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Will Al Gore Melt?
« on: January 21, 2007, 04:41:56 AM »
Great piece from the WSJ.  You may recognize the name of one of the writers and the newspaper for which he works.  Some of you may even recognize the other writer's name.  I know of his book but not too much about him.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009552

Will Al Gore Melt?
If not, why did he chicken out on an interview?

BY FLEMMING ROSE AND BJORN LOMBORG
Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST

Al Gore is traveling around the world telling us how we must fundamentally change our civilization due to the threat of global warming. Last week he was in Denmark to disseminate this message. But if we are to embark on the costliest political project ever, maybe we should make sure it rests on solid ground. It should be based on the best facts, not just the convenient ones. This was the background for the biggest Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, to set up an investigative interview with Mr. Gore. And for this, the paper thought it would be obvious to team up with Bjorn Lomborg, author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist," who has provided one of the clearest counterpoints to Mr. Gore's tune.

The interview had been scheduled for months. The day before the interview Mr. Gore's agent thought Gore-meets-Lomborg would be great. Yet an hour later, he came back to tell us that Bjorn Lomborg should be excluded from the interview because he's been very critical of Mr. Gore's message about global warming and has questioned Mr. Gore's evenhandedness. According to the agent, Mr. Gore only wanted to have questions about his book and documentary, and only asked by a reporter. These conditions were immediately accepted by Jyllands-Posten. Yet an hour later we received an email from the agent saying that the interview was now cancelled. What happened?

One can only speculate. But if we are to follow Mr. Gore's suggestions of radically changing our way of life, the costs are not trivial. If we slowly change our greenhouse gas emissions over the coming century, the U.N. actually estimates that we will live in a warmer but immensely richer world. However, the U.N. Climate Panel suggests that if we follow Al Gore's path down toward an environmentally obsessed society, it will have big consequences for the world, not least its poor. In the year 2100, Mr. Gore will have left the average person 30% poorer, and thus less able to handle many of the problems we will face, climate change or no climate change.

Clearly we need to ask hard questions. Is Mr. Gore's world a worthwhile sacrifice? But it seems that critical questions are out of the question. It would have been great to ask him why he only talks about a sea-level rise of 20 feet. In his movie he shows scary sequences of 20-feet flooding Florida, San Francisco, New York, Holland, Calcutta, Beijing and Shanghai. But were realistic levels not dramatic enough? The U.N. climate panel expects only a foot of sea-level rise over this century. Moreover, sea levels actually climbed that much over the past 150 years. Does Mr. Gore find it balanced to exaggerate the best scientific knowledge available by a factor of 20?

Mr. Gore says that global warming will increase malaria and highlights Nairobi as his key case. According to him, Nairobi was founded right where it was too cold for malaria to occur. However, with global warming advancing, he tells us that malaria is now appearing in the city. Yet this is quite contrary to the World Health Organization's finding. Today Nairobi is considered free of malaria, but in the 1920s and '30s, when temperatures were lower than today, malaria epidemics occurred regularly. Mr. Gore's is a convenient story, but isn't it against the facts?

He considers Antarctica the canary in the mine, but again doesn't tell the full story. He presents pictures from the 2% of Antarctica that is dramatically warming and ignores the 98% that has largely cooled over the past 35 years. The U.N. panel estimates that Antarctica will actually increase its snow mass this century. Similarly, Mr. Gore points to shrinking sea ice in the Northern Hemisphere, but don't mention that sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere is increasing. Shouldn't we hear those facts? Mr. Gore talks about how the higher temperatures of global warming kill people. He specifically mentions how the European heat wave of 2003 killed 35,000. But he entirely leaves out how global warming also means less cold and saves lives. Moreover, the avoided cold deaths far outweigh the number of heat deaths. For the U.K. it is estimated that 2,000 more will die from global warming. But at the same time 20,000 fewer will die of cold. Why does Mr. Gore tell only one side of the story?

Al Gore is on a mission. If he has his way, we could end up choosing a future, based on dubious claims, that could cost us, according to a U.N. estimate, $553 trillion over this century. Getting answers to hard questions is not an unreasonable expectation before we take his project seriously. It is crucial that we make the right decisions posed by the challenge of global warming. These are best achieved through open debate, and we invite him to take the time to answer our questions: We are ready to interview you any time, Mr. Gore--and anywhere.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 05:13:15 AM »
Ecojunkies have many silly dreams. Most of them are completely impractical and have no chance of being implemented.

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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 05:17:14 AM »
How can we square this timidity with Gore's lunatic rants?  As angry as he is, shouldn't he be eager to take on all comers?   rolleyes
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 05:59:24 AM »
The one thing leftist extremists can never stand is to be confronted by plain old-fashioned facts.

As for Liar Gore, I think it's safe to say he melted a long, long time ago, and simply isn't bright enough to have noticed the obvious. If he chooses to make a still greater public fool of himself by ranting and raving about imaginary "global warming" supposedly caused by Homo sapiens, so be it: the more he discredits that socialist cause, the better.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 06:44:11 AM »
Just think, he was almost President of the United States.  Smiley

It also underscores, to me at least, that modern environmentalists are socialists/communists at heart. 
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 07:44:02 AM »
Most environmentalists I have met are watermellons. Green on the outside, red on the inside.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 08:46:57 AM »
Just think, he was almost President of the United States.  Smiley

It also underscores, to me at least, that modern environmentalists are socialists/communists at heart. 

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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 09:01:10 AM »
People like Gore want to take away our cars, 4wd pickups, guns, red meat, and warm houses - while he and his friends continue to live in mansions, ride around in armored SUVs, and fly around the world on a whim in their private jets  rolleyes

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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 09:18:08 AM »
We scoff, but millions around the world take him very seriously.
I used to be on a forum that had many Irish/English on it
but I had to leave because there is no reasonable debate with them.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2007, 10:05:28 AM »
We scoff, but millions around the world take him very seriously.
I used to be on a forum that had many Irish/English on it
but I had to leave because there is no reasonable debate with them.
If you question liberal authority you are automatically a right wing loon.
Even if you spent half your life being a liberal.

There is very little reasonable debate about this subject on either side. Most just aren't listening to what they don't want to listen to, and the rest are pronouncing their 'theories' on subjects about which they understand little or nothing.

Happens here, happens on your other forum too.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2007, 10:30:08 AM »
Socialists are always in the middle of their journey.

Global warming is just another train to hop on to Communism.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2007, 01:03:28 PM »
People like Gore want to take away our cars, 4wd pickups, guns, red meat, and warm houses - while he and his friends continue to live in mansions, ride around in armored SUVs, and fly around the world on a whim in their private jets  rolleyes

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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2007, 01:37:15 PM »
Al should just chill out (sorry, couldn't resist).  He's made a large ship load of money thanks to his Google options.  He has no need of a day job.  Just take it easy and get some medical assistance.  The man is overly wrought for what?  Something neither he nor anyone else can do anything about.

Al, go on a trip or something.  Try fly fishing.  I hear it does wonders for the ol' head.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2007, 06:03:16 PM »
Only if you throw water on him........




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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2007, 06:21:30 PM »
We scoff, but millions around the world take him very seriously.
I used to be on a forum that had many Irish/English on it
but I had to leave because there is no reasonable debate with them.
If you question liberal authority you are automatically a right wing loon.
Even if you spent half your life being a liberal.

I would say "Billions". Of the educated people in the world surely more than half. That isn't to say he's right. "Educated", "smart" or even "very smart" still does not make one right.

There are plenty of reasonable English/Irish and even Europeans out there...members of our own forums are proof of it. Sadly for them, they're mocked and despised as the manure-tracking New Hampshire dairy farmer who shows up at the Rhode-Island country club by their own countrymen, and have too much self respect and patriotism to allow themselves to be spit on for their nationality in the Qebecois roadhouse they'd otherwise be more comfortable in, and so have to choose between having their integrity injured by the snobbish or their face injured by the ignorant.

P.s. For an example, 'Twas a Fin (not a Huck, either) who first showed me the proper example of an extraordinarily rare occurence in internet parlance...humility and the ability to be corrected. No great shakes on my part...I simply showed him some facts and figures that brought him from a "moderate" anti (on guns) to a "moderate" (at least intellectually speaking) "pro" on guns, but it was after reflection upon what I thought of him for having the integrity to say "You know, I guess I was wrong on that" that I first found a little flexibility in the spine of my own pride.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2007, 08:56:59 PM »
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I would say "Billions". Of the educated people in the world surely more than half. That isn't to say he's right. "Educated", "smart" or even "very smart" still does not make one right.

Most people belived the world was flat at one time as well, didnt make it right then doesnt make it right now. People will for the most part belive what they are told by the media, and powerful people without question. Back in the 1970s there was a big fuss over temprature change and possible climate crisis. The difference was scientist were in fear of global cooling. They actually predicted that by the 1980s over a third of the worlds population would face starvation due to poor crop yields caused by a shorter growing season. They actually talked at the time about spreading a layer of black soot over ice caps to draw in solar heat and melt them. Fossil records have proven that the Earth goes through periodic climate shifts . I will not argue that mankind is doing a good job of destroying our enviroment and changes need to happen, but I have always found the argument that were the cause of global warming laughable.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2007, 09:11:03 PM »
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Happens here, happens on your other forum too.

No, really, we have disagreements here, on that other forum
I simply asked how did the the last ice age end, thats how I found
out what a WUM is.

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everyone everywhere too.
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Re: Will Al Gore Melt?
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2007, 11:42:52 PM »
Back in the 1970s there was a big fuss over temprature change and possible climate crisis. The difference was scientist were in fear of global cooling...

RealClimate - The Global Cooling Myth

RealClimate - Global Cooling Again

(This is going to happen a lot. Every time someone comes out with something they heard somewhere about global warming I'm going to throw out a link to realclimate or somewhere else. Not because I'm saying that realclimate is the definitive source of all knowledge and truth, but because realclimate is written by climate scientists presents the alternative viewpoint. Not necessarily a viewpoint I subscribe to, but one that most who want to contribute anything of substance to this debate should be a least well versed in)
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