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Title: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Ben on October 06, 2014, 06:12:17 PM
What are they putting in the water in Seattle?

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#IndigenousPeoplesDay is about recognizing the atrocities committed by Columbus and his fellow colonizers.

http://twitchy.com/2014/10/06/recognizing-the-atrocities-seattle-demonstrators-urge-city-council-to-replace-columbus-day-photos/

Anyway, I guess no Indian ever tortured or killed a European ever? Never displaced or enslaved another tribe? Never came to the continent from elsewhere?

Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Balog on October 06, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
In all fairness, Columbus was an incompetent johnny come lately that had no idea where he was, and was a real dick when he got there. Of course we white wash the horros and atrocities committed by the tribes he encountered.

I think we should change it to Viking Explorer day, celebrate the real first European settlers.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: 230RN on October 06, 2014, 06:20:48 PM
I long ago decided that "Protected Classes" ("Minorities") don't want equality.

They want advantage.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Triphammer on October 06, 2014, 06:28:28 PM
 I've read  (where I don't recall) the Phoenicians were in N. America first. About a thousand years before the Vikings. Black Africans in S. America, according to recent discoveries, pre-date the Asians that are presumed to have crossed the Bering land bridge.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 06, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
So from now on, Columbus Day will be celebrated by lambasting Europeans for being mean to Native Americans. How will that be different than the way it's been celebrated the past ten years?
Title: Re: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: makattak on October 06, 2014, 10:23:33 PM
I'll have to look it up, but I think recent archaeology is pointing towards the ORIGINAL settlers from Asia being like the Ainu people of Japan who were displaced by the Indians when they came over. (Note: I use what the "indigenous peoples" prefer to be called.)
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Boomhauer on October 06, 2014, 10:26:29 PM
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who were displaced by the Indians when they came over

Indians? Dot or Feather? ???








Title: Re: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: makattak on October 06, 2014, 11:15:02 PM
Feather. They displaced the previous peoples here when they came over.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on October 06, 2014, 11:29:55 PM
I'll have to look it up, but I think recent archaeology is pointing towards the ORIGINAL settlers from Asia being like the Ainu people of Japan who were displaced by the Indians when they came over. (Note: I use what the "indigenous peoples" prefer to be called.)

That is my understanding as well


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Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Firethorn on October 07, 2014, 02:41:05 PM
In all fairness, Columbus was an incompetent johnny come lately that had no idea where he was, and was a real dick when he got there. Of course we white wash the horros and atrocities committed by the tribes he encountered.

I think we should change it to Viking Explorer day, celebrate the real first European settlers.  :rofl:

The latest I heard was that Marco Polo (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/did-marco-polo-discover-america-180952765/?no-ist) may have known about America, but was too busy hanging out in China to really tell anybody.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: roo_ster on October 07, 2014, 03:24:17 PM
I think I will wish everyone I meet a "Happy Columbus Day!" come Monday.

Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Balog on October 07, 2014, 04:15:24 PM
I need to write an indignant letter to the Seattle City Council pointing out the genocide of the Anasazi by the Apache and demanding they stop celebrating those murderers.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: TommyGunn on October 07, 2014, 07:32:17 PM
I need to write an indignant letter to the Seattle City Council pointing out the genocide of the Anasazi by the Apache and demanding they stop celebrating those murderers.
Where do I go to complain about the numerous atrocities of Ghenghis Kahn? [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: roo_ster on October 07, 2014, 09:39:46 PM
Where do I go to complain about the numerous atrocities of Ghenghis Kahn? [tinfoil]

My gripe is with Charlemagne.  That genocidal French/German/Dutch sacred-grove-destroying rat bastard.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 07, 2014, 10:00:09 PM
I'm a bit miffed about the whole Homo-sapiens pushing out the neanderthal thing.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Balog on October 07, 2014, 11:57:35 PM
My gripe is with Charlemagne.  That genocidal French/German/Dutch sacred-grove-destroying rat bastard.

Charles Martel. Vienna was the first hate crime.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: T.O.M. on October 08, 2014, 09:03:31 AM
My court cancelled Columbus Day observation a few years back.  Not for these kinds of reasons, but in trade for the day after Thanksgiving.  This crap is just political correctness...again.

Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Tallpine on October 08, 2014, 10:30:30 AM
My court cancelled Columbus Day observation a few years back.  Not for these kinds of reasons, but in trade for the day after Thanksgiving.  This crap is just political correctness...again.



Do you still celebrate Cinncinatti Day  ???

 :lol:
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: HankB on October 08, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
Wasn't Columbus original expedition financed by Hispanic money?

And weren't the indigenous peoples of Central and South America abused by other Hispanics, including Cortez, Pizzaro, et.al., who murdered them in large numbers, enslaved them, and looted their treasures?

Seems to me that Native Americans/Indians/Whatever have a pretty big historical beef with the Hispanic community . . . and with the co-mingling of bloodlines over the centuries, they really ought to hate (drum roll please) . . . themselves.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: T.O.M. on October 08, 2014, 04:03:54 PM
Do you still celebrate Cinncinatti Day  ???

 :lol:

I do when I get a chance to eat Skyline or Gold Star chilli, Graeter's Ice Cream, or Larosa's pizza.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 11, 2022, 11:18:41 AM
Thread necro: 

https://twitter.com/politicalsock/status/1579452835900829696

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On #IndigenousPeoplesDay, it is wise to remember the first enslavement of humans when Europeans met North Americans:

Cabeza de Vaca and the shipwrecked survivors of the Narvaez expedition were enslaved by native tribespeople in what is now known as Texas.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cabeza-de-vaca-discovers-texas

Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: WLJ on October 11, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
Thread necro: 

https://twitter.com/politicalsock/status/1579452835900829696

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cabeza-de-vaca-discovers-texas

Paypal has just pulled $2,500 from your account.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Ben on October 11, 2022, 11:26:20 AM
Since my OP in this thread, I have read a good half dozen biographies and autobiographies by trappers and other explorers from early-mid 1800s America. The stories of what the Indians did to whites, other tribes, and even animals, simply for their own amusement, will make you want to celebrate whatever the opposite of "indigenous people's day" is.

While white settlers are not blameless in the atrocities arena, Indians - including the women and children - did some pretty sick *expletive deleted*it.

On another note, the so-called "journalist" who tried to get a Target employee fired for not selling him a $100 toothbrush for $0.01, called child protective services on a woman who said she was celebrating Columbus Day with her young daughter. The claim was racism.

https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/10/10/target-toothbrush-loser-david-leavitt-ties-up-virginia-child-abuse-hotline-over-a-mothers-tweet-about-american-history/

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/10/11/draaag-him-tina-ramirez-comes-out-swinging-after-target-toothbrush-loser-david-leavitt-threatened-her-with-cps-over-a-tweet/
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: dogmush on October 11, 2022, 11:31:28 AM
Thread necro: 

https://twitter.com/politicalsock/status/1579452835900829696

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cabeza-de-vaca-discovers-texas

First enslavement of humans?
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: WLJ on October 11, 2022, 11:32:57 AM
First enslavement of humans?

Has to taken in context of "when Europeans met North Americans"

I did a double take on it at first.
Title: Re: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Pb on October 11, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
I'll have to look it up, but I think recent archaeology is pointing towards the ORIGINAL settlers from Asia being like the Ainu people of Japan who were displaced by the Indians when they came over. (Note: I use what the "indigenous peoples" prefer to be called.)

If I remember correctly- that idea came from the ancient skeleton of the Kennewick man, who looked kind of Ainu in his features.

DNA testing apparently demonstrated he was just a regular Indian though. 
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 11, 2022, 11:47:50 AM
Paypal has just pulled $2,500 from your account.

Good thing I don't have one.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: dogmush on October 11, 2022, 12:13:53 PM
Has to taken in context of "when Europeans met North Americans"

I did a double take on it at first.

It's not even that.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Tuco on October 11, 2022, 03:23:32 PM
Leif Ericsson day was Sunday, beating Columbus yet again.
I propose open enrollment for Norse self identification and all like minded individuals henceforth celebrating October 9.

edit - conjunction cleanup
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: MechAg94 on October 11, 2022, 03:34:33 PM
So do they think there were zero Clovis people left before the Asians came over?  Was South America settled when the Clovis people were in North America?

Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: HankB on October 11, 2022, 03:48:53 PM
The indigenous peoples were all friendly and good natured . . .

https://www.history.com/news/aztec-human-sacrifice-religion
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: MillCreek on March 05, 2023, 11:17:32 AM
https://www.iflscience.com/interactive-map-shows-which-indigenous-lands-you-are-living-on-65721?fbclid=IwAR0ZUrtHr8kjGB8BxZhvLEXd5orrCJMJmsukMq9yq7NTg40n6vorWfgtTlM


Now you can look to see who owned your land before it was violently stolen from them.  This will help you to know where to send the reparations check.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2023, 11:21:47 AM
https://www.iflscience.com/interactive-map-shows-which-indigenous-lands-you-are-living-on-65721?fbclid=IwAR0ZUrtHr8kjGB8BxZhvLEXd5orrCJMJmsukMq9yq7NTg40n6vorWfgtTlM


Now you can look to see who owned your land before it was violently stolen from them.  This will help you to know where to send the reparations check.

Interesting that it only seems to track the last known Indian tribes it was "taken" from, not the tribes that they took it from.  =)
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 05, 2023, 11:44:34 AM
That map shows basically three tribes covering all of New England. So how is it that Connecticut alone has reservations for four tribes (three federally-recognized), several other [alleged] tribes vieing for recognition, and none of them are the same as the several tribes in Maine, Massachusetts, or Rhode Island?
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: MillCreek on March 05, 2023, 12:34:12 PM
This is a map of the Coast Salish people: the tribes of lower British Columbia and western Washington.  I am in the Stillaguamish area and I support them by eating at the casino: they have a good brewpub with beer brewed on site.

(https://i0.wp.com/native-land.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/webaddress-on-Trello_Sources-1.jpg?fit=843%2C971&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: HankB on March 05, 2023, 02:14:18 PM
https://www.iflscience.com/interactive-map-shows-which-indigenous-lands-you-are-living-on-65721?fbclid=IwAR0ZUrtHr8kjGB8BxZhvLEXd5orrCJMJmsukMq9yq7NTg40n6vorWfgtTlM


Now you can look to see who owned your land before it was violently stolen from them.  This will help you to know where to send the reparations check.
The map shows FIVE different tribes all "owning" the land I'm on, including Comanche, Apache, Tonkawa, Jumanos, and Coahuiltecan. Never heard of the last two, but I didn't know that they all peacefully shared territories that way.
Title: Re: Columbus Day, No. Indigenous Peoples Day, Yes
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2023, 02:16:51 PM
So on what day do we celebrate when the natives freed their slaves?