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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: RoadKingLarry on February 08, 2010, 04:06:48 PM
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While I despised the man's politics and I think he was about as corrupt as they came I respect his service.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...p-murtha-dead/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...p-murtha-dead/)
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Murtha enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1952 and became a drill instructor at Parris Island. He served in Korea and received a Bronze Star and Two Purple Hearts for his service in Vietnam. He continued to be a member of the Marine Corps Reserves until he resigned as a colonel in 1990
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A hint of scandal lingered over much of Murtha's career. The FBI named Murtha an "unindicted co-conspirator" in its ABSCAM sting operation in the late 1970s and early '80s. ABSCAM resulted in the conviction of five House members and one senator. The FBI recorded Murtha on videotape declining a $50,000 bribe from federal agents posing as Arab sheiks. But the congressman did say he could be interested in future dealings.
So long to the King of Pork
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Frankly, all I'm interested in is him getting replaced with someone who knows to step back from Health Care and Amnesty.
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I will plop the warning down right now: Grave dancing will not be tolerated.
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Larry. Gloating over his death is not very polite.
He was an Eagle Scout, a Marine that worked his way up through the ranks, combat vet, small business owner, etc. The worst scandal you cited, to prove he was such a horrible person, was him declining a bribe and testifying against people that did accept bribes. In other words, not breaking the law.
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I didn't consider my comments as gloating over his death. Unless you are refereing to the "King of Pork" bit, I've heard from several sources that he was kind of proud of that label.
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How will his seat be filled? Election, appointment?
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Not sure, but I'd guess they'd leave it empty until the November elections. Might be possible to get a temp appointment though. Depends on PA law.
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How will his seat be filled? Election, appointment?
The governor has ten days once the vacancy is officially declared to decide on the date for the special election, which can come no sooner than 60 days following that proclamation.
That likely means the special election will be held on May 18
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The governor has ten days once the vacancy is officially declared to decide on the date for the special election, which can come no sooner than 60 days following that proclamation.
That likely means the special election will be held on May 18
What better anniversary present to get another person in Congress with a clue. But then again since it is the anniversary of my wedding it doesn't look good for our side. =D
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All I will say is "I hope he knew Jesus."
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The worst scandal you cited, to prove he was such a horrible person, was him declining a bribe and testifying against people that did accept bribes. In other words, not breaking the law.
I tend to think his pre-judging of certain troops accused of rape is more damning. That's pretty ugly behavior for a man in his position.
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I won't dance on his grave (it's too far away) but I'll bet there are some Marines who will.
I shall not weep for the loss of Progressive parasites (of any party) who are doing their best to destroy our Constitution and the American way of life.
I hope he finds his peace.
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I'll honor the man for his military service to this country, nothing more.
May the Lord comfort his family.
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I'll not celebrate his life, but I'll offer my prayers for comfort to his family.....
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I tend to think his pre-judging of certain troops accused of rape is more damning. That's pretty ugly behavior for a man in his position.
He ended up get sued for refusing to retract his public judgment of those troops. While he had the right to disagree with our involvement in Iraq, putting our soldiers on trial in the media was NOT his shining moment in history.
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I once again simply quote Mark Twain:
I've never killed a man, but I've read many an obituary with a great deal of satisfaction.
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I wonder if Johnstown PA will get the HumVee replacement contract.
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May John and Edward have many pleasant journies over many bridges in the afterlife.
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By all accounts John Murtha served his country honorably while he was active-duty military.
Period.
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Didn't he help squash a couple of anti-gun amendments in the last year?
I didn't like his politics, but I hope he is in a better place now.
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While I despised the man's politics and I think he was about as corrupt as they came I respect his service.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...p-murtha-dead/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...p-murtha-dead/)
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So long to the King of Pork
Service? He slandered six US Marines, worse, he did so at wartime, in a way that ensured(for leftist political gain)the highest possible "shock" value guaranteed to spark violent reprisals against our troops in the field!
His service was to himself....
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Marine, served in two wars, Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts... and he gets taken out by a botched surgery.
That ain't right.
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Question for the PA residents: who is likely to campaign for his seat? Anyone pro-gun, anti-healthcare bill?
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Question for the PA residents: who is likely to campaign for his seat? Anyone pro-gun, anti-healthcare bill?
I'd start looking here: http://www.pagunrights.com/2010/02/the-future-of-pa-12-for-gun-owners/
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and he gets taken out by a botched surgery.
Lets see, the Dem's used Kennedy's death as a push for health reform. Wonder if they will use Murtha's for the same reason.
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Question for the PA residents: who is likely to campaign for his seat? Anyone pro-gun, anti-healthcare bill?
Dunno about the anti-Obamacare, but
Mark Singel – Previously A- rated in 1990, though his final NRA rating could not be quickly located.
Sen. John Wozniak – A rated
Sen. Richard Kasunic – A+ rated
Ron Mackell Jr. – unknown
Ryan Buccianeri – unknown
Bracken Burns – unknown
Vince Zapotosky – unknown
Republican
Bill Russell – A rated
Sen. Kim Ward – A rated
Rep. Dave Reed – A rated
Rep. Jeff Pyle – A+ rated
Diana Irey – A rated
Tim Burns – unknown
Of the known individuals, you have your worst candidate being A-. I'm highly annoyed. Only ONE A+ candidate per party. Darn it, this is PA. My candidates should not be arguing for or against gun control, but rather which one has the most impressive collection of weaponry and will do the best job at smiting the Brady Bunch. Which would be the guy that's running for mayor next term. He collects artillery pieces. Honestly, I could care less about any other platform the guy takes. If he thinks everyone should have an M198 155mm howitzer, that's good enough for me.
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If he thinks everyone should have an M198 155mm howitzer, that's good enough for me.
So they're against everyone owning M109's ?? Self Propelled Artillery is a Basic Human Right !!
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So they're against everyone owning M109's ?? Self Propelled Artillery is a Basic Human Right !!
Probably banned on the grounds that if I had an SP gun other people would be getting their basic human rights oppressed. 155 really does re-define "neighbor." =D
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So they're against everyone owning M109's ?? Self Propelled Artillery is a Basic Human Right !!
Is it? I have yet to see ONE Oleg poster regarding the matter! Correct that and we can talk the matter over. Until then, you have NOTHING to stand on.
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You know.. a real man would have an M110 203mm SP howitzer, none of that sissy 155mm stuff.
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I just want an RPG with some practice rockets. =(
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You know.. a real man would have an M110 203mm SP howitzer, none of that sissy 155mm stuff.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biocrawler.com%2Fw%2Fimages%2F5%2F52%2FMLRS_missile_launcher.jpg&hash=25e8b04f3ed0c63d0f9ef3fa6660c4256a87b425)
http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/5/52/MLRS_missile_launcher.jpg (http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/5/52/MLRS_missile_launcher.jpg)
The sound and the fury..... :cool:
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Marine, served in two wars, Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts... and he gets taken out by a botched surgery.
That ain't right.
Nah, it was Karma.
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http://www.tribune-democrat.com/local/local_story_040004020.html
Filling the vacancy ‘a complicated situation’
By MIKE FAHER and SANDRA K. REABUCK
The death of U.S. Rep. John Murtha will set off a flurry of political activity, including a special election to fill the 12th Congressional District seat.
But it was unclear on Monday when that election will happen, as party leaders and Gov. Ed Rendell struggled to come to terms with the death of a colleague.
“I haven’t had time to look at this at all,” Rendell said Monday afternoon in a conference call with reporters.
It will be up to Rendell to set a special election in which voters would choose someone to serve the remainder of the Johnstown Democrat’s unexpired term, which runs through the end of the year.
Citing cost concerns, Rendell said he was unsure whether such an election should be held before the May primary. The governor also said he would solicit input from congressional leaders.
But he declined to speculate further, saying “this is not the day for that.”
The process of selecting one Republican and one Democrat for a special election would begin in the 12th Congressional District Murtha had represented for 36 years.
Mary Isenhour, executive director of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party, said Democratic committee members within the district would make a recommendation to the state committee’s executive board.
That board chooses a Democratic candidate.
The process works a little differently on the GOP side. Michael Barley, spokesman for the Republican Party of Pennsylvania, said a candidate for the special election would be chosen at a meeting of Republican representatives from within the 12th district.
At that meeting, prospective candidates will make their case to “conferees” representing each county in the district.
“(Potential candidates) come and present why they think they should run and answer questions from the conferees,” Barley said. “Whoever is nominated at that meeting is the candidate.”
Aside from the special election process, there’s also this year’s regularly scheduled primary and general elections that will determine who takes the 12th Congressional District seat in January 2011.
Murtha had intended to run again. Two
Republicans and two Democrats had said they would challenge. But the longtime lawmaker’s death likely will bring many additional contenders from both parties for the May 18 primary election.
For the most part, Murtha had easily defeated all comers throughout his career. Now, the field will be wide open in a district that spreads all the way to the state’s southwest corner.
“They will be coming out of the woodwork,” said Ed Cernic Sr. of West Taylor Township, a Democrat and political insider who has supported candidates of both parties.
However, Fred R. Smith, Cambria County election supervisor, cautioned that the cost of a congressional election could discourage some potential candidates.
“Even when Mr. Murtha had no primary challenge, he still spent $350,000,” Smith said.
Robert A. Gleason Jr., the Cambria County and state Republican chairman, agreed that economics could dampen the field.
“It may be daunting,” Gleason said. “It could cost $1.5 million to run. We will probably have a special election and a general election, so it could cause a lot of confusion and difficulty.”
Gleason added that a lot of people “who have been waiting in the wings to run and not wanting to run against Murtha will run in the primary and seek the special election nomination.”
