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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2020, 05:36:54 PM »
Looks like a Saturn V taking a lightning strike.  Apollo 12?

Yep
They were struck twice during launch
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2020, 05:51:47 PM »
Good read on the strikes

More than SCE to AUX - Apollo 12 Lightning Strike Incident
https://history.nasa.gov/afj/ap12fj/a12-lightningstrike.html
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2020, 09:34:51 PM »
I do find it curious that the launch and flight is planned (constricted?) to the point that there is literally no window, while watching the live stream it became pretty apparent that it's go at go time down to the second or not at all.

I wonder if this is more operational choice or if it's strictly a matter of physics and capabilities? Does the spacecraft and mission have the ability to calculate alternate burns and what not to still make a proper rendezvous if the launch happens ten minutes later (as alluded to on the stream, the weather probably would've allowed for given another ten or 15 minutes)? Or is it simply not an option within the spacecrafts abilities? I'm obviously no rocket scientist or judge, just a legitimate curiosity.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2020, 09:39:06 PM »
I do find it curious that the launch and flight is planned (constricted?) to the point that there is literally no window, while watching the live stream it became pretty apparent that it's go at go time down to the second or not at all.

I wonder if this is more operational choice or if it's strictly a matter of physics and capabilities? Does the spacecraft and mission have the ability to calculate alternate burns and what not to still make a proper rendezvous if the launch happens ten minutes later (as alluded to on the stream, the weather probably would've allowed for given another ten or 15 minutes)? Or is it simply not an option within the spacecrafts abilities? I'm obviously no rocket scientist or judge, just a legitimate curiosity.

They talked about that during the livestream.  Basically, the rocket doesn't have the extra fuel to do it.  As the LOX heats up, it loses performance, which means more fuel is needed.  As the flight is delayed, the Space Station gets farther away, which means more fuel is needed.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2020, 10:54:32 PM »
Seems like that's cutting it a bit closer than I'd be comfortable with.  Just enough fuel to make it there - with nothing left over? 

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2020, 11:21:06 PM »
Once they hit orbit they have a window but how wide it is we might never know. I'm sure they have enough to get back home if it goes tits up.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2020, 12:17:41 AM »
Seems like that's cutting it a bit closer than I'd be comfortable with.  Just enough fuel to make it there - with nothing left over? 

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2020, 06:06:28 AM »
Seems like that's cutting it a bit closer than I'd be comfortable with.  Just enough fuel to make it there - with nothing left over? 

Their default is to reenter so there's no extra danger to only have enough, but it does seem to make their window pretty narrow.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2020, 06:21:15 AM »
Keep in mind that when used in either return to launch site or drone ship landing modes (as this launch is intended) the first stage must maintain enough fuel after separation  to land itself.  The window is smaller because they have To reserve that thrust. If they wanted to go full expendable mode then I bet they could have a wider window.

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2020, 07:10:02 AM »
Seems like that's cutting it a bit closer than I'd be comfortable with.  Just enough fuel to make it there - with nothing left over? 

What Cordex said, plus, extra fuel = extra weight = less payload.

Smarter Every Day on youtube had some info about giving up fuel/rocket weight to gain payload weight.  Interesting stuff.

I think the info is in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0fG_lnVhHw  It is long, but very interesting, even to a layman.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2020, 08:18:24 AM »
This is also an and to end flight test. They may be testing some set of variables that lock them into this particular orbital insertion.

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2020, 01:36:32 PM »
There appear to have been a few updates to the User Interface for spacecraft:



I'm frankly amazed that SpaceX has managed to stick to such a clean futuristic industrial design aesthetic inside the Dragon capsule. I kind of assumed that after seeing the mockups, the realities of design and man-rating would force them to have more exposed pipes, levers, and various greeblies around the cabin. Not so apparently.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2020, 02:05:10 PM »
I'm frankly amazed that SpaceX has managed to stick to such a clean futuristic industrial design aesthetic inside the Dragon capsule. I kind of assumed that after seeing the mockups, the realities of design and man-rating would force them to have more exposed pipes, levers, and various greeblies around the cabin. Not so apparently.

