what I see on the net, it gets pretty damn personal, too. Even around here, it's "the Loony Left", and that's polite compared to some things I see on Facebook and other places. And, when it gets nasty and personal, some people will respond. And this is among people towards the middle. Get on the ends of the political spectrum, and it's not only personal. It's not only nasty. For some of them, it's words of war. And I see it on both sides. I'm worried about how ugly it's going to become. And I'm also worried that this incident is the one which removes the taboo from shooting .gov officials, and we end up with others choosing this same type of action.
Nah. It's cyclical.
Witness the era of Jefferson vs. Hamilton vs. Burr. Buying/creating newspapers to slander each other, culminating in an actual duel where Hamilton died.
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While certainly problems exist across the political spectrum, the problem I'm seeing is the mainstreaming of violence oriented "resistance".
When Obama was elected, the mainstream "resistance" everyone in the MSM and elsewhere pointed to was the Tea Party. People whose most quirky behavior was occasionally wearing funny hats and cleaning up after themselves at protests. Mainstream as of now seems to be the antifas. Pepper spray and urine bombs are a long ways from funny hats and Gadsden flags.
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Nah. It's cyclical.
Witness the era of Jefferson vs. Hamilton vs. Burr. Buying/creating newspapers to slander each other, culminating in an actual duel where Hamilton died.
Yep. Another era I was just reading about was the American imperialism fad around the Spanish American War. Nasty politics combined with an age of yellow journalism.
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"One down, 216 to go"
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337782-gop-rep-received-threatening-email-with-subject-line-one-down-216-to-go-after
The person who sent the email then wrote in the body of the email, "Did you NOT expect this?"
"Did you NOT expect this? When you take away ordinary peoples very lives in order to pay off the wealthiest among us, your own lives are forfeit. Certainly, your souls and morality were lost long before. Good riddance,” the email said.
Yep . . . this is going to end well . . .
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"One down, 216 to go"
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337782-gop-rep-received-threatening-email-with-subject-line-one-down-216-to-go-after
Yep . . . this is going to end well . . .
What's that Matt Bracken has been saying for a while about us being "one mag dump" away from CW2?
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"One down, 216 to go"
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337782-gop-rep-received-threatening-email-with-subject-line-one-down-216-to-go-after
Yep . . . this is going to end well . . .
That sad thing is that someone on some discussion board that text you quoted makes sense.
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My $.02, for what it's worth, is that politics in general has gotten a lot nastier. Not just the elections, but the way people act on political issues. Growing up, Reagan and O'Neil fought on a lot of issues, but would also have a drink together. There were a lot of cross-party line friends. Doesn't seem that way any longer. Now seems a lot more like you can't be cross-party friends. Can't respectfully disagree. And, from what I see on the net, it gets pretty damn personal, too. Even around here, it's "the Loony Left", and that's polite compared to some things I see on Facebook and other places. And, when it gets nasty and personal, some people will respond. And this is among people towards the middle. Get on the ends of the political spectrum, and it's not only personal. It's not only nasty. For some of them, it's words of war. And I see it on both sides. I'm worried about how ugly it's going to become. And I'm also worried that this incident is the one which removes the taboo from shooting .gov officials, and we end up with others choosing this same type of action.
I try to refer to them as leftists to differentiate a little bit. I know a couple of people who think they are liberal. They aren't crazy, but if I asked them to explain exactly why they don't like Trump, I doubt I would get a substantive reply that I could understand and respond to. One is an engineer I worked with in the past. We talked politics a little. He seemed to believe every media rumor about Republicans as fact and dismissed every media rumor about Democrats as baseless (including a lot of documented facts). He was sure his POV was correct. I could argue with him a bit about specific things, and we might agree on what the end result ought to be, but we very much disagreed on the means to get there and which politicians were likely to do it.
One of the biggest differences I see is most Republican voters I hear from despise their elected officials (outside a very few) but vote for them anyway. I don't see many liberals who feel that way about the Democrats they vote for. I am sure there are some, but I don't see it.
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Huh? I don't recall anyone saying that the Right is staffed entirely by saints.
Saints and sinners on all sides, in my opinion. The difficulty is in using the saints or the sinners to argue that they represent the whole.
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One of the biggest differences I see if most Republican voters I hear from despise their elected officials (outside a very few) but vote for them anyway. I don't see many liberals who feel that way about the Democrats they vote for. I am sure there are some, but I don't see it.
Boy, I don't think I really see that here in Washington, at least at the state legislative level. There was a great deal of wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the state Republican party leadership regarding candidate Trump, though.
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That sad thing is that someone on some discussion board that text you quoted makes sense.
Professor John Griffin, for instance: http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9154
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I used to think the left was just mistaken and misguided. Now that the mask is off, I see that they are actively evil.
Welcome to reality ...
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Some cell phone video taken at the scene of the attack. Not particularly informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXiXxBI2L4A
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Of course VA Governor Terry McAuliffe couldn't resist a stab at "Gun Control." He stated that 93,000,000 Americans die daily from gun violence.
At least many, many, many felons have had their rights restored by him so that they can now add to that body count..... after all, it's not criminals that kill but mechanical objects and white Christian males....
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I'm all for bashing the Loony Leftists, but most liberals don't think the way many of you make them sound. In fact, most liberals sound just like us when the roles are reversed. Same sarcasm. Same blame of intolerance. Same view that nothing will change. And even the same bad-mouthing of the bad actors.
People are people, man. Hyper-partisanship may be getting worse--it's hard to tell. We'll find out.
We live in the safest, most productive, healthiest, objectively best in almost every way, time in human history. The Internet and the 24-hour news cycle, along with the way people idealize the past, makes it hard to see that sometimes.
As much as I dislike the way the media handles things, they're selling a product and we're all buying it so I can't get too mad at them either.
The world's a complicated place. On both sides you can see the casual dehumanization of the other side and that's what leads to this type of thing. It's easier to kill when you're killing 'monsters' and 'bad guys', 'leftists' and 'fascists', 'whack-jobs' and 'evil'.
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It looks as if you have forgotten some of these violent events on the right, for example when President Obama was elected, but since they were reported in the MSM, perhaps you discount such reports. A quick Google will pull up the data for you. The point is that neither side has clean hands, despite the efforts of one side to demonize the other. This ties in with what Chris is saying.
What "violent events"? A few backwoods hicks hanging effigies in their 30 person town? Not even close to the country wide crazy we have seen come from the left time and time again.
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the news coverage, and the outrage from the dhimmicrats, sure is not the same with this shooting, as it was with the Gabby Giffords event. Eh?
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I've seen reports that he had an AR-15, that he had an AK-47, and that he had an SKS. Does anyone know which (if any of the above) is correct?
If he had an SKS or similar, I'm sure the media will nonetheless portray it as an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon." They're already calling it a "high-powered rifle" even without knowing what it was. My dilemma is: for the spreadsheet I've started keeping to track these sorts of events, is it better to log an SKS as an "assault weapon" even though it's not, or to stay close to the definitions and consider an SKS to be a non-assaulty semi-automatic rifle?
If it does turn out to have been an SKS, and the usual suspects do portray it as an assault weapon, I hope we'll all take them to task for it.
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I've seen reports that he had an AR-15, that he had an AK-47, and that he had an SKS. Does anyone know which (if any of the above) is correct?
If he had an SKS or similar, I'm sure the media will nonetheless portray it as an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon." They're already calling it a "high-powered rifle" even without knowing what it was. My dilemma is: for the spreadsheet I've started keeping to track these sorts of events, is it better to log an SKS as an "assault weapon" even though it's not, or to stay close to the definitions and consider an SKS to be a non-assaulty semi-automatic rifle?
If it does turn out to have been an SKS, and the usual suspects do portray it as an assault weapon, I hope we'll all take them to task for it.
Bayonet lug makes an "assault weapon" according to the '94 ban... You know, because of all those drive by bayonetings that happened.
Anyhoo... back to the subject at hand. As far as I'm concerned, we haven't yet reached the level of violence that was going on the 70's, but, as of today, it looks like we are getting there. =| I think this event will rally they Antifa groups, not dissuade them.
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If it does turn out to have been an SKS, and the usual suspects do portray it as an assault weapon, I hope we'll all take them to task for it.
'Cuz that's been so helpful in the past. =|
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one witness was saying that the weapon used had a curved magazine, and he thought it was an AK
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Bayonet lug makes an "assault weapon" according to the '94 ban... You know, because of all those drive by bayonetings that happened.
No, not according to the criteria established in the 1994 federal AWB. First, it ONLY applied to rifles with detachable magazines -- the SKS doesn't. Then, IF you had a detachable magazine, it was only an "assault weapon" if it had at least TWO of the following:
- Folding or telescoping stock
- Pistol grip
- Bayonet mount
- Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
- Grenade launcher moun
No folding stock
No pistol grip
No grenade launcher
Do they all have both a bayonet lug and a flash suppressor?[/list]
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Don't forget the shoulder thing that goes up.
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Don't forget the shoulder thing that goes up.
Absolutely correct. You don't want to forget that. It's the most lethal part of the gun.
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I'm pretty sure most the comblock surplus have both lug and flash suppressors, and the conversion between nondetachble and detachable mag isn't exactly a challenge.
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If it was a Yugo it more than likely had a grenade mount, not all types do though.
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The Washington Post has reprinted (for educational purposes, of course) a political cartoon that shows Steve Scalise talking to klansmen. Um, they didn't publish any of Charlie Hebdo's anti-Muhammad cartoons, did they? =|
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Congresscritters still can't get over the notion that they should be subject to the same laws they pass for the rest of us. At least one Congresscritter has seen the light, and thinks Congresscritters should be allowed to carry guns for self defense when in Washington, DC, so he's proposing that DC be required to extend reciprocal recognition to carry permits issued by the states.
Oh ... but only for members of Congress. Not for you and me. Get back to digging your blocks of peat, you lowly serf.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/barry-loudermilk-wants-concealed-carry-for-lawmakers-in-dc-after-scalise-shooting/article/2625970
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So the NYT
1) Decides to talk about how the Giffords attack was worse and it was Sarah Palin's fault, because she created a much more violent prelude for that attack than the antifas and everyone else did for this attack (I think this kinda relates back to my comment about the Tea Party and their Gadsden flags vs antifas and urine bombs).
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/06/14/new-york-times-determined-to-find-political-balance-in-shootings-even-if-means-reviving-old-lie/
2) Are completely flabbergasted that Republicans, instead of calling for gun control, are calling for ways to keep people from bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/06/15/there-they-go-again-ny-times-doubles-down-on-post-shooting-shamelessness/
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So the NYT
1) Decides to talk about how the Giffords attack was worse and it was Sarah Palin's fault, because she created a much more violent prelude for that attack than the antifas and everyone else did for this attack (I think this kinda relates back to my comment about the Tea Party and their Gadsden flags vs antifas and urine bombs).
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/06/14/new-york-times-determined-to-find-political-balance-in-shootings-even-if-means-reviving-old-lie/
2) Are completely flabbergasted that Republicans, instead of calling for gun control, are calling for ways to keep people from bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/06/15/there-they-go-again-ny-times-doubles-down-on-post-shooting-shamelessness/
Of course they do. And you know what? I no longer believe they are intentionally lying about Giffords being assassinated by Palin. I think they've told the lie so often they DO believe it. There are 5 lights.
They no longer inhabit reality.
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Of course they do. And you know what? I no longer believe they are intentionally lying about Giffords being assassinated by Palin. I think they've told the lie so often they DO believe it. There are 5 lights.
They no longer inhabit reality.
Oh, apparently the NYT updated the story (I won't say "corrected" because they didn't correct it, they changed it.) Someone must have pointed out that printing such obvious and completely debunked falsehoods opens them up to libel suits, even by a public figure.
So they've gone from explicitly stating that Palin assassinated Giffords through her mind control of the nutjob to just implying it.
Classy.
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I've seen reports that he had an AR-15, that he had an AK-47, and that he had an SKS. Does anyone know which (if any of the above) is correct?
If he had an SKS or similar, I'm sure the media will nonetheless portray it as an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon." They're already calling it a "high-powered rifle" even without knowing what it was. My dilemma is: for the spreadsheet I've started keeping to track these sorts of events, is it better to log an SKS as an "assault weapon" even though it's not, or to stay close to the definitions and consider an SKS to be a non-assaulty semi-automatic rifle?
If it does turn out to have been an SKS, and the usual suspects do portray it as an assault weapon, I hope we'll all take them to task for it.
As of this morning (6/15/17) an SKS.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-scalise-shooting-legally-purchased-assault-rifle-sources/story?id=48051990 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-scalise-shooting-legally-purchased-assault-rifle-sources/story?id=48051990)
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How nice that they call him the "baseball shooter." It's just like how they refer to Jared Loffner* as the "airport shooter," right?
*He doesn't deserve my looking up the correct spelling of his name. I would just call him "the guy who murdered six people, and started another fund-raising scheme for gun control," but that's a bit unwieldy.
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I don't know if they meant to or not, but the NYT just published the most postive peice on Republican politicians that I've ever seen.
Shaken and angry, Republican members of Congress seized on the brazen daytime shooting of their colleagues on Wednesday to demand that existing restrictions on gun access be loosened so that people facing similar attacks are able to defend themselves.
Past shootings have brought calls for more gun control, especially for restrictions on the kind of rifle used in Wednesday’s attack. But the ardent supporters of gun rights who came under fire this time were not about to change their views.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/targeted-republicans-gun-laws-alexandria-virginia-baseball-shooting.html
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As of this morning (6/15/17) an SKS.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-scalise-shooting-legally-purchased-assault-rifle-sources/story?id=48051990 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-scalise-shooting-legally-purchased-assault-rifle-sources/story?id=48051990)
So a Semi-automatic rifle without a pistol grip and a fixed 10 round magazine is an assault weapon now? This is gonna really suck for CA residents when Sacramento finds out.
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Of course it is, silly non-politically correct, non-transgender, non-everything else fascist hater!
All guns is assault weapons! All assault weapons is hyperslaughter machines!
All Republicans is fascists!
All white males are racist oppressors!
All of which makes us...
A minority.
Power, brother!
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Sean Spicier:
In light of recent events, all House GOP members will be required to take Greg Gianforte's Self Defense Course
:lol:
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This is gonna really suck for CA residents when Sacramento finds out.
Yeah . . . as if it didn't already . . .
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I don't know if they meant to or not, but the NYT just published the most postive peice on Republican politicians that I've ever seen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/targeted-republicans-gun-laws-alexandria-virginia-baseball-shooting.html
I have to say, I am proud of every statement that I have heard so far from Rs that have been interviewed about this. They have all said gun control is not even a topic, and that (depending on the interviewee) they have CCWs and plan on using them more; plan on getting CCWs; or have said they will continue to go about their business in public and not request any special security.
On the other hand, the one CA dem I heard interviewed (I didn't catch his name) said that he did not want his colleagues "running around with guns" and further, that the right thing to do is get full time security for all members of the house and senate. Way to play the "me not thee" card, man. Especially on my dime.
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On the other hand, the one CA dem I heard interviewed (I didn't catch his name) said that he did not want his colleagues "running around with guns" and further, that the right thing to do is get full time security for all members of the house and senate. Way to play the "me not thee" card, man. Especially on my dime.
Let's see...435 members of the House, 100 in the Senate. A protection detail is at least 2-3 bare minimum. Three shifts a day, seven days a week means 21 shifts per week. Looking at ballpark 20 agents a week per Congresscritter, so were looking about hiring 11,000 security officers under this guy's plan... Some quick research indicates that there are just about 14,000 FBI Special Agents on the payroll now. So, let's create an FBI sized agency tasked with providing full time security to all Reps and Senators. Oh, want to provide security for their families, too? Better make that 30,000, to covers spouses and children.
Yeah, sure. Why not? It's only money...
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Yeah, sure. Why not? It's only other people's money...
FIFY
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I received another hysterical, anti-gun e-mail from one of my anti-gun U.S. senators today. He claims that the baseball shooting is the 154th "mass shooting" in 2017. I guess I haven't been paying attention, because I'm not aware of anything close to that number. Does anyone know of any that I've missed?
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I received another hysterical, anti-gun e-mail from one of my anti-gun U.S. senators today. He claims that the baseball shooting is the 154th "mass shooting" in 2017. I guess I haven't been paying attention, because I'm not aware of anything close to that number. Does anyone know of any that I've missed?
Don't a certain amount of people have to die for it to be considered a mass shooting?
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Don't a certain amount of people have to die for it to be considered a mass shooting?
I think they changed the definition from 4 or more deaths to 1 or more triggerings.
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I think they changed the definition from 4 or more deaths to 1 or more triggerings.
They must have. 154 this year would mean one per day -- EVERY day -- since the first of the year. I don't believe it. I wrote back and asked for documentation of the other 153, but I don't expect a response.
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:rofl: It looks like CNN reported that the SKS is a Chinese AK variant. :rofl:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-sks-rifle-reportedly-used-in-virginia-mass-shooting-is-not-an-ak-variant/
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Oh, stop. Next you'll tell us it's not really a "high-powered" rifle.
(Hint: The 7.62x39 typically has slightly less muzzle energy than the good old, all-American .30-30. I don't think I've ever heard a journalist classify the thutty-thutty as a high-powered rifle.))
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I don't think I've ever heard a journalist classify the thutty-thutty as a high-powered rifle.
Isn't that some sort of American made AK-15? Definitely a high powered rifle.
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I received another hysterical, anti-gun e-mail from one of my anti-gun U.S. senators today. He claims that the baseball shooting is the 154th "mass shooting" in 2017. I guess I haven't been paying attention, because I'm not aware of anything close to that number. Does anyone know of any that I've missed?
Whatever definition they're using, most of the mass shootings are inner city shootings, in democrat run strongholds.
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Oh, stop. Next you'll tell us it's not really a "high-powered" rifle.
(Hint: The 7.62x39 typically has slightly less muzzle energy than the good old, all-American .30-30. I don't think I've ever heard a journalist classify the thutty-thutty as a high-powered rifle.))
So far, I haven't seen a really solid definition for "high-powered rifle."
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So far, I haven't seen a really solid definition for "high-powered rifle."
Me either.
I have taking to telling my gun illiterate friends, acquaintances, and Facebook antagonists that they are gun illiterate, and they don't get to tell me what "High powered", "Intermediate Powered" or "Low Powered" cartridges are. I'm the gun guy, I actually load these cartridges, I actually shoot them, I actually modify guns designed to hold them and am familiar with the pressures and forces, so MY opinion is what counts. Basically "I don't tell you how to cook Kale or make a tofurky, you don't get to tell me about firearms."
I did have one young college female student (Daughter of one of the Mrs' coworkers) argue that one didn't need to be an expert to talk about things. So I told her to stop trying to lib-splain over me, it was insulting and a micro-aggression. She got three posts and about 1200 words into explaining that as a white male I didn't understand micro-aggression and wasn't qualified to point on out to her, the woke feminist, and that I sounded like an idiot to anyone that knew anything on the subject before she realized. =D
FWIW, and roughly*, for rifles:
Low power-Rimfire or Pistol cartridge in a rifle.
Medium or intermediate- anything centerfire under about 2000 ft/lbs at the muzzle. 7.62x39, 5.56, .30-30, .300 BLK and the like. The "Assault Rifle" calibers
High Powered- more than medium. .308 and up.
*Mandatory gun forum disclaimer: Obviously there are a TON of cartridges and loadings. above are rough numbers for educating non-gunnies that want to learn. If you're about to bring up a something like .276 Pederson, anything any Arisaka was chambered in, or a wildcat that was in one article in the 1959 issue of Guns and Ammo, these categories aren't for you.
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So I just saw a replay of a Nancy Pelosi interview from yesterday in which she called Republicans sanctimonious for calling out the building rhetoric and violence that led to the shooting. She basically said it was Trump's fault and how dare they be upset. She actually looked really pissed off, versus her usual look and attitude, which actually is sanctimonious.
This being said only hours after she called for "unity".
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I did have one young college female student (Daughter of one of the Mrs' coworkers) argue that one didn't need to be an expert to talk about things. So I told her to stop trying to lib-splain over me, it was insulting and a micro-aggression. She got three posts and about 1200 words into explaining that as a white male I didn't understand micro-aggression and wasn't qualified to point on out to her, the woke feminist, and that I sounded like an idiot to anyone that knew anything on the subject before she realized. =D
It's awesome when people hoist themselves by their own petard. :laugh:
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And CNN steps on its biased again:
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/06/15/cnns-video-of-the-democratic-team-gathering-for-a-pre-game-prayer-is-half-true-at-least/
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http://www.salon.com/2017/06/14/lessons-of-the-baseball-shooting-gun-violence-feeds-on-itself-and-even-now-republicans-wont-listen/
The gun industry and the National Rifle Association market guns with promises that owning guns will make a customer feel manly and powerful, and that fantasy has a power that can transcend political boundaries.
I don't think they really do that, but what's the alternative? Gun ads that make the customer feel girly and vulnerable? Marketing that doesn't appeal to anyone on any level? Anyway, I'm pretty sure Steve Scalise isn't in the ICU because of a fantasy wound, or because his attacker felt powerful. Guns are powerful, just like other power tools. (And I don't see DeWalt de-emphasizing the power of their hammer drills.)
Well, that's probably the least objectionable part of that article. My favorite line is this one, accusing scary white conservatives of:
...a widespread loathing for liberals and their insistence on rational evidence...
:lol:
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Not surprisingly, the bleateratti get it wrong.
http://prospect.org/article/virginia-shooting-isnt-about-bernie-it’s-about-right’s-embrace-guns
First sentence : "Soon after James Hodgkinson brought an AR-15 assault rifle to a baseball field in suburban Virginia and opened fire, injuring Republican politicians and staffers, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich offered his explanation for this horrific incident"
Best mental gymnastic: "He may have justified his rage with a layer of political rhetoric, but that has nothing to do with Sanders, Sanders’s supporters, or the broader American left. The attempt to “normalize” Hodgkinson as a typical Sanders supporter—or even as a strident Sanders supporter—is totally off-base." But it's just fine to assert that the problem is gun owners? Who, btw, VASTLY outnumber the number of Berndroids in this country.
Foolish, no-nothing drivel.
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Whatever definition they're using, most of the mass shootings are inner city shootings, in democrat run strongholds.
So, if a white shoots someone, is that cultural appropriation?
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Not surprisingly, the bleateratti get it wrong.
http://prospect.org/article/virginia-shooting-isnt-about-bernie-it’s-about-right’s-embrace-guns
Best mental gymnastic: "He may have justified his rage with a layer of political rhetoric, but that has nothing to do with Sanders, Sanders’s supporters, or the broader American left. The attempt to “normalize” Hodgkinson as a typical Sanders supporter—or even as a strident Sanders supporter—is totally off-base."
I've been meaning to say something about "normalizing." They've been using this "normalize" word about Trump and Republicans for a while now, especially since the election. It fascinates me, because it's just another instance of projection. How much normalizing of hateful rhetoric did they have to do before a comedienne thought it would be acceptable to publish graphic murder-porn about a duly-elected president? Is the Left going to apologize for making it "normal" to have a violent riot anytime a black criminal is shot in self-defense, or someone on a college campus dares to dissent from far Left ideology? How else did the Left accomplish its same-sex marriage goal, but by normalizing something that was too vile to talk about just a few decades ago? Many more examples will occur to you.
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I don't think we've noted it, but the media is going to their customary playbook.
Something puts a bad light on Republicans? The event is the news.
Something puts a bad light on the Democrats? Republican reaction is the news.
Already, the media is using the "REPUBLICANS POUNCE!" template for an attempted assassination of multiple Republican members of congress by a deranged Democrat.
https://apnews.com/61f046284d4e43059ee6fb3364cc2295/Dems-bridle-as-some-in-GOP-blame-shooting-on-the-left
For their part, some Republicans seem taken aback by an intensity on the left that threatens to overwhelm them in the 2018 midterm elections. Tired of being in a defensive crouch as Trump comes under attack from Democrats and the media for breeching political norms, some jumped at the opportunity to turn the tables and contend that Democrats, too, are part of the problem.
(Emphasis added)
After falsely blaming Republicans for the nutjob that murdered a Republican judge and shot Rep. Giffords, THIS SAME MEDIA is now aghast that anyone could ever think that innocent political rhetoric could incite someone to violence.
"Journalists".... I don't think there's any lower form of life on this planet.
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Oh hey, looks like "Democrat Congressional Staffer" is vying with journalist for that title:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/15/congressional-staffers-boo-trump-unity-baseball-ga/
Dozens of congressional staffers erupted into boos, jeers and even vulgar gesticulations Thursday when President Trump appeared in a video at the Congressional Baseball Game at Nationals Park.
So the Democrats can't even PRETEND to be civil during the very game that was supposed to showcase the "unity" in the face of the attack.
How shocking that they inspired an assassin.
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Oh hey, looks like "Democrat Congressional Staffer" is vying with journalist for that title:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/15/congressional-staffers-boo-trump-unity-baseball-ga/
So the Democrats can't even PRETEND to be civil during the very game that was supposed to showcase the "unity" in the face of the attack.
How shocking that they inspired an assassin.
Remember when a congressman told Obama "you lie!" (which turned out to be the accurate) and it was like the end of the world with the "how dare he?" stuff? Now it's hip though.
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Remember when a congressman told Obama "you lie!" (which turned out to be the accurate) and it was like the end of the world with the "how dare he?" stuff? Now it's hip though.
As I mentioned before, what was Racism! then is Resistance! now.
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As I mentioned before, what was Racism! then is Resistance! now.
This would make an excellent T-shirt, and I would proudly buy and wear one.
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As if we needed more proof:
https://heatst.com/politics/nj-democratic-strategist-starts-huntrepublicans-and-huntrepublicancongressman/
After a shooter in Alexandria left House Majority Whip Steve Scalise in critical condition and wounded four other people, a longtime New Jersey Democratic political strategist responded by introducing the hashtags #HuntRepublicans and #HuntRepublicanCongressmen.
“We are in a war with selfish, foolish & narcissistic rich people,” wrote James Devine on Twitter. “Why is it a shock when things turn violent? #HuntRepublicanCongressmen.”
*sigh*
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There's a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Intelligence can give you the ability to do a thing, wisdom tells you if you should or not.
In my experience many progressives are profoundly stupid and all of them are profoundly unwise.
The more intelligent progressives become opinion leaders and ranking politicians and media types, the dumber ones join anti-fa and post commie crap online and such.
So this guy with his new hashtags could be smart enough to be an engineer or a chemist or whatever (probably not, though) but yet he's so unwise that he cannot grasp the consequences of what he is doing.
They are all like this in terms of wisdom. As politically cunning as they may be they cannot see more than a few steps down the path. A path, that if continued down, will lead to a mass amount of violence and destruction. All because they cannot control themselves.
I know we have some hotheads on our side. Unwise louts that mouth off and do things they shouldn't.
Our guys are amateurs compared to theirs. Also there's far fewer on our side than theirs and it seems we have better control over our louts then they do over theirs.
Of course whatever happens, they'll blame us. But when everything is unpacked by the historians whenever the conflict ends there will be a line from progressive actions straight to the unpleasantness.
And the most frustrating thing about it all is that they're too stupid to talk to! They simply do not, and cannot understand.
We're being lead to a chasm by a Conga line of fools, idiots, and barbarians.
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So I just saw a replay of a Nancy Pelosi interview from yesterday in which she called Republicans sanctimonious for calling out the building rhetoric and violence that led to the shooting. She basically said it was Trump's fault and how dare they be upset. She actually looked really pissed off, versus her usual look and attitude, which actually is sanctimonious.
This being said only hours after she called for "unity".
"Unity" meaning "Everyone must agree with me."
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As if we needed more proof:
https://heatst.com/politics/nj-democratic-strategist-starts-huntrepublicans-and-huntrepublicancongressman/
*sigh*
Ooooooooh, I bet he just earned himself a visit for one of the NotFun federal agenicies...
And may find himself in front of federal judge trying to 'splain how that is not a direct threat....
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I received another hysterical, anti-gun e-mail from one of my anti-gun U.S. senators today. He claims that the baseball shooting is the 154th "mass shooting" in 2017. I guess I haven't been paying attention, because I'm not aware of anything close to that number. Does anyone know of any that I've missed?
Apparently (as if we didn't know it) it's all in how you define "mass shooting."
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/mass-shootings-2017/
So, depending on whose definition you choose to follow, by April the United States had seen 91 mass shootings in 2017. Unless it was 122 ... or only one.
Or maybe some other number. Or not.
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It appears he had an assassination list on him. I'm curious if he came up with it on his own, or if he was influenced by radical websites or organizations who are coming up with a "standardized" (for lack of a better word) list of republicans they want gone, politically or otherwise.
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/06/16/daily-caller-alexandria-shooter-had-house-republican-assassination-list-on-him/
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It appears he had an assassination list on him. I'm curious if he came up with it on his own, or if he was influenced by radical websites or organizations who are coming up with a "standardized" (for lack of a better word) list of republicans they want gone, politically or otherwise.
What, not "normalized"?
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So, if a white shoots someone, is that cultural appropriation?
I laughed.
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So, if a white shoots someone, is that cultural appropriation?
If you're not Chinese, and shoot someone, it's cultural appropriation.
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If you're not Chinese, and shoot someone, it's cultural appropriation.
I have a distinct feeling that a lot of cultural appropriation tickets will be handed out on July 4th. Is that a misdemeanor or felony by the way? Must I report myself, or will there be watchers?
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Bruce "Caitlyn" Jenner: "Liberals can't even shoot straight."
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/06/19/caitlyn-jenner-ripped-for-comment-about-scalise-shooting-liberals-cant-even-shoot-straight.html
Not sure if the outrage is for making light of an attempted assassination or for identifying the shooter as a liberal.
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Bruce "Caitlyn" Jenner: "Liberals can't even shoot straight."
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/06/19/caitlyn-jenner-ripped-for-comment-about-scalise-shooting-liberals-cant-even-shoot-straight.html
Not sure if the outrage is for making light of an attempted assassination or for identifying the shooter as a liberal.
I've heard that... Jenner is pretty conservative.
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I've heard that... Jenner is pretty conservative.
Except for the whole "transgender" mental illness thing...
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Except for the whole "transgender" mental illness thing...
Nobody's perfect.
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Except for the whole "transgender" mental illness thing...
I have quite a bit less issue with that one vs. the Communist mental illness.
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I have quite a bit less issue with that one vs. the Communist mental illness.
Bingo.
The ones that REALLY tick me off, though, are the gay commies who are wearing Che shirts.
Uhm, you do realize just what Che thought of your kind, right?
And then you get the whole right wing lies/fascist/gay hater mantra.
I really think that being a gay socialist/communist so *expletive deleted*s up peoples' brains that they're no longer able to think critically or process factual information.
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Bingo.
The ones that REALLY tick me off, though, are the gay commies who are wearing Che shirts.
Uhm, you do realize just what Che thought of your kind, right?
And then you get the whole right wing lies/fascist/gay hater mantra.
I really think that being a gay socialist/communist so *expletive deleted*s up peoples' brains that they're no longer able to think critically or process factual information.
Just being a leftie means that you are no longer able to think critically or process factual information.
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I really think that being a gay socialist/communist so *expletive deleted*s up peoples' brains that they're no longer able to think critically or process factual information.
You are assuming facts not in evidence. "No longer able to think critically or process factual information" implies that, at one time, they were able to do so. I submit that many of them were never able to do so, which may explain the way they are.
And don't overlook the possibility that they may simply be processing "alternate facts."
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-for-weeks-alexandria-shooter-hung-out-1497476334-htmlstory.html
Has anyone else been wondering how he knew where to find a bunch of GOP Congressmen in a vulnerable position? [tinfoil]
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I don't really think it was a state secret that they practiced there.
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I don't really think it was a state secret that they practiced there.
OK, sure. Open source intelligence is still intelligence, though. Did someone suggest it to him as a likely place?
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OK, sure. Open source intelligence is still intelligence, though. Did someone suggest it to him as a likely place?
Who knows, but if he found that out and then used Google Earth/Maps he could probably draw up a plan (good/bad).
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Has anyone else been wondering how he knew where to find a bunch of GOP Congressmen in a vulnerable position? [tinfoil]
The NY Times ran an article back in April that mentioned the early morning practice sessions. He moved from his home state to live in the YMCA shortly after reading the article ... The info was not exactly top secret so he may have been able to find it any number of places ...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/ny-times-tipped-off-shooter-gop-practice-field/
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The NY Times ran an article back in April that mentioned the early morning practice sessions.
Oh, OK.
I didn't say the shooter was privy to confidential information. It's just interesting that someone from well outside the Beltway knew that a bunch of Congressmen would be at that place, at that time. Being outside the Beltway myself, I don't know whether security was more or less present there. I wonder if the shooter knew.
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My understanding is that if Scalise wasn't there, neither would security .
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My understanding is that if Scalise wasn't there, neither would security .
Correct. As Rand Paul pointed out, without Scalise's security, the attack would have been a massacre.
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My understanding is that if Scalise wasn't there, neither would security .
I think I, and others, have pointed that out about 10 times in this thread. =)
If Mr. Trigger-happy was getting his ideas from that NYT article, it's interesting that he chose an event where he was assured security would be present.
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it's interesting that he chose an event where he was assured security would be present.
You're assuming that he was aware of security being present. He may have been guilty of poor intel gathering. Or he simply didn't care.
Semi-related: I take it this loser didn't leave anything in the way of a manifesto.
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I think I, and others, have pointed that out about 10 times in this thread. =)
If Mr. Trigger-happy was getting his ideas from that NYT article, it's interesting that he chose an event where he was assured security would be present.
But he didn't choose an event where security would be assured. Unless he had information that Scalise or Ryan would be there, he was pretty well secure in assuming that security would NOT be present. I didn't know Scalise was on the team ... and I didn't know that he rated a 24/7 security detail.
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You guys are missing something.
If Mr. Trigger-happy was getting his ideas from that NYT article, it's interesting that he chose an event where he was assured security would be present.
I'm talking about the notion that he was informed by the NYT article, which some have claimed. The article said there was security at the practices. It didn't say anything about leadership being there.
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Up until this incident, I had no idea that any member of Congress had a security detail at any time. Other then the law enforcement stationed inside the legislative chambers and office buildings.
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The home page for the Bing search engine has multiple tabs at the bottom of the page, linking to featured news stories. For the past couple of days they've had Bruce Jenner's photo on the first page, due to his comments on the assassination attempt. Notably absent? Any stories about the victims still in critical or serious condition, the police who responded, the would-be assassin, or the extremist "liberal" rhetoric that fed his rage. No, the slightly impolite comment about "liberals" is apparently the thing worth talking about right now.
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I'm talking about the notion that he was informed by the NYT article, which some have claimed. The article said there was security at the practices. It didn't say anything about leadership being there.
"Security" can mean a pretty wide range of things, especially where politicians are concerned, from a squad of Marines at each potential approach down to one off-duty, near-retirement cop. For a baseball practice, I'd have guessed maybe doubled up on the latter, which is pretty much what "plainclothes Capitol Police in a black SUV" sounds like. (For real protection, you're not going to have two guys both sitting in one vehicle, where they can only cover a single approach.)
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The home page for the Bing search engine has multiple tabs at the bottom of the page, linking to featured news stories. For the past couple of days they've had Bruce Jenner's photo on the first page, due to his comments on the assassination attempt. Notably absent? Any stories about the victims still in critical or serious condition, the police who responded, the would-be assassin, or the extremist "liberal" rhetoric that fed his rage. No, the slightly impolite comment about "liberals" is apparently the thing worth talking about right now.
There hasn't been much about Scalise or the wounded officer even on Drudge. It seems the entire media universe has declared a moratorium on mentioning it.
Probably because they (the media) are disappointed that the only person killed was the shooter.
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There hasn't been much about Scalise or the wounded officer even on Drudge. It seems the entire media universe has declared a moratorium on mentioning it.
Probably because they (the media) are disappointed that the only person killed was the shooter.
I thought it was because the shooter didn't have a Make America Great Again tattoo.
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Simple reason for that.
They're no longer bleeding, so they're no longer leading.
In today's media, it only leads if it bleeds.
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Info on the guns used, and how they were (legally) obtained (in Illinois, no less).
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/448818/fbi-report-alexandria-quietly-debunks-gun-controlers-talking-points
The investigation thus far determined that Hodgkinson purchased his SKS 7.62mm caliber rifle in March 2003 and 9mm handgun in November 2016 legally through federal firearms licensees. The investigation has determined that there were cartridges found to be chambered in the SKS rifle and the FBI’s Evidence Response Team found 9mm and 7.62mm shell casings on scene. The SKS rifle was modified to accept a detachable magazine and the original stock was replaced with a folding stock.
Which prompted one of the more reasonable, and thoughtful among our betters to respond thus:
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/06/21/gun-grabbing-ghoul-david-frum-sinks-to-twisted-new-low-to-slime-charles-c-w-cooke-on-alexandria/
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The forgot to mention the 24 Hour wait for long guns here in the PDRI. (72 hour wait for handguns). Yes, that's after you've passed the background check.
Plus the background check (and wait) to get your FOID card. (3-9 months).
And exactly what new law would have stopped this ??
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The investigation thus far determined that Hodgkinson purchased his SKS 7.62mm caliber rifle in March 2003 and 9mm handgun in November 2016 legally through federal firearms licensees. The investigation has determined that there were cartridges found to be chambered in the SKS rifle and the FBI’s Evidence Response Team found 9mm and 7.62mm shell casings on scene. The SKS rifle was modified to accept a detachable magazine and the original stock was replaced with a folding stock.
So did he also shoot his pistol? I thought it was just the SKS. ???
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Could the 9mm's be from the good guys?
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That's what I originally thought. But the quoted part makes it sound like they were his, I figured it was just bad wording. Then reading the article and reading the FBI report linked in the article it said, "is believed to have exited his vehicle with two weapons, a 7.62mm caliber SKS rifle and a 9mm handgun, for which he had a holster on his person"
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Once the officers engaged him, he may have transitioned to his handgun when he emtied a magazine in the SKS.
Or ... he may have used the 9mm to take his own life. Whether they were using 9mms or .40s, it's unlikely the two officers were able to get close enough to make killing shots, unless one of them got really lucky. It would not surprise me if it eventually comes out that the shooter ended by shooting himself. It would fit a very typical pattern.
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Whether they were using 9mms or .40s, it's unlikely the two officers were able to get close enough to make killing shots, unless one of them got really lucky.
Are you saying the police didn't fire their weapons? ???
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Once the officers engaged him, he may have transitioned to his handgun when he emtied a magazine in the SKS.
Or ... he may have used the 9mm to take his own life. Whether they were using 9mms or .40s, it's unlikely the two officers were able to get close enough to make killing shots, unless one of them got really lucky. It would not surprise me if it eventually comes out that the shooter ended by shooting himself. It would fit a very typical pattern.
9mm will kill you dead at well past 100 yards.
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Scalise is back in the ICU.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steve-scalise-readmitted-to-intensive-care-unit-amid-infection-concerns-in-serious-condition/article/2627845
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Scalise is back in the ICU.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steve-scalise-readmitted-to-intensive-care-unit-amid-infection-concerns-in-serious-condition/article/2627845
Dammit. Hospital-acquired infections can be really bad.
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Dammit. Hospital-acquired infections can be really bad.
Among the musings about what the future will find horrifying about this times' medical practices is the warehousing of all the sick people into one building.
I pray Mr. Scalise will pull through this, too.
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Are you saying the police didn't fire their weapons? ???
Just noticed this.
No, I was suggesting that the officers were probably too far away for handguns to have been very effective and that, IF one of them managed to score a killing or disabling shot on the perp, it was likely due more to luck than skill. On the other hand, once the perp came under return fire from two officers, and probably heard multiple sirens from additional responding units, he may well have decided to end it by shooting himself with his own handgun.
It's not like that would have been unprecedented.