Helen Whiteford, Cambria County Democratic chairwoman, said Murtha “represented the entire district, not just Cambria County. He had lot of broad-based support, including labor.”
County Democrats, she said, will be looking for a candidate who can deliver for the district as Murtha has done through the years.
No matter which candidates wind up seeking the office in the special, primary and general
elections, there is no doubt that there will be
plenty of political campaigning in the coming months.
“It will be a complicated situation,” said U.S. Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Hollidaysburg.
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the news this morning mentioned Mrs. Murtha might run for the seat.
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Be Advised: I have NOT gone to the links sited nor re-checked Snopes, so take this for what it's worth. Just a counterpoint to Jack's Purple hearts and distinguished service. Not being a vet, I have the utmost respect for our military, but I have no illusions that some easily manipulate the system for their own goals. Blame it on the fact that I'm currently reading Stephen Hunter's Time to Hunt.
An e-mail I received last evening:
> > The following was written by Robert "Bud" MacFarlane...U.S. Marine
> > Artilleryman extraordinare and National Security Advisor to President
> > Reagan. To dispel any confusion on the part of the "Not So Old Breed" of
> > Marines, Bud's otherwise totally accurate piece contains one inaccuracy.
> > Murtha was a regimental, not battalion S-2. My source on that one is my
> > brother who commanded G/2/1 when Murtha was the S-2, 1st Marines. One can
> > understand how an infantry battalion S-2 might have picked up a wound or
> > two but it's more than a little difficult to understand how a Regimental S-2
> > could have gotten two while hanging around the regimental command post
> > most days.
> >
> > JDL
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> >
> > Subject: THOUGHTS ON JACK MURTHA
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> > In his Meditation XVII, known to most of us as No Man Is An Island, John
> > Donne opined that any man's death diminishes us all. As Mr. Donne preceded
> > Jack Murtha by nearly four centuries he can be forgiven the broadness of
> > this statement.
> >
> > Congressman Jack Murtha was a profoundly destructive force in American
> > politics. His legislative efforts were limited to lining the pockets of
> > himself, his family, and assorted cronies. For all of his woofing about
> > being sympathetic to the men and women of the Armed Forces he did not
> > author a single piece of legislation in his career which did anything other than
> > milk the Department of Defense for money.
> >
> > Murtha did lead a charmed life. In Vietnam, as seems de rigeur among
> > Democrat politicians who served there, he managed to acquire two Purple
> > Hearts without spending a single day in the hospital.
> > http://sweetness-light.com/archive/murthas-purple-hearts-questioned
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> > Likewise, he picked up a Bronze Star with V device as a battalion
> > intelligence officer.
> > As a member of Congress he was up to his eyeballs selling his influence to
> > all comers and was captured on video by the FBI.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam
> > For reasons that have never been real clear, Murtha was allowed to skate
> > while he testified against two colleagues.
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> > One would say that the real shame of Murtha's congressional tenure took
> > place in the past 6 years when he attempted to burnish his anti-war
> > credentials for a run at a congressional leadership position at the
> > expense of the men and women engaged in combat. He publicly declared the Marines
> > charged with murder in connection with alleged killings at Haditha were
> > guilty (they have since been acquitted or the charges have been dropped)
> > and he described General David Petraeus as a political hack.
> > http://archive.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/democrats/jack_murtha_is_a_d
> > elusional_windbag
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> > All respect to Mr. Donne, none of us are diminished by the death of Jack
> > Murtha. He was a man of few if any redeeming public attributes, he
> > pillaged the treasury to enrich himself, he tarnished the reputation of good men,
> > and he was a blight on the body politic. The nation is better off, not for his
> > death but for his absence from its political life.
> >
> >
With All Due Respect.
Bob
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Hasn't made its way to snopes yet.
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> > For reasons that have never been real clear, Murtha was allowed to skate
> > while he testified against two colleagues.
Because he never took a bribe. It's not rocket science. Heck, it's right there in the Wikipedia link sent along with the email.
> > One would say that the real shame of Murtha's congressional tenure took
> > place in the past 6 years when he attempted to burnish his anti-war
> > credentials for a run at a congressional leadership position at the
> > expense of the men and women engaged in combat. He publicly declared the Marines
> > charged with murder in connection with alleged killings at Haditha were
> > guilty (they have since been acquitted or the charges have been dropped)
Actually one of them is still up on 9 charges.
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[Because he never took a bribe. /b] i've watched the tape all he did was differ it till he'd done something for em. and he still was obligated to report the attempted bribe. he forgot to
and don't expect Wuterich to get convicted he might not even make it to trial.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/article_a6804420-f820-559f-b872-c4257412f24c.html
the prosecution is desperate. and since all the others have been cleared unless Wuterich managed to go rambo and kill everyone single handed the prosecution should say sorry and go home quietly. murtha woulda been wise to do the same.