Somewhere around T-35m before the scrub the guy on board pulled his feet out of the stirrups and stretched his legs followed by scratching his left shoulder with his right hand.  My he first thought was "couldn't do that in the shuttle!"

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2020, 02:32:13 PM »
So in the event of manual maneuvers, does the crew fly the Crew Dragon with a joystick, or is it tapping on a touchscreen?
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2020, 02:46:07 PM »
So in the event of manual maneuvers, does the crew fly the Crew Dragon with a joystick, or is it tapping on a touchscreen?

Tappy Tap Tap.

This simulator is the actual interface:  https://iss-sim.spacex.com/  If you click on the link in the blurb before yous start the sim, there's a video of someone in a Dragon using the controls.  There does seem to be a physical button to engage the control interface.

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2020, 03:50:45 PM »
And while there are full on manual overrides, a big point is being made that it really is basically autonomous. Which makes sense I suppose considering the spacecraft has cargo only variants.

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2020, 04:09:59 PM »
I do find it curious that the launch and flight is planned (constricted?) to the point that there is literally no window, while watching the live stream it became pretty apparent that it's go at go time down to the second or not at all.

I wonder if this is more operational choice or if it's strictly a matter of physics and capabilities? Does the spacecraft and mission have the ability to calculate alternate burns and what not to still make a proper rendezvous if the launch happens ten minutes later (as alluded to on the stream, the weather probably would've allowed for given another ten or 15 minutes)? Or is it simply not an option within the spacecrafts abilities? I'm obviously no rocket scientist or judge, just a legitimate curiosity.

Not so much a matter of fuel, as it is of orbital mechanics and safety.

Catching up to something in orbit means you have to go faster than it.  Going faster raises your orbit.  So now you're above it.  To match its elevation and its position in orbit, you'll be burning a lot of fuel.

Falcon's 2nd stage has enough fuel to deliver a cargo like Dragon all the way to a GTO orbit, way beyond LEO.  But it's a big engine and using it at even minimum thrust it can put out throws a lot of G's at those humans inside the capsule.  So the ideal solution is to use the hypergolic fuel in the Dragon for orbital maneuvering (the OMS engines on Dragon are called Dracos), and only have 2nd stage perform the orbital insertion from the point of booster MECO and final approximate orbital height/speed.  That's only a couple of minutes of burn time.

The second stage will be deorbited for this mission probably at least half full of fuel.  If the 2nd stage did perform OMS catch-up, it would also have to perform OMS de-acceleration.  That would be hours later, and keep in mind that Falcon 9 uses superchilled fuels.  These fuels get warmed in space, or cooled, depending on sun exposure.  The RP-1 can gel up on the night side, or get too warm on the sunny side.  Reliability of engine output goes down from ideal, and you're talking about trying to account for hundreds of meters per second of velocity difference between Dragon and ISS during rendezvous.  I think Dragon's full hypergolic load only provides about 400m/s delta-V.  Using that to slow down a capsule that was accelerated at the ISS by a 2nd stage is not an ideal situation.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2020, 01:49:20 PM »
Light this candle!
weather 50-50 for the 3:22 launch

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2020, 02:35:08 PM »
T -:49 minutes Still GO on weather.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2020, 02:57:52 PM »
Looking good. T-23m  [popcorn]

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2020, 03:18:01 PM »
5 min.  Looking good for today.

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2020, 03:28:55 PM »
WOOT!!!

I'm pretty geeked out.
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2020, 03:29:14 PM »
Better
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIZsnKGV8TE

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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2020, 03:33:05 PM »
First stage landed
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Re: Space X is going to try to launch people today
« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2020, 03:40:08 PM »
Orbit achieved, landing stuck, zero gee indicator positive.  Very slick.  :cool: